Urethra Franklin
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Dec 19, 2016 14:30:45 GMT -5
Juice Robinson could be a good example of someone who found greener pastures after leaving the WWE for NJPW and has improved a ton as a result as well. Mark Jindrak is another guy. He's found really steady work in Mexico.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Dec 19, 2016 14:31:13 GMT -5
Has anyone ever left WWE and succeeded in the indies? I know it depends on what you classify as success. Obviously they will not make as much money. But they may go and win a title elsewhere, but is that title really worth more than a mid card WWE title? Even if you class TNA as an indy, many WWE start have left gone to TNA had instant titles or huge wins, but still all feel like consolation prizes. Can they make a living? Sure, but I bet in their heart of hearts they are disappointed they couldn't make it in WWE. Even someone like Cody Rhodes who asked for his release must still feel the frustration of never really getting over in WWE and feel like his career is somewhat of a failure. John Morrison Rey Mysterio
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Dec 19, 2016 14:49:14 GMT -5
Jack Swagger flopped when they gave him the WHC.Wasn't able to get anything but crickets despite working with Lawler,JR and Heel Cole,had one of the best workers on the roster as a tag team partner with Dolph and Vicki as a mouthpiece and couldn't get over. Given a liferaft again with Zeb as manager and Cesaro as a tag team partner and can't get anything but reactions to Zeb's catchphrase. Given a WHC title match at WM and f***ing gets a DUI as thanks in the build up. He is basically The Shining Stars x10 as far as repackagings and chances but even worse cause those 2 guys are at least safe in the ring. Given all the titles,time and effort WWE invested at him at various points it's hard to come up with a bigger flop then him this decade. Given his Amatuer background he is a disgrace to America and will flop in the Indies. Swagger е плакатът дете за глупав разглезено американски
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Post by evilone on Dec 19, 2016 14:59:36 GMT -5
Johnny Mundo is a big freakin deal these days. And he looks better than ever before.
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JoDaNa1281
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Dec 19, 2016 15:04:38 GMT -5
Has anyone ever left WWE and succeeded in the indies? I know it depends on what you classify as success. Obviously they will not make as much money. But they may go and win a title elsewhere, but is that title really worth more than a mid card WWE title? Even if you class TNA as an indy, many WWE start have left gone to TNA had instant titles or huge wins, but still all feel like consolation prizes. Can they make a living? Sure, but I bet in their heart of hearts they are disappointed they couldn't make it in WWE. Even someone like Cody Rhodes who asked for his release must still feel the frustration of never really getting over in WWE and feel like his career is somewhat of a failure. But Cody did get over in the WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 15:12:32 GMT -5
Maxine John Morrison PJ Black
Hell about 20% of the LU roster are folk that left WWE and have done much better for themselves specifically in said company and the indies.
Anyways IMO Fandango is either walking away or getting released next year and I see him reinventing himself because dude has all the potential and really has been able to make anything he is given work but none of that potential will really become anything as long as he settles for sitting on the WWE bench.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 19, 2016 15:15:38 GMT -5
Johnny Mundo is a big freakin deal these days. And he looks better than ever before. Yes he shook off that loss to Russell Madness like you wouldn't believe.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Dec 19, 2016 15:19:15 GMT -5
Juice Robinson could be a good example of someone who found greener pastures after leaving the WWE for NJPW and has improved a ton as a result as well. NJPW = indies!? Midcarder in NJPW = Big success!?
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Dec 19, 2016 15:20:40 GMT -5
Has anyone ever left WWE and succeeded in the indies? I know it depends on what you classify as success. Obviously they will not make as much money. But they may go and win a title elsewhere, but is that title really worth more than a mid card WWE title? Even if you class TNA as an indy, many WWE start have left gone to TNA had instant titles or huge wins, but still all feel like consolation prizes. Can they make a living? Sure, but I bet in their heart of hearts they are disappointed they couldn't make it in WWE. Even someone like Cody Rhodes who asked for his release must still feel the frustration of never really getting over in WWE and feel like his career is somewhat of a failure. Daniel Bryan in 2010 Besides that yeah you're right Cody competing regularly in front of 100 people is a huge improvement apparently
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Dang!
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Post by Dang! on Dec 19, 2016 15:32:24 GMT -5
Has anyone ever left WWE and succeeded in the indies? I know it depends on what you classify as success. Obviously they will not make as much money. But they may go and win a title elsewhere, but is that title really worth more than a mid card WWE title? Even if you class TNA as an indy, many WWE start have left gone to TNA had instant titles or huge wins, but still all feel like consolation prizes. Can they make a living? Sure, but I bet in their heart of hearts they are disappointed they couldn't make it in WWE. Even someone like Cody Rhodes who asked for his release must still feel the frustration of never really getting over in WWE and feel like his career is somewhat of a failure. I dunno. Christian and Matt Hardy have certainly pushed their careers further in TNA than they could have if they remained in the WWE undercard.
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percymania
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Post by percymania on Dec 19, 2016 16:00:02 GMT -5
The Young Bucks are showing people you CAN be successful and make tons of money outside the WWE umbrella. Cody Rhodes doesn't seem to be doing too bad for himself either. Also, the Hardys. With creative freedom and opportunities to set your own schedule I expect more guys are going to try that route in the near future. Ziggler is the first guy to come to my mind that might be willing to give it a go. Why continue working 300+ days a year with an insane travel schedule when you can cherry pick your dates instead AND sell your own merch? It's not like WWE midcarders are making millions of dollars. Sure there's risk involved, but there are enough wrestling promotions out there that guys can still make a living outside WWE.
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keezy
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Post by keezy on Dec 19, 2016 16:16:21 GMT -5
James Ellsworth and I'm not kidding.
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Post by corndog on Dec 19, 2016 16:35:57 GMT -5
Juice Robinson could be a good example of someone who found greener pastures after leaving the WWE for NJPW and has improved a ton as a result as well. NJPW = indies!? Midcarder in NJPW = Big success!? He's very over in NJPW and he's easily one of the most improved wrestlers this year. But yeah, NJPW is not an indy.
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Post by corndog on Dec 19, 2016 16:38:55 GMT -5
Even though it looks like things are turning around for him I'm still not convinced that Cesaro's not one bad booking away from taking off and setting indie wrestling on fire. But otherwise I would agree with others that Swagger is prime for an indie reinvention. I actually was thinking the same thing with Cesaro. But at 35, he might just bite the bar and stick around just for the WWE pay day and security. Even though he is being used poorly, I don't think he's anywhere near the chopping block.
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percymania
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Post by percymania on Dec 19, 2016 16:58:22 GMT -5
Oh, and I forgot one other positive aspect of leaving the WWE - NO WELLNESS POLICY
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 19, 2016 17:06:07 GMT -5
Oh, and I forgot one other positive aspect of leaving the WWE - NO WELLNESS POLICY Oh goody, all the steroids and cocaine my body can handle! I'm sure looking forward to dying before 50! Seriously, what makes you think this?
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 19, 2016 17:16:08 GMT -5
Oh, and I forgot one other positive aspect of leaving the WWE - NO WELLNESS POLICY Oh goody, all the steroids and cocaine my body can handle! I'm sure looking forward to dying before 50! Seriously, what makes you think this? Alberto Del Rio. Homie been tremendously yoked all while self destructing. Mexico got some primo drugs with no pesky drug testing to get in the way.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 19, 2016 17:21:50 GMT -5
Here is the thing about this, some of the people we are mentioning already wrestled in the indies beforehand. Chris Hero been on a f***ing tear the last couple of years. But folks consider him more indy than WWE even when he was in FCW/NXT. Juice Robinson wrestled in AAW. The bigger question is what homegrown WWE person can succeed in the indies? My money is on Angelo Dawkins.
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Johnny Flamingo
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Dec 19, 2016 17:22:54 GMT -5
Has anyone ever left WWE and succeeded in the indies? Scott Levy. Went from to Raven. Was Jonny Polo in WWF. No one is WWF saw much of him in-ring and wanted him to work behind the scenes. Left WWF for ECW and created Raven, which became one of the more popular wrestlers in ECW and later WCW. The Raven character itself is pretty iconic.
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percymania
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Post by percymania on Dec 19, 2016 17:25:39 GMT -5
Oh, and I forgot one other positive aspect of leaving the WWE - NO WELLNESS POLICY Oh goody, all the steroids and cocaine my body can handle! I'm sure looking forward to dying before 50! Seriously, what makes you think this? Guys like Matt Sydal.
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