Asuka should debut on the main roster undefeated

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I want to see her debut on Raw demoloshing everyone including squashing Charlotte like if it was SummerSlam 2014 with Brock vs. Cena. Build her up as a monster with the longest undefeated streak ever only for Banks/Bayley/Paige/SD Women drafted to Raw at 2nd Annual Draft/Etc at a SummerSlam or Survivor Series. She can vacate the NXT Women's Belt like they did with Paige.

[Super Duper Dragunov]

This is what I want as well, and see no reason not to do so.

Ember Moon is decent, but not the maverick female they need to hand Asuka her first loss.

She should've lost it in the fatal 4 way by not taking the pinfall.

[YAKMAN is ICHIBAN]

Agreed

I'd have her keep the title, debut on RAW/Smackdown, and then have whomever she is feuding with on the main roster interfere in an NXT title match on NXT.

[hbkid718]

Never been pinned or submitted, but she is not undefeated. There's a difference.

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I'm kind of two minds on it. On one hand, it doesn't do NXT's weak division any favors to have her just leave with the belt after having spent ages effortlessly crushing the division. On the other, there's no one in NXT I remotely buy as able to beat her.

[Bobeddy]

I agree. While I can appreciate Ember's ability, I haven't found her character that engaging in comparison to Asuka.

If Asuka was going to drop the belt to anyone, I think it should be Nikki Cross. For one, since Bayley won the title it's been a face women's champ. I know in the last few months they've graduated Asuka to more of a tweener role, but it's been a good year and a half since there's been a full blown heel. Nikki can slot into the contendership pretty easily. She can claim that the only reason Asuka escaped was cos Peyton and Billie put her through the table and one-on-one there's no-one that can save her.

Seeing Asuka and Nikki face off in the build up to the 4-way, my reaction was "oh crap, they're gonna kill each other". My reaction to Ember and Asuka was "Yeah, cool!". I just feel there's more meat to a Asuka/Nikki feud rather than the Ember "both undefeated, something's gotta give" angle they're going for.

[ASYLUMHAUSEN]

I don't think she's going to debut on Raw....

but I agree with the general sentiment.

[héad.casé]

I'd like it, would give her a badass aura right from the start with people who don't know her, but it would make the girls down in NXT look like crap because none of them could beat her. Only way you could do it is have her drop the title without being beat in a multi woman title match.

[A Platypus Rave]

Mar 16, 2017 15:31:54 GMT -5 hbkid718 said:

Never been pinned or submitted, but she is not undefeated. There's a difference.

The WWE are referring to that as Undefeated.

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Have her nosell the Jackhammer and submit Goldberg.

[GuyOfOwnage]

Mar 16, 2017 19:00:53 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave said:

Mar 16, 2017 15:31:54 GMT -5 hbkid718 said:

Never been pinned or submitted, but she is not undefeated. There's a difference.

The WWE are referring to that as Undefeated.

Yeah, anything other than a pinfall or submission isn't considered an official loss. Otherwise, quite a few undefeated streaks would've ended prematurely.

And yeah, I'd love to see her debut on the main roster undefeated. Have her win one of the main roster belts and forfeit the NXT title, leading to a tournament. They've built her up so much that no one on the NXT women's roster would be even remotely believable dethroning her.

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If you want NXT to be a legit brand you cannot do that. Hell, you cannot do it if you want any of these women to have a future. She'll have literally beaten every female on that roster, multiple times, and left. For the good of that division, she has to lose. You can do it in a way that protects and even brings that aura with her to the main roster but you cannot have her kill the division and leave.

Build it to where people are calling Asuka the top female in wrestling, Alexa or Charlotte take offense and cost her a match on a Takeover so she moves up straight into the title picture while someone can claim to be the only person good enough to beat her. Shit have her and Nikki Cross go toe to toe for 20 minutes then do it. It'd work better if the Aussies hadn't lost more times than I can remember.

[BigAl]

so her loss to Eva Marie doesnt count?

[Welfare Willis]

Vince: That's a good idea. Then we'll have her lose immediately to Nia Jax next week on Raw. Now get me a steak wrap with ketchup dammnit!

[Mozenrath]

I normally hate this kind of thing, but I guess it depends. Paige leaving NXT by just handing the belt back hurt the women in the short term, but also created something of a blank slate that led to the women stepping up to fill that power vacuum, giving us the whole Four Horsewomen thing that was probably the peak of the division in NXT.

It might actually help more for her to leave by handing the title over than to directly lose it, but it could also backfire. A big part of that whole thing working was that Bayley got very over, to where the other three Horsewomen directly benefited from it by backstabbing her to even get their heat. If Ember, Nikki, etc, don't catch fire, it could be a rough time.

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I....what?
No.
The fact this is becoming a bit of a thing now seems kinda suspect.

There were quite a few people who were okay with Asuka taking a loss to Kay/Royce with shenanigans or Nikki Cross in a one-on-one, the latter of which still kinda baffles me.
They didn't even take the weak way out with Asuka dropping the title in the four-way by not taking the pinfall.

She whooped everyone's ass in that four-way and won anyway.

Why should Ember Moon, who in the ring is light-years ahead of everyone in that division not named Asuka, not get put over in a one-on-one match on Asuka's way out?
Ember's the best they have and she's going to be there for a minute, so I...don't get what's changed in wrestling from the time the four-way happened to now.

I mean...people just suggesting Asuka should just relinquish the title undefeated? Like that's going to really carry some weight with people whenever she gets to the main roster?
Hasn't general consensus here even established that not nearly the amount of people follow NXT as the WWE likes?

And it's not like people are even saying Asuka could beat Ember, then give up the title on the way out so now the eventual women's tournament would be for the NXT women's title...

[JCBaggee]

Mar 17, 2017 7:58:09 GMT -5 @keijikage said:

I....what?
No.
The fact this is becoming a bit of a thing now seems kinda suspect.

There were quite a few people who were okay with Asuka taking a loss to Kay/Royce with shenanigans or Nikki Cross in a one-on-one, the latter of which still kinda baffles me.
They didn't even take the weak way out with Asuka dropping the title in the four-way by not taking the pinfall.

She whooped everyone's ass in that four-way and won anyway.

Why should Ember Moon, who in the ring is light-years ahead of everyone in that division not named Asuka, not get put over in a one-on-one match on Asuka's way out?
Ember's the best they have and she's going to be there for a minute, so I...don't get what's changed in wrestling from the time the four-way happened to now.

I mean...people just suggesting Asuka should just relinquish the title undefeated? Like that's going to really carry some weight with people whenever she gets to the main roster?
Hasn't general consensus here even established that not nearly the amount of people follow NXT as the WWE likes?

And it's not like people are even saying Asuka could beat Ember, then give up the title on the way out so now the eventual women's tournament would be for the NXT women's title...

Well, no.

What you do is a Triple Threat: Asuka vs. Ember Moon vs. Peyton Royce or Billie Kaye. Whichever of the two isn't in the match immediately takes out Asuka from behind, the one that's in the match gets a cheap shot on a distracted Moon and wins the title. Asuka is still technically undefeated, Moon has a built in feud.

Ember is the next big face in the division, yeah, but honestly, Asuka carrying the undefeated gimmick to Smackdown is a better long-term goal than giving it to Ember. She'll get over on her own.

[Ricky Nightshade]

I kinda want her to beat Ember, go full cocky complacent champion, have herself some special skybox/Mil Muertes throne for the Women's Classic and challenge whoever wins as the Final Boss and she loses because of her hubris.

She goes crazy and becomes a monster again and feuds with the winner and that's her last feud for NXT.

[lionheart21]

I want her final match on NXT to be against Nikki Cross where Nikki finally gets the better of her and solidifies herself as Asuka's successor.

[hbkid718]

Mar 16, 2017 23:15:41 GMT -5 GuyOfOwnage said:

Mar 16, 2017 19:00:53 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave said:

The WWE are referring to that as Undefeated.

Yeah, anything other than a pinfall or submission isn't considered an official loss. Otherwise, quite a few undefeated streaks would've ended prematurely.

And yeah, I'd love to see her debut on the main roster undefeated. Have her win one of the main roster belts and forfeit the NXT title, leading to a tournament. They've built her up so much that no one on the NXT women's roster would be even remotely believable dethroning her.

To me a loss is a loss, whether it's in a battle royal or a tag team match, or a multiple-person match. She has losses in my record book and so does Ember Moon. I don't care what WWE says. In my book, Braun Strowman is not undefeated and neither is Charlotte on PPV.