Lupin the Third
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Post by Lupin the Third on Mar 31, 2017 17:24:46 GMT -5
But then this is, I think, a huge problem with wrestling insiders also. I don't give a shit who has 'earned' anything. If the fans love you, they love you. The Rock was the biggest star in the industry within three years of going pro. He didn't earn shit. He didn't lose an ear in Germany or wrestle under a hood in Japan or nearly get knifed in Mexico or job out to Ultimate Warrior at Mania. Why would you not just push the guy that most fans want to see?Exactly. To me, you "earn" a main event push by getting over. That's it. If the fans love you, you've earned that spot. Sami Zayn.
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Gus Richlen Was Wrong
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Mar 31, 2017 19:13:52 GMT -5
What of those of us who actually do want him as a top guy? Contrary to how you feel sometimes about this forum, a lot of us would be cool with Roman as a top guy. Nepotism aside, he has a look, charisma, promo skills, and a competent moveset as a performer. The problem is that WWE is schizophrenic about how to book him, yet don't seem to let him try something of his own volition. Most of what he does is the company saying so & not Roman. Heels typically can color outside the lines & he could experiment with new ideas instead of Vince and Hunter trying to jam that square peg into a round hole and then blame everybody else when it doesn't work. Once he finds what works, then you can transition him back to good guy. Can't be any worse than how Rollins has been handled for the past 3 years. I'm on my phone so I can't link to it yet but he (Roman) did an interview recently where he said he actually prefers the mixed reactions. So maybe it isn't just Vince who doesn't want to pull the trigger. Granted, I believe it's happening on Sunday anyway but still.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Mar 31, 2017 19:45:02 GMT -5
WWE hasn't gotten a penny from me in years now.
Shit like this is why. And I WANT to spend money on the product and enjoy it. They would literally have to put zero effort in to get me back. But they put negative effort in. My crew didn't even bother with a Rumble party this year. We always do a Rumble party.
But they're so Network reliant now that they can afford to make the current TV a fanbase-insulting vanity piece because so many people will still pony up for the archive, as if even WWE seem to see the archive as the purpose for the £9.99 and Raw/SD is becoming the sideline pet project- "We've given you all this archive content, be grateful and accept our current TV product dammit it's the least you can do!"
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 31, 2017 20:09:47 GMT -5
Anytime I see threads like this, I initially get a positive vibe thinking "hey, maybe people are tiring of putting up with the way WWE handles itself", but then I get sad when I realize that many people here stop watching WWE and then just leave, rather than seeking out a wrestling alternative.
So, a friendly public service reminder: there's more to wrestling than WWE. And it isn't hard to access!
NJPW may currently have the best product on the planet. They have a weekly show on Axs TV and a Network-like subscription service that's cheaper than WWE's.
Lucha Underground redefines wrestling as a genre, and can be found on El Rey network, Netflix(!), and iTunes.
ROH has a solid weekly show that's available for free on their website, plus worthwhile PPV cards and a pay service that gets you some access to their archives.
FloSlam has options. Other indies now offer streaming services, as do many British companies. PWG has Battle of Los Angeles every year.
Whatever you're paying to watch WWE now, you can spend on lots of frankly superior alternatives. Don't quit the business, don't quit the board, just find a new outlet, and maybe join some of the chat over in the (w)rest section; hope is not lost.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 31, 2017 20:18:24 GMT -5
The most surreal thing about it is that they are doing it on a service that is pretty much entirely for the hardcore/internet fans because they seem to be the ones who are paying for the service properly and not just jumping in and out from long term trials and such. There are much bigger organisations that make way more money who shouldn't be respectful to fans, going by WWE logic, but are. Disney pretty much set up D23, both the expo and the fan club, in tribute to those fans. I just wish wrestling fans can vote with there wallets or remotes better. Like if the main event is Roman Reigns vs. Kevin Owens for the billionth time and there's only about 10 minutes left the show just change the channel and turn off the TV and read the results an hour later to see if you missed something and if you did watch it later. Or people in the crowd start leaving earlier so they can get some last minute merch and beat the traffic. Or go in droves for a bathroom/merch/food break during a Reigns match or promo if's in the middle of the card. Like I said earlier before I feel like I enjoy WWE more then the average person on FAN but yet I feel like I watch a lot less and spend a lot lot less on the WWE then most of the negative people here. Some of the most negative vocal fans are the ones that post on every live show thread, make the most amount of threads and posts after a show is over, use there vacation time for Wrestlemania/SummerSlam/Royal Rumble weekends, watch the most amount of Network shows, use social networking to tweet about WWE when the show is going on, and buy the most merch. And that's why they keep pushing guys like Reigns or part timers we are sick off because they know they can get away with this because there is still a constant stream of cash flow. But yeah it kind of boggles me because instead of posting about your displeasure as protest, just watch something else instead. Watch other forms of wrestling, a new show, get a DVR, get some new hobbies, spend less, post less to keep them less socially active, actively change the channel when Roman or Goldberg or Lesnar is on, etc. Like I never seen a company that seems to despise it's customers so much but on the flip side I never seen a fanbase so loyal and committed to "Hate Watching" at the same time. you could replace every instance of "WWE" with "X-men" and it would be the exact same thing lol.
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Post by Ash Kingston on Mar 31, 2017 21:39:51 GMT -5
Exactly. To me, you "earn" a main event push by getting over. That's it. If the fans love you, you've earned that spot. Sami Zayn. Sami could be the perfect underdog face for Raw, fighting against the constant bullshittery of the Authority, if they didn't book him the way they do. I know people want Roman to be drafted to Smackdown, but honestly, Sami needs it way more.
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Post by corndog on Mar 31, 2017 23:47:48 GMT -5
Anytime I see threads like this, I initially get a positive vibe thinking "hey, maybe people are tiring of putting up with the way WWE handles itself", but then I get sad when I realize that many people here stop watching WWE and then just leave, rather than seeking out a wrestling alternative. So, a friendly public service reminder: there's more to wrestling than WWE. And it isn't hard to access! NJPW may currently have the best product on the planet. They have a weekly show on Axs TV and a Network-like subscription service that's cheaper than WWE's. Lucha Underground redefines wrestling as a genre, and can be found on El Rey network, Netflix(!), and iTunes. ROH has a solid weekly show that's available for free on their website, plus worthwhile PPV cards and a pay service that gets you some access to their archives. FloSlam has options. Other indies now offer streaming services, as do many British companies. PWG has Battle of Los Angeles every year. Whatever you're paying to watch WWE now, you can spend on lots of frankly superior alternatives. Don't quit the business, don't quit the board, just find a new outlet, and maybe join some of the chat over in the (w)rest section; hope is not lost. Great post, I couldn't agree more. There is so much good wrestling out there, a lot of it very accessible. I definitely agree on the top three you mentioned, most of all NJPW, which is fantastic with ridiculously good matches now with an English website, tv program and many major shows with English commentary. Lucha Underground is incredibly entertaining, but I will say to new viewers, you will be lost for a few episodes if you don't start from the beginning. I highly suggest the FITE tv app for any wrestling fan. I just got it a few weeks ago, because NESN is terrible at consistently airing ROH. They have weekly tv shows from several promotions on there including ROH and ICW. If you have a Roku you can watch it on tv from the phone app with no other apps or add ons and it's a free app.
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 31, 2017 23:58:24 GMT -5
Anytime I see threads like this, I initially get a positive vibe thinking "hey, maybe people are tiring of putting up with the way WWE handles itself", but then I get sad when I realize that many people here stop watching WWE and then just leave, rather than seeking out a wrestling alternative. So, a friendly public service reminder: there's more to wrestling than WWE. And it isn't hard to access! NJPW may currently have the best product on the planet. They have a weekly show on Axs TV and a Network-like subscription service that's cheaper than WWE's. Lucha Underground redefines wrestling as a genre, and can be found on El Rey network, Netflix(!), and iTunes. ROH has a solid weekly show that's available for free on their website, plus worthwhile PPV cards and a pay service that gets you some access to their archives. FloSlam has options. Other indies now offer streaming services, as do many British companies. PWG has Battle of Los Angeles every year. Whatever you're paying to watch WWE now, you can spend on lots of frankly superior alternatives. Don't quit the business, don't quit the board, just find a new outlet, and maybe join some of the chat over in the (w)rest section; hope is not lost. I've actually started watching Lucha Underground on Netflix. It's some good shit.
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Post by mizerable on Apr 1, 2017 0:01:21 GMT -5
The only way they're ever going to listen is when you tune out.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 1, 2017 0:34:57 GMT -5
JBL has to be the biggest thunderc*** currently employed by WWE. Absolutely no redeeming qualities about him as a human being whatsoever.
And Rosenberg made his name as an internet wrestling fan so he needs to pipe down a bit and realize his shit doesn't smell any rosier than any of ours here on this forum. What? Does he think he's our official spokesperson and that we should follow his lead. Tell you what, Peter, repeat that "The fans chose Reigns" line enough and see if the rest of Orlando follows your lead if and when Reigns pins The Undertaker clean as a babyface this sunday by cheering him. Maybe they'll have a collective epiphany and remember this fantasy world that you speak of where Reigns was always their darling and welcome him as the conquering hero that WWE wants them to see him as. However, if they don't listen to you and boo him to bits like I and many others think they will, then you need to realize that it is you who's full of it and keep your mouth shut you think yourself the "IWC's" avatar.
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Post by Reflecto on Apr 1, 2017 0:51:58 GMT -5
But then this is, I think, a huge problem with wrestling insiders also. I don't give a shit who has 'earned' anything. If the fans love you, they love you. The Rock was the biggest star in the industry within three years of going pro. He didn't earn shit. He didn't lose an ear in Germany or wrestle under a hood in Japan or nearly get knifed in Mexico or job out to Ultimate Warrior at Mania. Why would you not just push the guy that most fans want to see?Exactly. To me, you "earn" a main event push by getting over. That's it. If the fans love you, you've earned that spot. The problem though, is that the fans just like too many people, top to bottom. There's a level of how many people that are kind of liked by the roster that eventually the roster goes to "The fans want to see SOMEONE ELSE. They don't want anyone as the top face of the company, because they don't WANT a TOP FACE or TOP HEEL of the company. They want it to be like ECW in the dying days, and have Roman Reigns as champ, but he's able to go 50/50 with everyone down to James Ellsworth and everyone being able to be a top star." If that sounds like whining, it's not exactly- because if other people MATTERED like Roman Reigns does, and everyone on the roster had something to do, then maybe the fans would accept Roman Reigns more if their favorite was treated like they're special too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 1:30:33 GMT -5
Rosenberg is usually pretty reasonable. I don't know what in the blue f*** he was talking about there though. How the hell did the fans choose Reigns?
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 1, 2017 1:58:50 GMT -5
I stopped listening to Rosenberg's wrestling podcast because he was a douchebag and that comment on this show made me turn it off too. I will be cancelling my subscription after WM on Sunday and won't be tuning in anymore, especially because I'm such a stupid fan. Honestly, don't wait until after Mania, do it now. I realised I was only subscribed to the network out of nostalgia and for NXT, but the company's toxic mindset towards the people that have kept it afloat finilized my decision to unsubscribe last month. The only way things will change is with a huge loss of us stupid fans. I'll always love talking about wrestling even if it's to mock it (holy shit I'm Bret Hart), but the current product doesn't deserve my money anymore.
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Post by Kalmia on Apr 1, 2017 4:14:15 GMT -5
Playing devil's advocate here, even if the fans had chosen Roman Reigns over Ambrose and Rollins... they're not allowed to change their minds? Should the fans have stuck with chanting "Die Rocky Die" forever too? What a BS statement.
I hope that when Roman comes out at Wrestlemania, and if he wins, he's just met with deafening silence. It'd be fun to see the announce team try and spin that one.
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Post by Corre.222 on Apr 1, 2017 4:28:56 GMT -5
WWE pushing reigns as the next big baby face is like a guy asking for a girl's phone number 2000 times, thinking pushing it more would work. They have to turn him heel to make the eventual transition to babyface more organic
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 1, 2017 5:11:50 GMT -5
It's trending the highest it's been that big spike in 2014, which I think was the first release of Network subscription numbers, the renegotiating of the TV deal or some combination of both.
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Post by FAR5222 on Apr 1, 2017 7:40:13 GMT -5
It's meaningless to them but I'm not watching Takeover or Mania found something else to go do/watch. The whole product sucks. The wrestling matches I'm desensitized from. They do the same stuff and don't experiment. The matches have bad flows and only peaks at the last five minutes which is annoying. The characters suck because they don't properly write them within their boundaries and their traits are off the wall from what they are portraying.
It's not WWE only, wrestling as a business shits on their fans and laughs at them for the way we/they act. We are not the best fans but f*** we are the most loyal sons of bitches out there.
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Post by Jiren on Apr 1, 2017 7:41:05 GMT -5
I wish UK got the wrestling channel back and put stuff like Lucha Underground & NJPW on there.
Hell even add some UK wrestling & Shoots
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Post by nisidhe on Apr 1, 2017 8:06:47 GMT -5
It's trending the highest it's been that big spike in 2014, which I think was the first release of Network subscription numbers, the renegotiating of the TV deal or some combination of both. The elephants in the living room here is the company's stock portfolio and the film production division, neither of which are outlined specifically in the report. How much of WWE's income is now derived from its own holdings of other companies' stock? How much of it is coming from its films? I'm willing to wager that a growing proportion of the company's income and profits is coming from those two areas rather than the primary product. This gives the company far more leeway to disregard the audience, its nominal customer base. It's become the way of a lot of businesses, from manufacturers to service providers. The side income from stock holdings has become higher-value, and higher-profit, than actually conducting the business for which the company came into being in the first place. The problem with such a strategy, of course, is that it ultimately fails in the long-term because a company's reputation comes from its initial purpose and, if a company fails to deliver in that area, its marketability as a holding company will start to flounder as well (see Sears, Roebuck.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 8:37:15 GMT -5
I think people have to reframe what the expect when they stop watching the WWE.
It's harder to really distance yourself from it if you break away with the expectation that it'll get better. That's fine, even I had that at first.
If you really want to stop watching it, you've got to disavow yourself of the notion they'll ever get better.
You have to stop watching because **** them. They'll never get better regardless of what you do. Spend time watching things where the people who make it at least don't outwardly hate you for it. Your free time and money is more valuable than their shit.
The responsibility is upon them to entice you to spend your time watching them when you literally could be doing anything else.
No, seriously. If you want to stop watching them, step one is to stop expecting that to have any effect on what they'll do.
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