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Post by MGH on Mar 31, 2017 10:35:16 GMT -5
Man, there isn't an entity they love hitting with revisionist history more than they do the Shield. Even this bullshit Architect bit they do with Seth Rollins. Go back to the debut of the Shield. It wasn't Seth putting it together and holding things down. From the beginning it was Dean Ambrose they had in that spot. At least it was until somewhere along the way they decided to make Seth the leader and founder. Now we chose Roman Reigns?
Roman Reigns was cheered like crazy at the end of the 2014 Rumble because he WASN'T Batista. That's why. We never "chose" Reigns. Reigns was getting booed a few months after the Shield broke up because people kept waiting for him to evolve in to his own deal and it never happened. Then the stories broke about WWE preparing a rocket push for him and it was game over. "We" don't have anything to do with this. "We" chose Dean Ambrose and to a lesser degree Seth Rollins. "We" don't deserve to get talked down to and ridiculed by some bitter company shill. This company is infuriating as f*** sometimes.
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Post by MAGGLE on Mar 31, 2017 10:37:50 GMT -5
Did I miss the IWC meeting where we all decided that Roman Reigns was our choice as the guy from the Shield? I would say almost the entirety of 2014 was a Roman Reigns worship fest.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 10:40:11 GMT -5
This tells me conquering hero Reigns will retire Undertaker & not turn heel.
I hate that this company refuses to let their own guy get a chance to do his own stuff and instead want to do the "controversial" crap we had with Cena.
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 31, 2017 10:50:13 GMT -5
"Yep. Those whiny Internet fans."
"Oh, here's NXT, CWC, UK Tournament, and all the independent wrestlers we've hired that obviously cater to you."
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 31, 2017 10:56:14 GMT -5
"Yep. Those whiny Internet fans." "Oh, here's NXT, CWC, UK Tournament, and all the independent wrestlers we've hired that obviously cater to you." not to mention who the hell do they think is going to buy the Network?
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Post by ToyfareMark on Mar 31, 2017 10:56:30 GMT -5
Is there a company that has such utter contempt for their customers then the WWE? EA
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 11:01:07 GMT -5
This is so bizarre and frankly in the long run it will prove catastrophic to business. This isn't even like a promoter not getting what the fans want or being out of touch. This is actively giving the middle finger to what the fans want and daring them not to watch, then being shocked when ratings are way down. The most surreal thing about it is that they are doing it on a service that is pretty much entirely for the hardcore/internet fans because they seem to be the ones who are paying for the service properly and not just jumping in and out from long term trials and such. There are much bigger organisations that make way more money who shouldn't be respectful to fans, going by WWE logic, but are. Disney pretty much set up D23, both the expo and the fan club, in tribute to those fans. I just wish wrestling fans can vote with there wallets or remotes better. Like if the main event is Roman Reigns vs. Kevin Owens for the billionth time and there's only about 10 minutes left the show just change the channel and turn off the TV and read the results an hour later to see if you missed something and if you did watch it later. Or people in the crowd start leaving earlier so they can get some last minute merch and beat the traffic. Or go in droves for a bathroom/merch/food break during a Reigns match or promo if's in the middle of the card. Like I said earlier before I feel like I enjoy WWE more then the average person on FAN but yet I feel like I watch a lot less and spend a lot lot less on the WWE then most of the negative people here. Some of the most negative vocal fans are the ones that post on every live show thread, make the most amount of threads and posts after a show is over, use there vacation time for Wrestlemania/SummerSlam/Royal Rumble weekends, watch the most amount of Network shows, use social networking to tweet about WWE when the show is going on, and buy the most merch. And that's why they keep pushing guys like Reigns or part timers we are sick off because they know they can get away with this because there is still a constant stream of cash flow. But yeah it kind of boggles me because instead of posting about your displeasure as protest, just watch something else instead. Watch other forms of wrestling, a new show, get a DVR, get some new hobbies, spend less, post less to keep them less socially active, actively change the channel when Roman or Goldberg or Lesnar is on, etc. Like I never seen a company that seems to despise it's customers so much but on the flip side I never seen a fanbase so loyal and committed to "Hate Watching" at the same time.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 31, 2017 11:06:39 GMT -5
The most surreal thing about it is that they are doing it on a service that is pretty much entirely for the hardcore/internet fans because they seem to be the ones who are paying for the service properly and not just jumping in and out from long term trials and such. There are much bigger organisations that make way more money who shouldn't be respectful to fans, going by WWE logic, but are. Disney pretty much set up D23, both the expo and the fan club, in tribute to those fans. I just wish wrestling fans can vote with there wallets or remotes better. Like if the main event is Roman Reigns vs. Kevin Owens for the billionth time and there's only about 10 minutes left the show just change the channel and turn off the TV and read the results an hour later to see if you missed something and if you did watch it later. Or people in the crowd start leaving earlier so they can get some last minute merch and beat the traffic. Or go in droves for a bathroom/merch/food break during a Reigns match or promo if's in the middle of the card. turning off the show doesn't really matter unless you have a ratings box. Leaving early would work though. That said I haven't watched any main roster WWE related stuff in like a month... not out of active protest or anything... I just haven't cared.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Mar 31, 2017 11:08:48 GMT -5
"YOU chose Roman Reigns"
THE f*** I DID!
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Post by cabbageboy on Mar 31, 2017 11:38:32 GMT -5
I have said for a while now that The Shield guys remind me a lot of The Freebirds in that they are not really main event level guys on their own (well, Gordy was in Japan) and that as a trio they hide each other's weaknesses. Hayes ran his mouth and was the leader, Roberts hit you from behind and instigated, Gordy cleaned house. Perfect. With The Shield Ambrose was the initial leader and ran his mouth, Rollins did a lot of the actual in ring work, Reigns cleaned house.
From the earliest days of Reigns's push there has been a weird contradictory nature to it. It's like WWE wanted you to buy into Seth Rollins as The Authority's hand picked guy yet also noted that Reigns was WWE's actual hand picked guy. At least with Cena they sort of downplayed a lot of the "WWE are evil executives" stuff for the bulk of his push, or at least never really did much in the way of Cena fighting The Man. But how can Reigns be a believable fighter of authority when it has been clearly mentioned on TV that he is management's choice?
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Mar 31, 2017 11:41:53 GMT -5
Did I miss the IWC meeting where we all decided that Roman Reigns was our choice as the guy from the Shield? It was the same meeting we all decided ripped jeans weren't fashionable and Marty Janetty brought home made cupcakes and juice.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Mar 31, 2017 11:43:06 GMT -5
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Post by corndog on Mar 31, 2017 11:44:31 GMT -5
JBL no one (here) has said he hasn't earned his spot. What we are booing is the same tired formula of taking someone and shoving them in our face under the guise of 'THIS IS YOUR BABYFACE HERO LOVE HIM!" and when it fails miserably try to fumble around and pretend like he was a heel the whole time and this was all a brilliant work. Yeah people are booing the superhero push ala Hogan, Warrior, what they failed with Luger and Cena, which was actually started with Vince Sr. in Bruno Sammartino and then failed with Backlund. Over 20 years ago Vince learned you cannot recreate the formula with Luger and hell Luger had much better reactions than Roman, yet they crap on it to this day. He tried to do it again with the Rock and people regurgitated it badly. It has to appear more organic like Austin, Bret and most recently Daniel Bryan. To be honest, it's time for Vince to step back. He doesn't know how to book in a modern era with more smart fans than ever and despite changing his ways in the Attitude era he went right back to the 70s/80s in the post-WCW era. The whole, kids and women love Roman doesn't matter, they will love a lot of people in that spot. Turn Roman heel, team him with the Usos, let him build a character and maybe he can do a 360 and turn face again. Make him a dominant heel to piss off the smart fans, he could be champ and have great fueds with guys like Sami Zayn, Cesaro and the money feud would be Balor. As much as many of us find Balor boring, he is the perfect guy to give the "spot". Kids and women love him, he's very marketable already with a top selling shirt, and the smart fans won't completely crap on him, at least not for a while.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 31, 2017 11:49:06 GMT -5
JBL is such an asshole. At least Triple H and Vince are nice about it when they say this shit.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Mar 31, 2017 11:49:25 GMT -5
So the heel announcer is "shooting" in defense of a guy who is mostly booed but still presented as a face. The fan-surrogate babyface on the show then backs up the heel and criticizes the fans.
Just book faces and heels correctly, you goddamn lunatics, and you wouldn't have these problems. Imagine if the announcers/hosts of yesteryear pulled this nonsensical shit back in the day.
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 31, 2017 11:50:28 GMT -5
I have said for a while now that The Shield guys remind me a lot of The Freebirds in that they are not really main event level guys on their own (well, Gordy was in Japan) and that as a trio they hide each other's weaknesses. Hayes ran his mouth and was the leader, Roberts hit you from behind and instigated, Gordy cleaned house. Perfect. With The Shield Ambrose was the initial leader and ran his mouth, Rollins did a lot of the actual in ring work, Reigns cleaned house. From the earliest days of Reigns's push there has been a weird contradictory nature to it. It's like WWE wanted you to buy into Seth Rollins as The Authority's hand picked guy yet also noted that Reigns was WWE's actual hand picked guy. At least with Cena they sort of downplayed a lot of the "WWE are evil executives" stuff for the bulk of his push, or at least never really did much in the way of Cena fighting The Man. But how can Reigns be a believable fighter of authority when it has been clearly mentioned on TV that he is management's choice? I've always held the opinion that this whole thing would've been avoided had it been Reigns who turned heel instead of Rollins. I mean, it was such an obvious decision and you could've built Reigns as the monster enforcer of The Authority while also building Rollins and Ambrose as actual faces instead of another chickenshit heel in Rollins and... whatever Ambrose was after going solo.
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Mar 31, 2017 11:56:05 GMT -5
Apparently they did not watch last year's Wrestlemania main event. It's pretty bold to say that 100,000 people in one place are wrong.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Mar 31, 2017 11:58:44 GMT -5
WWE has a show where JBL, some annoying f***, and, to a lesser degree, Corey Graves shit on the fans and their opinions.
Is WWE the only form of entertainment to have such open disdain for their fan base?
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Post by ayumidah on Mar 31, 2017 12:06:49 GMT -5
He's not the first to say it. Won't be the last.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 31, 2017 12:08:09 GMT -5
Casual reminder that JBL is a bad person.
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