Bub (BLM)
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Fed. Up.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 31, 2017 12:08:49 GMT -5
Why would you air something shitting all over the only people watching the program? It's like they're begging people to stop being customers. Insane.
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Post by willywonka666 on Mar 31, 2017 12:13:23 GMT -5
Roman is no Hulk Hogan, BUT this is kind of like what was going on with WCW and Hogan 20 something years ago, and they weren't accepting him anymore for the most part.
and this led to him joining the nWo, but no one has close to an idea that good in WWE
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 31, 2017 12:14:03 GMT -5
There has to be a reason why they feel like they have to have so much contempt for their critics, instead of trying to come to a compromise of sorts.
I notice here that they never mention how fans were not finished with supporting Daniel Bryan as the main guy, which HAD to be one of the main factors behind the whole thing with Reigns.
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Perd
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Post by Perd on Mar 31, 2017 12:21:01 GMT -5
WWE doesn't deserve the loyalty its fanbase has for it. They often blatantly flip off the fans, because they know they can get away with.
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Post by eJm on Mar 31, 2017 12:22:18 GMT -5
There has to be a reason why they feel like they have to have so much contempt for their critics, instead of trying to come to a compromise of sorts. I notice here that they never mention how fans were not finished with supporting Daniel Bryan as the main guy, which HAD to be one of the main factors behind the whole thing with Reigns. Didn't JBL try to say on the last episode that nobody was going to root for Daniel Bryan anymore after he won the title because he wasn't the underdog anymore and that he also had a hot wife (because that obviously has anything to do with it but anyway)?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 31, 2017 12:23:42 GMT -5
WWE doesn't deserve the loyalty its fanbase has for it. They often blatantly flip off the fans, because they know they can get away with. and yet they can't figure out why viewership is dropping.
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Post by corndog on Mar 31, 2017 12:27:22 GMT -5
There has to be a reason why they feel like they have to have so much contempt for their critics, instead of trying to come to a compromise of sorts. I notice here that they never mention how fans were not finished with supporting Daniel Bryan as the main guy, which HAD to be one of the main factors behind the whole thing with Reigns. It definitely was a HUGE factor for people crapping on Reigns. They chose Daniel and their "compromise" was Bryan winning the IC title which became a "meh" moment. The timing was terrible for Reigns, and if they actually waited a year or two and just came close to having Reigns win the Rumble few times, it might have actually worked. Why you would have a face win a Rumble that Daniel lost is beyond me, especially after the Sheamus/Bryan squash match was what pushed the "Yes" movement into full gear and forced Sheamus to be a heel.
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Post by Corre.222 on Mar 31, 2017 12:30:53 GMT -5
WWE is getting bold now that there's no WCW breathing down their neck, and TNA is putting up a whimper of a fight
At times, WWE can be as stupid as TNA. What separates WWE is that they aren't stupid as TNA all the time.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Mar 31, 2017 12:33:37 GMT -5
Reigns isn't getting over because he has no identity. He doesn't stand for anything. Hogan was a patriot, Austin was an everyman fighting the system, Cena was a role model, etc. Reigns is forced cool bullshit and it's phony.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 31, 2017 12:38:18 GMT -5
Reigns isn't getting over because he has no identity. He doesn't stand for anything. Hogan was a patriot, Austin was an everyman fighting the system, Cena was a role model, etc. Reigns is forced cool bullshit and it's phony. forced cool bullshit... or wacky catchphrase guy... or silent badass... or anti-authority face... or... whatever else we can think of this week.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 31, 2017 12:40:57 GMT -5
Reigns isn't getting over because he has no identity. He doesn't stand for anything. Hogan was a patriot, Austin was an everyman fighting the system, Cena was a role model, etc. Reigns is forced cool bullshit and it's phony. Dude's TV character is a Frankenstein monster. He's so much of someone else and there's none of him coming through. And you know what the sad thing is? Dude seems really damn cool away from the TV character. I've got his interview from Talk Is Jericho this week going at the moment and he sounds like such a cool guy. It's why I feel bad for Reigns as opposed to hating him.
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Post by eJm on Mar 31, 2017 12:48:22 GMT -5
Reigns isn't getting over because he has no identity. He doesn't stand for anything. Hogan was a patriot, Austin was an everyman fighting the system, Cena was a role model, etc. Reigns is forced cool bullshit and it's phony. Dude's TV character is a Frankenstein monster. He's so much of someone else and there's none of him coming through. And you know what the sad thing is? Dude seems really damn cool away from the TV character. I've got his interview from Talk Is Jericho this week going at the moment and he sounds like such a cool guy. It's why I feel bad for Reigns as opposed to hating him. Yeah, I've said this before, I hold none of Reigns' push to Reigns himself mostly because he does seem like a cool dude outside of the show. Heck, if we're talking about his "finest moment", he's bottom of the list of my reasons the 2015 Royal Rumble match sucked as much as it did. Top being "We're jobbing our entire roster to two guys from the Attitude Era and the guy we want to win only got rid of them because they bickered like children".
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Mar 31, 2017 12:48:53 GMT -5
Idk about anyone else but why I don't enjoy RR in his current role is because there are so many guys more talented in different areas, whether it's inring (AJ, Cesaro, Seth, Sami etc) or as a character (Bray, Harper, Dean, Joe etc) or on the mic (most guys superior to Roman)
Bland character, subpar mic skills, good worker, okay look...what should be so special about him?
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Big Poppa Pumpkin
Dennis Stamp
I'll be in the back polishing............ my belt.
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Post by Big Poppa Pumpkin on Mar 31, 2017 12:49:56 GMT -5
If this upsets you, stop giving them money, otherwise you are 100% the sucker they see you as.
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Post by madness50 on Mar 31, 2017 13:01:48 GMT -5
I wish somebody would show Mr. Leghorn the TV ratings over the past year. I want to like Reigns in all honesty, but WWE has done such a piss poor job building him up since he came back from his injury in December 2014.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Mar 31, 2017 13:09:28 GMT -5
There's the problem. It's not Reigns' fault or that he isn't talented or that he hasn't earned his spot. The problem is all in the presentation. They can't figure out if they want him to be this conquering worldbeater or a vulnerable babyface. They don't know if they want him to be a wisecracking babyface or a smug heel. And at first, the crowd was just kind of like "So, uh, what do you want us to do here?" And eventually, they got sick of it and started booing night after night. Like, "shit or get off the pot in how you want to present this guy to us, we're sick of this". And at this point it's almost too late for Roman to get an organic and real response from the audience because the people booking this shit have no idea what they want, which is really a shame because it's not like he's dogshit in the ring, he's a solid worker. He's just horribly, horribly booked, dare I say worse than Cena during his first title reign.
And please Rosenburg, show me one shred of evidence that the audience picked Reigns specifically. Seriously. I'll sit here and wait.
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Sicho100
Hank Scorpio
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Post by Sicho100 on Mar 31, 2017 13:13:42 GMT -5
I'm all for shitting on JBL, but he's a well-known brain-dead moron. Pointing it out gets boring after awhile.
So, I want to focus on Rosenberg's dumbshittery.
He defends Reigns as the guy because he was at the Shield's debut. I feel like I don't need to explain why that's remarkably poor evidence that The Fans chose Roman.
Now, as the Shield continued, Reigns did get over! As did Seth and Dean. Because the act was over. And since the Shield split up, Seth and Dean have redefined themselves (though they both have been bungled). Reigns though, hasn't really changed his act. The Shield act ended three years ago, but Reigns hasn't found a new act.
But yeah, it's those hypocritical fans, turning on a guy just because the WWE got behind him too!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 13:16:40 GMT -5
Man am I glad I don't give WWE a single penny of my cash because I would be incredibly annoyed at this. WWE: F*** you Internet fans......Please pay us 9.99 a month for the internet network we provide The problem is, too many other internet fans will get insulted and keep giving their money to Vince. If the shows are sold out and business is good, of course Vince isn't going to care about crowd reactions. Stockholm syndrome. Seriously, that's the only thing I can think of with wrestling fans. I know it's a habit. I broke it in 2002. It can be done. Vince had such a hard on for Shawn but still changed course because of business. Force him to change course again or prepare for Cena part II. I keep rooting for this company to slide so they actually do change but Vince could take a dump in the ring for 3 hours and 10 minutes and it would still draw 3 million every quarter hour. It's crazy.
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Post by sportatorium on Mar 31, 2017 13:21:53 GMT -5
I firmly believe that Cena remaining a babyface and Reigns being the heir apparent is 100% attributable to their nature as a publicly traded company. They identify their "main character" to their investors and that is who they're committed to. Changing that position is dangerous for them, no different than if they committed to reducing operating expenses and realized halfway through that they no longer needed the same levels of reduction- they have to follow through.
This is going to trickle down throughout the company, so with all due respect to JBL, I don't believe for a second that these are your independent thoughts for a second.
Bottom line- if Reigns had gone over Batista at the end of the royal rumble, he would likely be perceived differently. Reigns going over Daniel Bryan a year later has likely permanently damaged this iteration of his character and someone over there should probably be the one to raise their hand and admit they have gotten it wrong.
He's very good in the ring and has a great presence and look. He could even be the top guy, just needs to take a step or two back at this point.
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pegasuswarrior
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 31, 2017 13:24:39 GMT -5
His opinion has zero weight with me anymore. It really didn't from the beginning, really, so nothing's changed. Yeah. Which is why weeks later I'm still shaking my head at so many people's attempts to s*** all over Ranello. If any of the broadcast team deserves an 10-plus page disgust thread, it's this sack of worthless dung.
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