Gus Richlen Was Wrong
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Feb 28, 2017 0:21:39 GMT -5
I'm not referring, in the title, to someone's finishers getting changed (like Samoa Joe). I'm referring more to the fact that a lot of people on WWE's roster right now really don't get to show off much variety in their movesets. Like, I don't see much from a lot of guys other than maybe some basic strikes, a few bigger moves, and a finisher or two. That's it. And the problem is, I'm sure a lot of them have way more that they can do, but it seems like WWE isn't letting them show off what's possible.
Now, I'm not saying I suddenly want Braun Strowman to do a tilt-a-whirl headscissors, or Roman Reigns to do a corkscrew 630 leg drop, or Alexa Bliss to do an Orange Crush powerbomb. But I think they and so many others could benefit from being allowed to do more.
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Post by schma on Feb 28, 2017 1:36:16 GMT -5
It seems more like they want an established set of moves so that crowds know what spots to mark for. Honestly though, I love seeing variety in movesets, particularly when someone busts out something new. Then again, it's possible they limit movesets to make it easier to plan out matches.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Feb 28, 2017 1:39:55 GMT -5
I always hate when WWE limits a guy to kicks and punches whilst pushing them, then when WWE gives up they actually let them wrestle and use more moves and the guy becomes awesome.
Like what they did with Paul Burchill where when he was pushed he did nothing but punches and a curbstomp. When he became a jobber on ECW he was busting out brainbusters, pele kicks, standing moonsaults, different suplexes, jackhammers etc.
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Post by metylerca on Feb 28, 2017 1:54:01 GMT -5
Going by WWE logic, Roman will bust out shitty Pele Kicks and that Time Bombs next week on RAW.
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Post by bearned on Feb 28, 2017 2:37:50 GMT -5
Going by WWE logic, Roman will bust out shitty Pele Kicks and that Time Bombs next week on RAW. Not gonna lie, I want to see that.
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Post by Ricky Nightshade on Feb 28, 2017 4:48:27 GMT -5
I guess the logic is that they limit the moves now and save them for the big gigs down the line.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 28, 2017 4:56:33 GMT -5
It seems more like they want an established set of moves so that crowds know what spots to mark for. Honestly though, I love seeing variety in movesets, particularly when someone busts out something new. Then again, it's possible they limit movesets to make it easier to plan out matches. That's exactly what it is. Everybody wrestles the same match with the same few moves every time, so the crowds can anticipate exactly what's coming next and react accordingly.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 28, 2017 5:34:23 GMT -5
This is part of what I found weird about Kevin Owens at first.
The only part of the CAW accusations I agreed with was that Owens had this enormous moveset compared to everyone else.
Of course now he doesn't really.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 28, 2017 5:48:12 GMT -5
Playing devil's advocate here a bit, there are a couple of good reasons for it.
Limiting the moveset does keep things a bit safer, the WWE does have a really hard schedule, going all out the whole time would break guys down even faster.
There's also overexposure, doing all this stuff when people might see you once a month at most, but for lots of people it's even less than that, it's an amazing show. If you see those moves week in, week out they're no longer special. People become jaded so then they get less of a reaction.
Personally, I'd give a little more leeway on PPVs, that way those moves do get used, and it gives even more reason to get the network where you can see the roster really let loose. Right now it only seems to be a few guys that up their game for it.
But I can see the reasons.
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Post by r. on Feb 28, 2017 6:35:13 GMT -5
The opposite cases exists for Cena, Where they seem to insert moves he has no reason to do into his matches, Because reasons.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Feb 28, 2017 7:17:36 GMT -5
What's the point of doing a thousand moves if no one cares? Look at the Strowman vs Show match from last week. They kept it basic with some chain wrestling from Braun and got the crowd to go wild and chant "This is awesome" non ironically. Meanwhile cruisers bust out numerous dives and flips with only a few getting a response. It is not about having a large moveset. It's about making a move count and mean something.
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Post by Honeybear Lyder on Feb 28, 2017 8:23:59 GMT -5
This bugs me too. For some reason this thing always stood out to me whenever I was watching Rollins vs Jericho (remember when they used to have a match on every RAW some months back?). Not even simple moves like a vertical suplex or a body slam, it was like "strike, strike, strike, signature move, strike, strike, strike, finisher".
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 28, 2017 8:33:53 GMT -5
Hasn't that always been the WWE way? It's not a new thing, it's just more obvious now as we know they're physically capable of more as most of the top guys have a large body of recorded indy work to show off what they can do.
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Post by msc on Feb 28, 2017 8:41:06 GMT -5
What's the point of doing a thousand moves if no one cares? Look at the Strowman vs Show match from last week. They kept it basic with some chain wrestling from Braun and got the crowd to go wild and chant "This is awesome" non ironically. Meanwhile cruisers bust out numerous dives and flips with only a few getting a response. It is not about having a large moveset. It's about making a move count and mean something. Foley's example of this in Have A Nice Day was that the crowds "reacted more to Taker going over the top rope once a year than for TAKA doing it once a night".
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Post by Ricky Nightshade on Feb 28, 2017 8:47:08 GMT -5
The opposite cases exists for Cena, Where they seem to insert moves he has no reason to do into his matches, Because reasons. To be fair, this is post SuperCena, Big Match John "I know I'm the New York Yankees and I'm gonna work with the best of 'em." SuperCena was just as bad.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 28, 2017 12:47:13 GMT -5
What's the point of doing a thousand moves if no one cares? Look at the Strowman vs Show match from last week. They kept it basic with some chain wrestling from Braun and got the crowd to go wild and chant "This is awesome" non ironically. Meanwhile cruisers bust out numerous dives and flips with only a few getting a response. It is not about having a large moveset. It's about making a move count and mean something. I post this all the time in threads like this, but, as Mick Foley wrote in his first book: the Undertaker gets a bigger reaction jumping over the top rope twice a year than Taka Michinoku gets doing a twisting sakahura every night.
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Post by machomuta on Feb 28, 2017 13:10:25 GMT -5
Less is more.
You dont need a lot of moves to be a good wrestler.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 28, 2017 13:20:34 GMT -5
What's the point of doing a thousand moves if no one cares? Look at the Strowman vs Show match from last week. They kept it basic with some chain wrestling from Braun and got the crowd to go wild and chant "This is awesome" non ironically. Meanwhile cruisers bust out numerous dives and flips with only a few getting a response. It is not about having a large moveset. It's about making a move count and mean something. Foley's example of this in Have A Nice Day was that the crowds "reacted more to Taker going over the top rope once a year than for TAKA doing it once a night". Or Hogan throwing a punch. Hogan is a much better worker than he usually showed... the fact is he could do an enziguri if he wanted to but him throwing a punch popped the crowd just as much so he didn't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 13:48:37 GMT -5
I find it extremely annoying.
Your moves are you, just like your trunks, manneurisms, speaking cadence, etc. Sure you don't need to do 10,000 moves, but I shouldn't pop when I see someone use their fourteenth favorite signature move randomly on TV one day, knowing full well I'll likely never see it again.
You're kinda trapped as a worker too. If the "top guys" are all just doing basic shit they certainly are not going to let you outshine them with a bunch of cool, athletic stuff. Now get that top wrist lock.
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Post by r. on Feb 28, 2017 14:02:03 GMT -5
The opposite cases exists for Cena, Where they seem to insert moves he has no reason to do into his matches, Because reasons. To be fair, this is post SuperCena, Big Match John "I know I'm the New York Yankees and I'm gonna work with the best of 'em." SuperCena was just as bad. As I recall Super Cena had his set moveset where as within the last few years they have him doing the Yoshi tonic of all moves.
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