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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 23, 2017 21:02:40 GMT -5
The immediate answer is yes but when you think about it from TNA perspective they are paying them money to film shit at home and travel at that leisure. The Hardy gimmick losses a lot of its luster when it is on camera but they film for their "big shows" it does pop a rating. Even now with this conquest of all the titles it is not really in the TNA name but the Hardy brand.
The great thing they do have from The Hardys is the talent they are getting from them but if they are paying them top dollar to not "be at the show" are they really worth it? It is something they will have to think hard about when their contract comes up soon.
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Post by eJm on Feb 23, 2017 22:08:54 GMT -5
I mean, they are the one reason people are talking in any way about TNA. You think anyone else would have pulled off any kind of association with ROH on TNA's roster in this day and age? Maybe Lashley but he is literally the only one.
On the other, I can imagine that the Hardys would be an easy drop in Anthem's "keep them at a good level to make sure we don't have to pay too much for the content" plan for TNA and honestly, they could make a tonne on the indies if they put a clause about whatever they make being theirs which, knowing Dixie's TNA, probably happened.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Feb 23, 2017 22:54:31 GMT -5
I think the answer is yes, but I think negotiations might be a little bit harder than they seem.
Presumably, the allure of sticking with TNA is a light schedule and creative freedom. Now, the light schedule isn't going to change, but will the creative freedom with new ownership and the return of Jeff Jarrett? I would guess no, but it's more difficult to answer now than it was before the sale.
The drawbacks about the WWE are obvious. You're looking at a heavier schedule and losing creative freedom. While they might keep the Broken gimmick, the Hardys aren't going to have anything close to carte blanche like they have now.
Just as the drawbacks are obvious, so are the advantages: more money and a much, much larger opportunity for merch revenue. That might make one more run appealing.
If the Hardys were to return, I could even see them being split up with Jeff on RAW as himself and Matt on SD as Broken Matt.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 23, 2017 23:07:11 GMT -5
I think the answer is yes, but I think negotiations might be a little bit harder than they seem. Presumably, the allure of sticking with TNA is a light schedule and creative freedom. Now, the light schedule isn't going to change, but will the creative freedom with new ownership and the return of Jeff Jarrett? I would guess no, but it's more difficult to answer now than it was before the sale. The drawbacks about the WWE are obvious. You're looking at a heavier schedule and losing creative freedom. While they might keep the Broken gimmick, the Hardys aren't going to have anything close to carte blanche like they have now. Just as the drawbacks are obvious, so are the advantages: more money and a much, much larger opportunity for merch revenue. That might make one more run appealing. If the Hardys were to return, I could even see them being split up with Jeff on RAW as himself and Matt on SD as Broken Matt. Imo I would rather have them split up then together. This is clearly Matts baby and Jeff is a piece of it that keeps the engine running but I think Matt will be fine on his own(Until he wrestles). Jeff left as one of the top people so you can easily build him back up. |
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Feb 23, 2017 23:35:32 GMT -5
It really depends on what direction Jarrett and company want to go in. If they're willing to build their plans around what was working with TNA before they got there (Hardys, Lashley), then, yes, absolutely. Give Matt whatever the hell he wants, within reason. Same with Jeff.
However, if they have completely different plans, and will sign the Hardys only to kind of phase down/out the Broken stuff, and return then to the complete nostalgia act they were previous to Broken stuff, then, no. Let them go on, and build around new stars.
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Post by Ted Sheckler on Feb 25, 2017 5:18:50 GMT -5
I say no, here is why.
- Yes, they are big stars but how can TNA capitalise on it? They don't do House Shows, they do 2 PPV's a year which don't sell and their TV ratings stay the same no matter who is there or not. Assuming they're both on at least 100,000 a year that's money being spent that they can't recoup except from merchandise. TNA would be better off using inexpensive guys and building around guys like Abyss, EC3, Galloway, Lashley and whoever else comes out of WWE. Stop spending big money on guys who can't get you that money back.
- Right now some of the wrestling world adore their act and others do not. I am the latter, I don't understand why it's funny and I don't want to see it anymore. As they continue to do this act and exhaust themselves creatively people will grow bored and move on and then you've got two guys people don't care about.
- Ultimately TNA are in the business of trying to convince people that everything they do on TV is real in hopes of selling PPV's to see them fight. The Hardy Boys completely expose the business regularly so how can I suspend disbelief? I cannot. The Hardys hurt TNA's business long term.
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Post by Ricky Nightshade on Feb 25, 2017 7:29:23 GMT -5
Yes but I don't think they're a good fit in TNA right now. Give them their own show on FloSlam.
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Post by r. on Feb 25, 2017 11:10:31 GMT -5
It's a good idea to keep them for the fact they are one of the few draws they have.
So obviously no they will not rehire them.
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Post by benstudd on Feb 26, 2017 7:10:06 GMT -5
That's a good question and really one that is worth going over.
First, I think I'm pretty sure they are gonna get their big contracts, they are gonna stay. They are mainly the only over thing in TNA and they are entertaining.
But should they? If JJ has limited plans and the vision of the company going forward is sketchy, you might keep them and buy some time. But I'm thinking if you have a concept planned out and it doesn't involve doing crazy shit like they are doing and they don't fit, you can go forward without them. And focus on a younger core. Let's face it, both of them are not getting younger.
And if you go forward with those contracts, Hardy may move the needle ratings-wise and with the mercs but at the price they are gonna cost and the company limited revenues, it may be better to lose them.
At the end of the day, for the growth of a company, what are you getting with Hardys? You are not going to get 5 stars matches cause they cannot do that anymore. And if you want to transition into doing more PPV and house shows, you need fresh young legs so that is worth spending money on seeing these shows and great matches.
I'm leading more toward no but really they are gonna get their money.
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Post by corndog on Feb 26, 2017 11:14:32 GMT -5
I don't see why TNA wouldn't resign them for one more year. If TNA has any brain power at all in their front office, at the very least, this can help them build relationships with other promotions. I think the smartest thing, although very uncharacteristic of TNA, is to build relationships with many of the companies they are working. WCPW is on WWE's shitlist, many of the smaller indies could use partners and is the Crash in Mexico under the AAA umbrella or an independent company?
At the same time, how about TNA actually doing a few house shows? If the Hardys are there, it will draw. Bringing in talent from indies in the area probably wouldn't hurt either.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 26, 2017 11:28:29 GMT -5
Jeff, no. He needs to be in WWE.
Matt, yes. He needs to be kept out of WWE.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Feb 26, 2017 14:19:02 GMT -5
It's a good idea to keep them for the fact they are one of the few draws they have. So obviously no they will not rehire them. Well I know a place that would cheer this if it happens. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Feb 26, 2017 18:10:28 GMT -5
The Hardys are bigger than TNA. TNA needs them more than they needs TNA. WWE wants them but they won't get the creative freedom like TNA. But TNA's upcoming regime is planning to go more traditional. Something that the Broken Universe don't fit in. Basically it all depends on if TNA buys more finger paint for Jeff and let him record his alt-prog rock music.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 26, 2017 20:45:28 GMT -5
The Hardys are bigger than TNA. TNA needs them more than they needs TNA. WWE wants them but they won't get the creative freedom like TNA. But TNA's upcoming regime is planning to go more traditional. Something that the Broken Universe don't fit in. Basically it all depends on if TNA buys more finger paint for Jeff and let him record his alt-prog rock music. the Broken universe doesn't really work in TNA now. It goes from whatever insanity the Hardy's are doing then back into Mike "You can call me Mike" Bennett and the like doing traditional wrestling stuff and it's jarring as hell. |
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Post by Emmet Russell on Feb 26, 2017 20:47:10 GMT -5
When you think about it, they're really the only "star power" TNA has left.
They don't bring it ratings, but neither does anyone else. The audience on POP TV won't grow, but the Hardy's do bring eyes to the product with their Twitter & YouTube.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Feb 26, 2017 20:48:49 GMT -5
I'm truly not one to pile-on to the screaming tire fire that has been the last couple years in TNA, but it has truly got to be one of wrestling's greatest achievements that Matt Hardy established an uber-popular act in a company that was so absolutely anti-buzzworthy. As to that meriting another contract, I dunno, but my god, I'd rather have someone like that on my side.
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Post by Aya Reiko on Feb 27, 2017 6:48:04 GMT -5
Better question:
Is TNA worth anything to The Hardys?
They would probably earn more going fully independent than sticking with TNA.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Feb 27, 2017 7:05:55 GMT -5
The Hardys are bigger than TNA. TNA needs them more than they needs TNA. WWE wants them but they won't get the creative freedom like TNA. But TNA's upcoming regime is planning to go more traditional. Something that the Broken Universe don't fit in. Basically it all depends on if TNA buys more finger paint for Jeff and let him record his alt-prog rock music. the Broken universe doesn't really work in TNA now. It goes from whatever insanity the Hardy's are doing then back into Mike "You can call me Mike" Bennett and the like doing traditional wrestling stuff and it's jarring as hell. The Hardys are more master politicians than most will recognize. They spent the time building their brand up on TNA's dime. The Broken Universe got over more than they originally planned and increased the Hardys' wrestling and merch demands. TNA was like a crackhead looking for a hit which the Hardys provided. So do they give the Hardys most of what they want to keep them or let them leave while people call them stupid for doing so? Either way, Matt and Jeff will be more than fine with the outcome. Because WWE wants them back and they can ride the Broken wave in the indies while still pulling in the money. They made it where they don't need TNA to survive. TNA needs them. |
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