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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on May 9, 2017 17:57:55 GMT -5
Thanks guys, this is a good discussion.
BTW, here is David Schwimmer saying 'Juice'
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on May 9, 2017 18:52:31 GMT -5
Thanks guys, this is a good discussion. BTW, here is David Schwimmer saying 'Juice' Dammit! going by the thumbnail, I thought that was the scene where he said Kardashians believe being good people is more important than being famous (followed by Kim rolling his eyes). They should've won all the best comedy awards just for that scene
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 9, 2017 18:53:14 GMT -5
Not really. Still brutally stabbed two people to death.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 9, 2017 20:09:56 GMT -5
His behaviour surrounding the murders and then the armed robbery indicates deliberation and calculation. Look at the tapes of his interviews during the civil trial. This is a very evasive person concerned only for self-preservation and image. After the murder trial, when he found himself being shunned by his rich white friends, he suddenly developed a love for the black community. It was transparent pandering and cynicism. Doesn't seem to fit CTE.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 9, 2017 23:53:44 GMT -5
I am of the mind that OJ didn't kill Nicole or Ron. He does know who did it and is afraid to say names.
CTE is a contributing factor to a lot of aspects of the individual. I am not accepting of the matter of it being the sole reason someone resorts to murder.
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Post by 67 more on May 10, 2017 0:34:41 GMT -5
My opinion on the Benoit murders is that if Benoit hadnt killed himself and CTE was diagnosable when people are alive, it would be the difference between an insane asylum or a life sentence/death row. The action is NOT excusable but its the difference between someone being evil or someone desperately needing some sort of treatment.
If OJ had a diagnosable CTE, my opinion would be the same but it doesn't appear that he does. He's just a shithead.
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Post by 67 more on May 10, 2017 0:36:27 GMT -5
I am of the mind that OJ didn't kill Nicole or Ron. He does know who did it and is afraid to say names.
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Post by badkarma on May 10, 2017 1:00:56 GMT -5
At the time of the murders? Would your opinion of him change at all? No, because OJ Simpson never killed anyone, his oldest son Jason is the one responsible for the murders.
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Post by nm on May 10, 2017 2:20:15 GMT -5
The OJ stuff happened when I was like 3/4 years old. It wasn't till a couple years later I found out he was a hall of fame football player and I was all shocked
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Post by jagilki on May 10, 2017 3:22:31 GMT -5
well, if he had CTE then, he has it now, so... "He got better."
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 4:13:58 GMT -5
I am of the mind that OJ didn't kill Nicole or Ron. He does know who did it and is afraid to say names. CTE is a contributing factor to a lot of aspects of the individual. I am not accepting of the matter of it being the sole reason someone resorts to murder. Dude really? How come? That's not me mocking you. I'm really curious. I've never heard anyone make that argument before. Why do you think this?
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Post by sfvega on May 10, 2017 6:04:49 GMT -5
His behaviour surrounding the murders and then the armed robbery indicates deliberation and calculation. Look at the tapes of his interviews during the civil trial. This is a very evasive person concerned only for self-preservation and image. After the murder trial, when he found himself being shunned by his rich white friends, he suddenly developed a love for the black community. It was transparent pandering and cynicism. Doesn't seem to fit CTE. According to a decent amount of people (cops, friends, family), Nicole was of the belief that he would kill her eventually. He had many domestic disputes that ended with the cops being called. He was a very jealous, possessive person. These are characteristics of an abuser, not so much someone who was not in complete control mentally.
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Post by sfvega on May 10, 2017 6:06:43 GMT -5
I am of the mind that OJ didn't kill Nicole or Ron. He does know who did it and is afraid to say names. CTE is a contributing factor to a lot of aspects of the individual. I am not accepting of the matter of it being the sole reason someone resorts to murder. Dude really? How come? That's not me mocking you. I'm really curious. I've never heard anyone make that argument before. Why do you think this? There are a few theories out there that his son did it, but they've been pretty well disputed. It would be very hard to explain the OJ-centered evidence at the scene if someone else did do it.
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Post by mizerable on May 10, 2017 9:00:08 GMT -5
I mean CTE is stuff like dementia, Alzheimer, depression, mood swings etc. It's led to former players killing themselves. OJ played what...12-13 years of football at a position where you were going to get hit a lot. It's entirely possible he has CTE. Not to derail this thread, but I assume the reason this was attached to OJ was due to a general similarity to Benoit. Except I still don't accept that from Benoit as the reason. You can't tell me that committing multiple murders over the course of two days while openly calling or texting people about wrapping up loose ends is due to Alzheimer's or dementia. Even if it was temporary, it still doesn't explain why he tied Nancy up before he did it, because otherwise the circumstances would not show intent or malice. Maybe he meant to commit the murders in advance or maybe it was a domestic problem that got out of hand and he panicked. It happens a lot more often than you realize. Regardless, he was aware of what he was doing. Saying he wasn't in control would need to dismiss all of the other actions he took as far as flying home, the details of the deaths and everyone he contacted.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 10, 2017 9:14:50 GMT -5
My opinion on the Benoit murders is that if Benoit hadnt killed himself and CTE was diagnosable when people are alive, it would be the difference between an insane asylum or a life sentence/death row. The action is NOT excusable but its the difference between someone being evil or someone desperately needing some sort of treatment. If you allow me to put on my vague understanding of the law hat here... some of the stuff he did could be used to prove he showed remorse which means he knew what he did was wrong, and therefore not be considered criminally insane. He also was cognizant enough to talk with friends and make arrangements so the defense would have a hell of a time proving he was mentally unfit to stand trial as well.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 10, 2017 11:46:41 GMT -5
OJ's DNA was all over the place.
He did it.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 10, 2017 12:00:53 GMT -5
He had a fight with Nicole Brown that day, then his girlfriend broke up with him. He would have been stewing in his house all evening and finally thought "I'm sick of these bitches, especially Nicole, it's all her fault!". So he goes to her house and murders her. Ronald Goldman has the misfortune to show up at the wrong time, and he gets killed too.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on May 10, 2017 12:27:13 GMT -5
Still Negative.
I don't think he did it, but he committed the worse crime of indirectly bringing that stupid family to the public eye.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 10, 2017 12:58:26 GMT -5
I am of the mind that OJ didn't kill Nicole or Ron. He does know who did it and is afraid to say names. CTE is a contributing factor to a lot of aspects of the individual. I am not accepting of the matter of it being the sole reason someone resorts to murder. Dude really? How come? That's not me mocking you. I'm really curious. I've never heard anyone make that argument before. Why do you think this? It's a number of factors. 1) Motive, why would he want to kill Nicole or Ron? Okay, here is a man in OJ who, at the time, was fairly wealthy, popular, attractive, and had strong ties to the NFL as far as commercial appeal and being an analyst. Why would he be jealous of Nicole seeing another man? Now I understand everyone is different in their approach. OJ could've had any woman he wanted and odds are they would've been far more attractive than Nicole. I just don't see him wanting to murder the mother of his children in such a brutal and horrific fashion. Now I will say this for sure. If you're innocent you don't run from the police and you definitely don't write a book titled "If I Did It". I firmly believe the book deal was a horrible, horrible idea and he was under questionable legal representation at the time. Of course I have been wrong before and maybe even more now. But that's the first part of my belief. 2) The fact that he hasn't slipped up(as far as I know). He's in jail right now and I'd imagine at some point guilt would've gotten to him. 3) There were no signs of him being in a struggle. Nicole and Ron were both young, fairly athletic, and could've/would've put up some sort of a fight. OJ would've had more than just a scratch on his finger. There would've been scratches on his arm, face, bruising, or something. When two people are about to be murdered and unless he had help, there definitely would've been evidence of him being in a fight. 4) It would've surprise me one bit if OJ owed money via gambling or some other method, and murdering his ex wife and Goldman who just happened upon the scene was a message. Very similar to Michael Jordan's father being murdered where the mafia theory was indicated because of his gambling.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 10, 2017 13:09:55 GMT -5
Dude really? How come? That's not me mocking you. I'm really curious. I've never heard anyone make that argument before. Why do you think this? It's a number of factors. 1) Motive, why would he want to kill Nicole or Ron? Okay, here is a man in OJ who, at the time, was fairly wealthy, popular, attractive, and had strong ties to the NFL as far as commercial appeal and being an analyst. Why would he be jealous of Nicole seeing another man? Now I understand everyone is different in their approach. OJ could've had any woman he wanted and odds are they would've been far more attractive than Nicole. I just don't see him wanting to murder the mother of his children in such a brutal and horrific fashion. Now I will say this for sure. If you're innocent you don't run from the police and you definitely don't write a book titled "If I Did It". I firmly believe the book deal was a horrible, horrible idea and he was under questionable legal representation at the time. Of course I have been wrong before and maybe even more now. But that's the first part of my belief. 2) The fact that he hasn't slipped up(as far as I know). He's in jail right now and I'd imagine at some point guilt would've gotten to him. 3) There were no signs of him being in a struggle. Nicole and Ron were both young, fairly athletic, and could've/would've put up some sort of a fight. OJ would've had more than just a scratch on his finger. There would've been scratches on his arm, face, bruising, or something. When two people are about to be murdered and unless he had help, there definitely would've been evidence of him being in a fight. 4) It would've surprise me one bit if OJ owed money via gambling or some other method, and murdering his ex wife and Goldman who just happened upon the scene was a message. Very similar to Michael Jordan's father being murdered where the mafia theory was indicated because of his gambling. 1- He's a narcissist (no, not Lex). Being able to get other women doesn't matter. Nicole dumped him, and he couldn't handle that. 2- He's a sociopath. They don't feel guilt. 3- He was well built former NFL player with a knife. Neither victim would have been any match for him, particularly if they were caught by surprise. Once they've been stabbed, they would quickly weaken. 4- He had shitloads of money. That's how he was able to afford his legal team, and that's why he was living in a mansion in a high class LA neighbourhood. A mob hit also doesn't account for DNA evidence.
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