msc
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Post by msc on Feb 28, 2017 17:31:09 GMT -5
Foley's example of this in Have A Nice Day was that the crowds "reacted more to Taker going over the top rope once a year than for TAKA doing it once a night". Or Hogan throwing a punch. Hogan is a much better worker than he usually showed... the fact is he could do an enziguri if he wanted to but him throwing a punch popped the crowd just as much so he didn't. One of Hogans 90s matches in Japan - I think its the Muta one - he does a running clothesline down the ramp and does the double Foley bump into the ring with the guy. My wife happened to see this and said: "Holy shit, Hogan can actually move!" |
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Feb 28, 2017 18:24:24 GMT -5
I always hate when WWE limits a guy to kicks and punches whilst pushing them, then when WWE gives up they actually let them wrestle and use more moves and the guy becomes awesome. Like what they did with Paul Burchill where when he was pushed he did nothing but punches and a curbstomp. When he became a jobber on ECW he was busting out brainbusters, pele kicks, standing moonsaults, different suplexes, jackhammers etc. Paul Burchill on the indies was an absolute freak of an athlete who I earmarked as the first British WWE Champion because he was so insanely talented and versatile for a relatively big guy. In WWE, he was barely ever allowed to show what he could do. I'm not a guy who's crazy about massive movesets- it put me off Owens at first as it felt a bit forced, and I hate Cena's new spots-with-no-reason style. Yet when you have guys who can and do believably work in an incredible repertoire into their matches (such as Cesaro, or AJ) it definitely adds a lot to the matches and keeps them from getting stale. But again you can't do it too much or it grows old. It's a tricky balancing act between busting out enough new stuff to pop the crowd in surprise, and not overdoing it to the point the new stuff actually becomes repetitive, and I don't think there's many currently in WWE who are pulling it off, but whether that's down to the talent or the bookers/agents I dunno. |
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Bub (BLM)
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 28, 2017 18:35:01 GMT -5
I just don't like it when they drop moves that have already been established on WWE TV. Ziggler used to do a sweet reverse powerslam, then he just stopped. Can anyone think of any move he has now besides the super kick, zig-zag, or famouser? That one extra move wasn't crowding his offense.
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schma
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Post by schma on Feb 28, 2017 18:59:23 GMT -5
A few people mentioned the pops for Underataker going over the rope once a year vs Taka every night, or Braun and Show chain wrestlng to 'this is awesome' while cruiserweights get little interest from flippy moves. A big part of this is expectations. When WCW cruiserweights showed up and started doing the flippy stuff it was something the majority of us had never seen. Before this you were a high flyer if you did a top rope splash. Now 20 years later sometimes it feels that these guys are just going through the motions, doing what's expected of cruiserweights. You also don't expect someone like Undertaker to be jumping over the rope to the outside. He's a big dude and for the longest time in WWE big dudes simply weren't athletic. That's why when Undertaker started walking along the ropes people were all over it. If you're just expecting a guy like Braun to use powermoves and throw guys around like ragdolls (which was basically his squash matches) then when he breaks out something athletic or new, we're gonna take notice, even if other guys have been doing the same stuff.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 28, 2017 20:06:51 GMT -5
While I agree that less ca be more, I hate Foley's example. Undertaker got a far better reaction for his basic spots because he had nearly a decade worth of push on WWF TV and was a multiple time world champion, while Taka wrestled dregs in the WWF light heavyweight division before becoming a comedy act so yeah, his more expansive moveset wasn't going to pop the crowd because what he was doing seemed less important by default.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 1, 2017 7:48:32 GMT -5
While I agree that less ca be more, I hate Foley's example. Undertaker got a far better reaction for his basic spots because he had nearly a decade worth of push on WWF TV and was a multiple time world champion, while Taka wrestled dregs in the WWF light heavyweight division before becoming a comedy act so yeah, his more expansive moveset wasn't going to pop the crowd because what he was doing seemed less important by default. But that is precisely his point. You're agreeing with him. It isn't what you do. It is who is doing it, how it's presented. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 10:03:20 GMT -5
I personally hate move after move after move matches. In real life, a spinebuster can potentially injure someone and I hate how most independent matches no sell moves like this.
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Post by lemonyellowson on Mar 1, 2017 14:27:45 GMT -5
Why hasn't aj done the spiral tap yet?
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