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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Oct 29, 2006 3:21:13 GMT -5
Y'know, the reason there's less nice guys left in the world is cause they're hardly ever appreciated. Because of this development, I'm turning heel
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2006 4:11:46 GMT -5
Y'know, the reason there's less nice guys left in the world is cause they're hardly ever appreciated. Because of this development, I'm turning heel which was the basis of my entire question...is a heel turn in order?
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Post by @TenaciousBe on Oct 29, 2006 4:35:11 GMT -5
No heel turns... just be a tweener. No big insults, no cheap heat... just think Bret Hart in WCW when he was sort of with the nwo but not really but he still kept you wondering... yeah.
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Post by K7 - WC's Crowd Extra on Oct 29, 2006 4:40:14 GMT -5
How does one misuse themself?
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Post by Loki on Oct 29, 2006 7:38:19 GMT -5
How does one misuse themself? By booking yourself in stupid angles that'll get you nowhere... Seriously, the "heel turn" isn't the answer. Especially if you know you can't play the role 24/7/365 in a convincing way. It'll show you're trying too hard and the effect will be even worse than being a plain, boring nice guy. Me, being a nice guy myself, and fully aware of my inability to be something else, I've just learned to live with it. The problem is when you start jobbing to other good guys
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Post by nisi on Oct 29, 2006 8:03:59 GMT -5
It's not that you have to treat women like crap, but there has to be more of an even exchange, and she's the one treating you like crap now. The girl who calls you "girl-like" to your face is just not that into you; she's insulting you to make sure the relationship doesn't get too close or too real.
You're still young, young enough to where your dating pool may not be looking for permanency or even long-term anything except comfort and convenience. If you are up front about what you want and the girl is not into it, now is the time to move on knowing you have plenty of time to find the right girl. The badass-lovers tend not to come to a good end, and they miss the "too nice" guys the most when they are counting their food stamps in their 15 year-old Hondas while trying to quiet their multi-Daddied kids in the back.
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Post by American Nightmare on Oct 29, 2006 9:38:22 GMT -5
im gone through this for a long time.
The best advice i can give has been already given. Be a tweener. Be the best u can to her, when she shows u respect. If she doesnt then she doesnt deserve anything from you. Be good to those who treat u right. Otherwise, they can take advantage and use lines like "your too nice for me". WTF is that about. I mean seriously, you dont ever get that in the rest of your life. Imagine, your at work, and your boss calls you into his office, "sorry, the company is going to have to let you go. The problem is, your just too nice for us. Maybe if you'd been an a-h***, then youd have kept your job.
Ill tell the story of how I learned to be a tweener:
I had been with this girl for nearly 1 1/2 years. I was the nice guy, she was the heartless witch. She walked all over me, cheated on me with all my friends, and really screwed things up for me. I was much more of a puss, but still the nice guy, always being told i was too good for her, and acting as though we could fix her need to cheat on me. I met this girl, who told me that i should be respected, and to not be good to anybody unless there is mutual respect. So i left her. Next week, i got a call from my week old ex, and she wanted to get back. I said id think about it. Week later, she has VD.
The message of that story, dont be a puss or too much of a nice guy, or ull get VD.
And that girl who helped me out, we'll be together for 2 years next week.
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Post by amsiraK on Oct 29, 2006 9:48:37 GMT -5
The Late Great Bill Hicks also did bits on girls liking jerks. He even has a novelty song called 'Chicks Dig Jerks' And he also says Satan will have good chance of taking over the World cause the girls will love him. "Look at that cute butt!" "But he's the Prince of Darkness?" "I can change him." This is so damn true. There are so many women who go for rear canal guys because they think that they (the girl) will be the one who he changes for because he loves her so much. Guess what. Doesn't happen. Then, they're older and alone while all the nice guys smartened up and found a nice girl years ago. There are rear canals of both genders. Anyone who says you're "too nice" is clearly a self-absorbed jerk-wad who is looking for a superficial pretty "Bad Boy" who will only clean out her bank account and leave her for someone he thinks is prettier. But don't wait around for her to come around. (Not to anyone in particular, just a general statement.) Jerk-girls are usually jerk-girls for life. Find a woman of substance. (Like all of us chicas right here at WC! *cheap pop*) In the long run, you'll be better off for it. I knew I wasn't talking out of my ass.
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Post by Palatial Regalia on Oct 29, 2006 10:07:28 GMT -5
women wanna sleep with the bad boys women wanna talk with the good guys bad boys dont want to hear about what women say good guys will always talk to the girl after the bad boy wont whats the moral? good guys finish last the end
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Post by angryfan on Oct 29, 2006 10:11:43 GMT -5
I think my favorite reason for ever being dumped, aside from the whole ex fiance bit, was a girl in high school. She dumped me because her mom wanted her to be a cheerleader, and I wasn't the jock type, so that wouldn't give the right image. Thing is, Erin, while she was sweet and cute, had the coordination and timing of a three month dead goldfish.
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Post by American Nightmare on Oct 29, 2006 10:21:28 GMT -5
I think my favorite reason for ever being dumped, aside from the whole ex fiance bit, was a girl in high school. She dumped me because her mom wanted her to be a cheerleader, and I wasn't the jock type, so that wouldn't give the right image. Thing is, Erin, while she was sweet and cute, had the coordination and timing of a three month dead goldfish. Ill one up ya there. This girl dumped me in high school cuz her mom wanted both her daughters to be dating guys names Frank. See, her older sister was dating a guy named Frank, and someone named Frank liked my gf. So i was gone, and this woman had both her daughters dating guys named Frank. I kno it sounds retarted.
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Post by The QC Loser on Oct 29, 2006 10:48:54 GMT -5
well get away trust me i have been through the too nice things more times than i can count. Then i found a good solution, date older women. Older women are past the little obsession with the bad boys cuz they have been there and done that and realize that it is a waste of time with them. They will actually appreciate the good guys. Well most anyways there are always the older women who settled down early and are just now hitting the immature bad boy stage.
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Post by The son of a plumber. on Oct 29, 2006 10:49:14 GMT -5
There is a song that say. Where a girl say I already have a pussy I dont need another one. Those I have a story about a really stupid girl. There was this one girl I knew who really liked me and I didnt like her at all. I wanted her to leave me alone so I would just be the biggest asshole I could. I'd call her out for being a whore and told her about all her down falls as a lady and make fun of her for being cubby and having lowself esteem. none of that ever worked. Then I finally got tired of being mean to her cuz its not my nature to be like that. So I started being all nice I talked to her about her family problem and told her she was too good looking to have such self esteem problems. Then boom, a week later had no interest in me at all. I was just thought that was funny how crazy this girl is, all she wanted was someone to abuse her by her own admission.
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Post by Shy Guy on Oct 29, 2006 11:16:31 GMT -5
what does it say on your stomach?
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Oct 29, 2006 13:15:51 GMT -5
I was in that boat for many years. The girls all liked me, but not in that way. They'd all be like, "those other girls are crazy for not wanting a guy like you." All the while I'm thinking, "What about you? You don't want me either!" It got to a point that I was convinced that I would be single for life. Hell, I had even started to accept it a little. When a woman started to show a little interest in me, I failed to recognize it as such because everyone had broken down my own image of myself. I knew that people thought I was nice, but after years of getting turned down, humiliated, and stood up the only times that girls agreed to go out with me, I honestly did not believe that any women found me attractive in that way. Because of this, if a girl seemed to flirt with me I started to look at it not from the typical "she likes what she sees" angle that guys tend to, but from a "I'm friendly but I shouldn't read too much into it or I'll get hurt" angle. Honestly, I really don't have much of anything good to say about how things worked out for me before I was 22.
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Post by "Sweet & Sour" ImSoFudginGreat on Oct 29, 2006 13:36:31 GMT -5
I was in that boat for many years. The girls all liked me, but not in that way. They'd all be like, "those other girls are crazy for not wanting a guy like you." All the while I'm thinking, "What about you? You don't want me either!" It got to a point that I was convinced that I would be single for life. Hell, I had even started to accept it a little. When a woman started to show a little interest in me, I failed to recognize it as such because everyone had broken down my own image of myself. I knew that people thought I was nice, but after years of getting turned down, humiliated, and stood up the only times that girls agreed to go out with me, I honestly did not believe that any women found me attractive in that way. Because of this, if a girl seemed to flirt with me I started to look at it not from the typical "she likes what she sees" angle that guys tend to, but from a "I'm friendly but I shouldn't read too much into it or I'll get hurt" angle. Honestly, I really don't have much of anything good to say about how things worked out for me before I was 22. I was in that boat this time last year, then I just stopped "tryimg" and was just myself and its been a lot more fun
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Post by vaderbomb91 on Oct 29, 2006 13:55:04 GMT -5
Young, shallow, superficial women who are only interested in equally shallow and superficial men who treat them like s***. And these girls walk all over nice guys, you say? Well, I believe this is the first thread I've seen about college sororities here at the Crap. But seriously, nice women who like nice guys are out there. I don't have a girlfriend, but I know it's because I'm so shy around women, I rarely make a move. I can talk with them, but asking one out = panic mode. With that said, I really dislike the women who recognize the nice guys and take every opportunity they can to take advantage of us. One such girl did that to me in high school. She led me on, pretty much to humiliate me for her own entertainment, as she never liked me. I doubt she's changed much in the 5 years since, and if she hasn't, I hope that her boyfriend (who's a super nice guy and was kind to everyone in our HS) dumps her for a nice girl... and she cries her eyes out realizing that she's a shallow, spoiled, conceited, mean-spirited wh0r3 who doesn't deserve the happiness he gave her. And I'm not joking. One of men's biggest relationship problems: We trust and follow beauty on the outside before knowing if there's any on the inside.
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Post by JimHellwig on Oct 29, 2006 13:55:51 GMT -5
I'm also victim of the good guy syndrome, here's an example, this girl at work I really liked and she seemed interested at first. I was always the nice guy and I would go out of my way to help her and give her a rides home. Well during this past summer we grew totally distant, probably because I was too nice. I felt thing's slipping away so I tried a new approach. I started being the heel, totally ignoring her, talking to anyone and everyone around her. That was a test to see how she would respond to my actions, it didn't change thing's much. Now I talk to her as little as possible, I've takin the speak when spoken too approach. I don't have a snow balls chance in hell with this girl at this point, but I refuse to be the nice guy to her anymore.
But then yesterday comes, it's Saturday the day you just want to kill time where I work. I just wanted to put time in and she is doing some fileing, the job was a big task. I offered to help her, my thinking wasn't to help her, it was to help me get through the day doing as little as possible. Next thing I know, I'm doing the job and she's working on a totally different task, I ask her why she's not helping and she's says something like I've done enough of that, you wanted to help. So after reading this thread, I've come to realize that I did it again, I got suckered in once again, despite my beliefs that I was only doing it for my benefit, she doesn't see it that way.
I don't really have a point, but I guess that no matter how hard you try to be a heel your true colors always show.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Oct 29, 2006 14:04:44 GMT -5
I'm also victim of the good guy syndrome, here's an example, this girl at work I really liked and she seemed interested at first. I was always the nice guy and I would go out of my way to help her and give her a rides home. Well during this past summer we grew totally distant, probably because I was too nice. I felt thing's slipping away so I tried a new approach. I started being the heel, totally ignoring her, talking to anyone and everyone around her. That was a test to see how she would respond to my actions, it didn't change thing's much. Now I talk to her as little as possible, I've takin the speak when spoken too approach. I don't have a snow balls chance in hell with this girl at this point, but I refuse to be the nice guy to her anymore. But then yesterday comes, it's Saturday the day you just want to kill time where I work. I just wanted to put time in and she is doing some fileing, the job was a big task. I offered to help her, my thinking wasn't to help her, it was to help me get through the day doing as little as possible. Next thing I know, I'm doing the job and she's working on a totally different task, I ask her why she's not helping and she's says something like I've done enough of that, you wanted to help. So after reading this thread, I've come to realize that I did it again, I got suckered in once again, despite my beliefs that I was only doing it for my benefit, she doesn't see it that way. I don't really have a point, but I guess that no matter how hard you try to be a heel your true colors always show. Dude, this girl sounds like a real witch. To act like that when you offer to help, even if it was to pass the time, is just rude. If it had been me I would have found something else to do after she said that. Empty trash cans, push a broom, anything after that kind of behavior.
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Post by amsiraK on Oct 29, 2006 14:09:19 GMT -5
Young, shallow, superficial women who are only interested in equally shallow and superficial men who treat them like s***. And these girls walk all over nice guys, you say? Well, I believe this is the first thread I've seen about college sororities here at the Crap. But seriously, nice women who like nice guys are out there. I don't have a girlfriend, but I know it's because I'm so shy around women, I rarely make a move. I can talk with them, but asking one out = panic mode. With that said, I really dislike the women who recognize the nice guys and take every opportunity they can to take advantage of us. One such girl did that to me in high school. She led me on, pretty much to humiliate me for her own entertainment, as she never liked me. I doubt she's changed much in the 5 years since, and if she hasn't, I hope that her boyfriend (who's a super nice guy and was kind to everyone in our HS) dumps her for a nice girl... and she cries her eyes out realizing that she's a shallow, spoiled, conceited, mean-spirited wh0r3 who doesn't deserve the happiness he gave her. And I'm not joking. One of men's biggest relationship problems: We trust and follow beauty on the outside before knowing if there's any on the inside. Oh, they never realize stuff like that. Not until they're old and lonely, anyway. Girls who take advantage of nice guys are usually the ones crying the loudest when the "bad boy" leaves them. Hey, I'm a nice girl and I managed to land me a nice guy. So it's not totally impossible.
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