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Post by thelonewolf527 on Feb 11, 2017 15:08:39 GMT -5
If it's true that Russo created the Blue Blazer entrance as a slight at Sting, then this is indeed his worst idea. Everything else is just stupid TV and bad business decisions. That's not what happened. Over the Edge was written already and Russo got a call from the production guy saying "The guys who repel Sting down at WCW are going to be at our show and they want to see an example of something that they can help us with in the future." So Russo looked down the card and saw Owen (who had already once done an entrance like that in the past) and thought that would be great for his character getting a big spectacular entrance.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 11, 2017 15:09:58 GMT -5
His worst ideas stem from the fact he doesn't comprehend the concept of keeping booking confined in-universe. He doesn't see the problem with wrestlers openly discussing booking and insider terminology on air, because he thinks "it's all fake and everyone knows it, so what's the big deal?". He'll never understand why that doesn't work.
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Post by thegame415 on Feb 11, 2017 15:12:13 GMT -5
Worst Russo idea ever: OKLAHOMA. This angle pissed me off so much I quit watching WCW for good. To be fair, Ferrara did the same thing in WWF on an episode of Heat. Also, with the Sullivan/IRA thing, I'm assuming it's the controversial one we shouldn't be talking about, right? Because Kevin Sullivan, Individual Retirement Account extremist, sounds so bad, it's good.
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Post by FHgrad99 on Feb 11, 2017 16:18:05 GMT -5
He was also the one who came up with Brawl For All.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Feb 11, 2017 16:45:19 GMT -5
If it's true that Russo created the Blue Blazer entrance as a slight at Sting, then this is indeed his worst idea. Everything else is just stupid TV and bad business decisions. That's not what happened. Over the Edge was written already and Russo got a call from the production guy saying "The guys who repel Sting down at WCW are going to be at our show and they want to see an example of something that they can help us with in the future." So Russo looked down the card and saw Owen (who had already once done an entrance like that in the past) and thought that would be great for his character getting a big spectacular entrance. So it was still his idea then?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 11, 2017 16:53:41 GMT -5
He was also the one who came up with Brawl For All. That idea saw Bradshaw get knocked on his arse and Jim Ross' pet project suffer a similar fate so it wasn't all bad.
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Post by FHgrad99 on Feb 11, 2017 18:11:50 GMT -5
He was also the one who came up with Brawl For All. That idea saw Bradshaw get knocked on his arse and Jim Ross' pet project suffer a similar fate so it wasn't all bad. But Steve Williams also got injured during that. If memory serves me correctly, he tore his hamstring.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Feb 11, 2017 18:13:01 GMT -5
Not all of Russo's ideas were bad, it's just that the execution was horrendous. Take the powers that be storyline, at it's heart it was a heel GM angle before it was played out, keeping him unseen aside from being a guy in a chair was good as he never overshadowed the wrestlers he worked with and it was a good way to explain repackagings and help guys in the undercard get over because they look like babyfaces with this unseen guy from management putting them through the wringer... Unfortunately, like most Russo ideas, it lead nowhere good. I always said one of Russo's biggest problems, especially when he was running WCW, was that he had no attention span. The Goldberg-Tank Abbott feud was the perfect example of this. The start of it, with Abbott coming down, calling out Goldberg, then beating up guys like Bob Ryder and Mark Madden when Goldberg didn't show up, was actually really good stuff. People wanted to see the match, and with a little patience and basic smart booking, WCW could've dragged this out and built up to least one, if not multiple, PPV main events. Instead Russo blew it off three weeks later in a 90 second match on Nitro because he was bored and wanted to turn Goldberg heel.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 11, 2017 18:14:03 GMT -5
That idea saw Bradshaw get knocked on his arse and Jim Ross' pet project suffer a similar fate so it wasn't all bad. But Steve Williams also got injured during that. If memory serves me correctly, he tore his hamstring. A ton of people got injured, nobody thought it was real, and finally and most damning nobody cared. so yeah it was pretty much all bad...
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Post by msc on Feb 11, 2017 18:36:19 GMT -5
Vince Russo, WCW Champion Chuck Palumbo, WCW Champion (never happened in the end0 The Chaz Wifebeating Angle Miscarriage angles Pinata on a f***ing pole Oklahoma Jobbing Jushin Thunder Liger to a tequila bottle. Kevin Nash wrestling a stripper Rock and Sock Marriage Bret Hart, concussion, and the monster truck
Amusingly, that TNA Coffin match was actually an idea of Dutch Mantells, iirc. Just that by that point, fans assumed anything was Russo, not helped by his own self promotion.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 11, 2017 18:47:04 GMT -5
Amusingly, that TNA Coffin match was actually an idea of Dutch Mantells, iirc. Just that by that point, fans assumed anything was Russo, not helped by his own self promotion. That was what Dixie Carter said. Dutch has denied it.
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Post by msc on Feb 11, 2017 19:01:47 GMT -5
Amusingly, that TNA Coffin match was actually an idea of Dutch Mantells, iirc. Just that by that point, fans assumed anything was Russo, not helped by his own self promotion. That was what Dixie Carter said. Dutch has denied it. I stand corrected, I thought it was Dutch himself who'd said that. Ten years is a long time in shoot interviews/NEWZ/etc...
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Post by nate5054 on Feb 11, 2017 21:36:45 GMT -5
WORST "Russo Idea" Ever. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}"Sug, let's hire Vince Russo." He's booking an Indy show in Denver called Rocky Mountain Pro. It's bad, it's what you expect about an Indy show booked by Vince Russo, the quality is worse than a public access show. They run shows like 10 minutes from my house on occasion. I've never had any desire to go to one of them for some reason.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Feb 11, 2017 21:48:11 GMT -5
That was what Dixie Carter said. Dutch has denied it. I stand corrected, I thought it was Dutch himself who'd said that. Ten years is a long time in shoot interviews/NEWZ/etc... Is this what led to the clip that I now cannot find of Dutch saying, "A hunnerd percent BULLSHIT.?"
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Post by Joe Neglia on Feb 11, 2017 23:28:43 GMT -5
Kevin Nash wrestling a stripper Porn star, but semantics. That was Minka.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Feb 11, 2017 23:44:44 GMT -5
Kevin Nash wrestling a stripper Porn star, but semantics. That was Minka. Let there be no mistake. Joe Neglia knows his pornography!
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 12, 2017 1:58:20 GMT -5
He's booking an Indy show in Denver called Rocky Mountain Pro. It's bad, it's what you expect about an Indy show booked by Vince Russo, the quality is worse than a public access show. They run shows like 10 minutes from my house on occasion. I've never had any desire to go to one of them for some reason. I tried to watch an episode on YouTube but I couldn't last more than a minute. Imagine Vince Russo directing with zero budget...
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Feb 12, 2017 3:53:13 GMT -5
That's not what happened. Over the Edge was written already and Russo got a call from the production guy saying "The guys who repel Sting down at WCW are going to be at our show and they want to see an example of something that they can help us with in the future." So Russo looked down the card and saw Owen (who had already once done an entrance like that in the past) and thought that would be great for his character getting a big spectacular entrance. So it was still his idea then? If you want to be technical yes. He threw the idea out there because he was asked to find a spot for someone to repel from the ceiling. He's told the story many times about the sequence of events that weekend. No one should be blaming him after they hear the full story.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 12, 2017 10:33:00 GMT -5
I would love to see an episode of something like Law & Order written with Russo's booking ideology, one of the detectives would be a murderer for no reason but would be back on duty by the end of the episode like nothing has happened. Ice-T would turn up to duty and act like he did in Leprechaun in the hood because that's how Russo believes he should act and Richard Belzer would make constant digs at an unnamed orange man from Florida. He'd remove anything of interest from the female detectives and have them hate oneanother because he's hoping to talk them into catfighting or wrestling in mud (Something he tried to get Leilani Kai to do), and they would all be demoted, because Russo doesn't believe women are fit for leadership positions (Seriously, he said that). The captain would be played by the actual Dick Wolf (Man, what a name) and he would be a J. Jonah Jameson-like character, berating his underlings for not sticking to the script.
The whole thing would be an unmitigated disaster that would never make it to air because of how immensely offensive stupid it all is, yet stupidity on that scale made it to air on both major wrestling shows,shows how great the self loathing from wrestling management is, I guess.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 12, 2017 15:44:29 GMT -5
I would love to see an episode of something like Law & Order written with Russo's booking ideology, one of the detectives would be a murderer for no reason but would be back on duty by the end of the episode like nothing has happened. Ice-T would turn up to duty and act like he did in Leprechaun in the hood because that's how Russo believes he should act and Richard Belzer would make constant digs at an unnamed orange man from Florida. He'd remove anything of interest from the female detectives and have them hate oneanother because he's hoping to talk them into catfighting or wrestling in mud (Something he tried to get Leilani Kai to do), and they would all be demoted, because Russo doesn't believe women are fit for leadership positions (Seriously, he said that). The captain would be played by the actual Dick Wolf (Man, what a name) and he would be a J. Jonah Jameson-like character, berating his underlings for not sticking to the script. The whole thing would be an unmitigated disaster that would never make it to air because of how immensely offensive stupid it all is, yet stupidity on that scale made it to air on both major wrestling shows,shows how great the self loathing from wrestling management is, I guess. f*** I would pay anything to see Russo book a script he wrote to a network executive just to see how much time the person would last before kicking him out. Actually in the timeline death of wcw with Kevin Sullivan, Kevin suspected that Russo booked stupid shit on purpose because he was pitching a sitcom about wrestling named "Rope Opera". The Turner exectutives didn't like it go figure
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