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Post by The Kevstaaa on Apr 5, 2017 17:52:37 GMT -5
Brock in their first Hell in a Cell.
Foley several times.
Jeff Hardy. People always mention the 2002 ladder match, but he also put him over in an Extreme Rules match on Smackdown during Jeff's mega push in the late 2000's.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Apr 5, 2017 18:00:49 GMT -5
Michelle McCool.
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Oh, you said "make"! My bad.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 5, 2017 18:00:49 GMT -5
- Foley. Lost the first 2 PPV matches against Mankind, so that even broken down Mankind in 1999 was being bought as a credible threat to Taker years later. - Kane. - Rock. Rocky says his (relatively clean) pinfall win over Taker around September 98 (which Taker changed from a DQ win) was the moment crowds and Vince saw him as an imminent WWF Champ. - the Acolytes. Lost in the shuffle, team with Taker, come out the other side one of the most over teams in the company for years. - Austin - Attitude era cleanly at Summerslam 98, and clean clean on RAW, July 99 for the title both times. - HHH - Hard to underestimate how much the whole Taker/HHH disension storyline helped cmeent HHH as main event material in Summer 1999. He went from wrestling Road Dogg to winning the title inside 4 months. - Flair. Won the match, but made Flair look great, and basically gave Ric his mojo back. - Jeff Hardy. Made a messed up Hardy look a title threat in their ladder match. - Angle. Wrestled him for the title in 2002 a few times, and again in 2006 - always made Angle look a step above himself, where he needed wiles to get through, tapped once iirc, and lost clean to him on PPV. - Brock. Unquestionable. First PPV match, Brock was the equal to Taker. Second, Cell match, Brock's far superior. I remember both live, pretty much Brock was a made man after that Cell match. Not to speak of later when he, you know, ended the streak. - Batista - Was either shown to be the equal or better than Taker, won a clean title match on PPV, and had the better head to head on him - when people went into the series assuming Batista was a bust flush and came out thinking he was pretty great. That's off the top of my head. Austin and Flair? Wha???
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Post by slaughterama on Apr 5, 2017 18:21:23 GMT -5
He was an integral part of the company for 25 years. The argument whether he ever actually "made" a specific wrestler has no right or wrong answer, but it's hard to think of anyone that had a program with him that didn't get a chance to make something out of it.
Kane? After two failed gimmicks, got a Hall of Fame career, and will go down a one of the best big men ever, out of playing Taker's brother. Also, involved in some of the worst angles ever, but usually rebounded after getting hooked up with or against Taker to revive himself. Foley? The most iconic moment of his career, and the thing he is asked about every day of his life, involves Taker. It's hard to think of the Mankind character evolving and thriving in WWE without that Taker feud. Austin? Sure his 3:16 promo, his match with Bret, and feud with McMahon all helped "make" him the biggest star of his era, but the Taker interactions certainly didn't hurt. Brock? Brock would have been huge regardless, but Taker putting him over was a huge part of Brock's rise. Jeff? Again, Jeff's style would eventually have gotten him over if given the mega-push, but everyone always points to that match with Taker as the moment where Jeff could be bought as a main eventer.
A lot of other guys may not have been "made" by Taker, but owe a debt of thanks to Taker for programs that added to their legacies: Bret, Shawn, Orton, Angle, HHH, Batista, Edge, Rock...
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Apr 5, 2017 18:34:40 GMT -5
He made a bunch of fans admit they sleep with their own sister. What?
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Post by Manute Bol on Apr 5, 2017 18:42:30 GMT -5
Paul Bearer wouldn't have lasted nearly as long in the WWE without The Undertaker.
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Post by Lazy peon on Apr 5, 2017 18:55:13 GMT -5
He made a bunch of fans admit they sleep with their own sister. What? Exactly.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Apr 5, 2017 19:01:28 GMT -5
Foley made Undertaker. Not the other way around. This is not a knock on Taker btw. As an Andre type special attraction that was never his job. His job was to be the special attraction. Now post 1997 or so did he make some guys? I mean he worked with other main event guys and always put them over clean when asked but I can't really say he "made" Shawn Michaels in 1997 after he had been booked as a star for two years. I say Foley made Taker because Mick had the cred from the beginning with the gimmick and his finish that fans bought that that guy could beat a supernatural zombie. In turn it gave Undertaker a chance to show off more of what he could do as a wrestler than what he could do with Kamala, King Kong Bundy, et. al.
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Post by Squirrel Master on Apr 5, 2017 19:49:08 GMT -5
How many random ass big stiffs and flavors of the month did he have to put over or try and make look good? He didnwhat he could for a lot of those guys but they wjerent goin to be much in the long run Like giant Gonzalez, Koslov, Khali ...Mordecai, Luther Reigns, Chuck Palumbo...
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Post by r. on Apr 5, 2017 19:52:26 GMT -5
me,famous.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 5, 2017 19:54:11 GMT -5
How many random ass big stiffs and flavors of the month did he have to put over or try and make look good? He didnwhat he could for a lot of those guys but they wjerent goin to be much in the long run Like giant Gonzalez, Koslov, Khali ...Mordecai, Luther Reigns, Chuck Palumbo... he never faced off with Mordecai.
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Post by edgestar on Apr 5, 2017 19:54:40 GMT -5
The popcorn machine
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Post by Squirrel Master on Apr 5, 2017 20:00:14 GMT -5
...Mordecai, Luther Reigns, Chuck Palumbo... he never faced off with Mordecai. I stand corrected. I think thats where they were heading with Mordecai before he faded into oblivion.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 5, 2017 20:01:23 GMT -5
he never faced off with Mordecai. I stand corrected. I think thats where they were heading with Mordecai before he faded into oblivion. My guess is they were probably angling for a mania match against the two. Though the last thing I remember him doing was cutting a promo against Eddie who was the champ.
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Post by segaz on Apr 5, 2017 20:44:02 GMT -5
Jeff wasn't in main events regularly until 2008. How can Taker be given credit for that? People here mistake put over for get over. That list earlier, someone put Austin, undertaker did not make Austin a success. Bret Hart arguably did that along with Austin and McMahon himself. It's hard to think of a match where undertaker really made someone. Jeff got a lot of respect for his match but.... was that match really a huge part of his success? Maybe we can say undertaker made Yokozuna? I think there's an argument to be made with the mankind character, which Foley built off of with his cactus Jack and dude love character. I think we all know Brock was legitimate even without the undertaker feud. It's easier to list people undertaker helped rather than outright made.
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Post by Jam on Apr 5, 2017 21:31:32 GMT -5
Jeff wasn't in main events regularly until 2008. How can Taker be given credit for that? People here mistake put over for get over. That list earlier, someone put Austin, undertaker did not make Austin a success. Bret Hart arguably did that along with Austin and McMahon himself. It's hard to think of a match where undertaker really made someone. Jeff got a lot of respect for his match but.... was that match really a huge part of his success? Maybe we can say undertaker made Yokozuna? I think there's an argument to be made with the mankind character, which Foley built off of with his cactus Jack and dude love character. I think we all know Brock was legitimate even without the undertaker feud. It's easier to list people undertaker helped rather than outright made. I had mentioned Mankind in a post I made earlier so I'll explain my reasoning on that one. Foley was a made dude already thanks to his programs with Sting and Vader and his amazing run in ECW. But that was Cactus Jack. Coming into WWF he was basically back at the starting line. Yeah he got the job because of his work as Cactus Jack but after that there were no guarantees. As far as Vince was concerned once he signed none of his previous work mattered. Obviously that would change later. They had faith in his abilities to debut him in a big program with Undertaker. Just like a hundred other guys before him he was probably just supposed to be another monster for Undertaker to slay. I honestly think if Mankinds first program was with Ahmed Johnson or anyone else really, his WWF career would have gone very differently. Working with Undertaker made him in WWF. Undertaker didn't make Mick Foley or Cactus Jack but it's hard to argue against him not making Mankind. Without his feud with Undertaker I think it's unlikely Mick would have had as good a run in WWF as he did.
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Post by Juice on Apr 5, 2017 22:00:18 GMT -5
Its easier to name people who didn't benefit from a program with Taker
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Post by Jam on Apr 5, 2017 22:11:15 GMT -5
Its easier to name people who didn't benefit from a program with Taker CM Punk immediately came to mind reading your post. Man that 2 month program they had sucked so hard. What a let down. When I found out they were going to be working together I was so excited. After their first match I never wanted to see them wrestle each other ever again.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 5, 2017 22:11:58 GMT -5
Its easier to name people who didn't benefit from a program with Taker KroniK
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 5, 2017 22:18:19 GMT -5
- Foley. Lost the first 2 PPV matches against Mankind, so that even broken down Mankind in 1999 was being bought as a credible threat to Taker years later. - Kane. - Rock. Rocky says his (relatively clean) pinfall win over Taker around September 98 (which Taker changed from a DQ win) was the moment crowds and Vince saw him as an imminent WWF Champ. - the Acolytes. Lost in the shuffle, team with Taker, come out the other side one of the most over teams in the company for years. - Austin - Attitude era cleanly at Summerslam 98, and clean clean on RAW, July 99 for the title both times. - HHH - Hard to underestimate how much the whole Taker/HHH disension storyline helped cmeent HHH as main event material in Summer 1999. He went from wrestling Road Dogg to winning the title inside 4 months. - Flair. Won the match, but made Flair look great, and basically gave Ric his mojo back. - Jeff Hardy. Made a messed up Hardy look a title threat in their ladder match. - Angle. Wrestled him for the title in 2002 a few times, and again in 2006 - always made Angle look a step above himself, where he needed wiles to get through, tapped once iirc, and lost clean to him on PPV. - Brock. Unquestionable. First PPV match, Brock was the equal to Taker. Second, Cell match, Brock's far superior. I remember both live, pretty much Brock was a made man after that Cell match. Not to speak of later when he, you know, ended the streak. - Batista - Was either shown to be the equal or better than Taker, won a clean title match on PPV, and had the better head to head on him - when people went into the series assuming Batista was a bust flush and came out thinking he was pretty great. That's off the top of my head. Austin and Flair? Wha??? I see the point about Flair. Going into the WWE 02 Flair was in a mental funk wondering if he still had it as a wrestler. This match gave Flair the conference again, as it was the first match he had against a real wrestler not Vince and he went toe to toe with him. So in that sense I get it. Angle he did also loss to him in Angle's first ever WWE title defense as World champion. I can kind of get Batista but he was MEer for some time before they faced because I remember how fans where not expecting anything great at WM 23 and they ended up having the MOTN at the show. After the show everyone praised it. HHH should get credit for Batista however.
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