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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 25, 2017 9:59:39 GMT -5
I was actually kind of hard on the Killing Joke movie in my original review. Looking back, it's a bit easier for me to separate the prologue from the rest of the film, though I think it's a missed opportunity that could have helped the main story were it written better. The original comic has a ton of great things about it, Bolland's art and the look into Joker's mind. But the fridging of Barbara has always bugged me. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 10:11:23 GMT -5
Well, as long as Bat Sex is a thing, people will bring that up.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 25, 2017 10:22:57 GMT -5
It wasn't as bad to me as it was disappointing
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 25, 2017 11:30:46 GMT -5
the entire prologue was unnecessary and was absolutely terrible if the reason for it's inclusion was to make it more of a Barbara story as the writers claimed.
the rest was alright... I guess... teh art wasn't as good as the book and some of the voice acting was on the eh side...
if it was just the main story it would have been alright I guess...but you have to take the whole thing as a package and yeah that prologue brings it way down.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 25, 2017 11:35:03 GMT -5
It just lacked in execution. The art pales to the comics version, and if Babs bein a victim buggin you before, the whole prologue made it worse not better. Plus you could cut that entire half hour off and not only would it not affect the plot, you would not even be able to tell an edit had been made.
A meh effort that was more disappointing given the idea of Conroy-Hamil-Killing Joke is great on paper.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 25, 2017 12:03:01 GMT -5
Yeah, beyond the weird choices made for the prologue, there was so much subtlety lost in the translation from page to screen, little details and whatnot that really made the original pop in a way that the film version just couldn't.
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Post by Jiren on May 25, 2017 12:12:27 GMT -5
yes it was
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on May 25, 2017 12:32:55 GMT -5
Prologue wasn't just bad, it was basically an assault on the actual story.
Timm and Azzarello should be ashamed.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 14:08:40 GMT -5
It was a Mark Hamill spotlight - as it should have been and always would be  - with rather stiff animation (I'll credit Critic with showing me that, hadn't really thought about it before) and that prologue which (IMHO more damningly) distracts the shit out of you because you end up waiting 30 minutes for Killing Joke to begin. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 25, 2017 14:42:51 GMT -5
To be honest, even Hamil didn't seem as into it as I woulda thought.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 25, 2017 14:54:31 GMT -5
To be honest, even Hamil didn't seem as into it as I woulda thought. Yeah, which is especially strange as he was one of the people pushing for the Killing Joke to be made. |
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Post by chrom on May 25, 2017 15:21:50 GMT -5
If not for BvS, that would've been the worst DC Film released last year.
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Post by Jiren on May 25, 2017 15:29:53 GMT -5
If not for BvS, that would've been the worst DC Film released last year. 2016 was bad year for DC movies, the trinity of shit - BVS - Killing Joke - Suicide squad |
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on May 25, 2017 15:31:08 GMT -5
To be honest, even Hamil didn't seem as into it as I woulda thought. Yeah, which is especially strange as he was one of the people pushing for the Killing Joke to be made. Don't quote me on it but I could've sworn I heard his voice is having issues doing the Joker voice after so many years. If that is true that might have had something to do with it. |
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Post by BorneAgain on May 25, 2017 15:39:30 GMT -5
Honestly, even the big moment of Hamill doing the "One Bad Day" monologue felt anti-climatic. Maybe it was the delivery feeling rushed, writing changes, or awkward effort to put it as part of an action scene, but it felt off.
Heck the efforts on YouTube feel like they have more of a dramatic and emotional punch to them:
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Post by DSR on May 25, 2017 15:52:12 GMT -5
If not for BvS, that would've been the worst DC Film released last year. 2016 was bad year for DC movies, the trinity of shit - BVS - Killing Joke - Suicide squad At least we got Return of the Caped Crusaders! That was a fun one. |
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on May 25, 2017 17:16:59 GMT -5
There are a lot of questionable decisions that one sees throughout the movie, and some lackluster performances throughout (Hamill sounded tired, Conroy sounded bored, etc.), but I also think that some of the problems of the movie result from the fact that the The Killing Joke just isn't that great of a story. Were I to recommend the book, I'd tell people to enjoy it for Bolland's art, which is sumptuous, which is something the animated feature fails to capture. (and, I think that John Higgns' original colours make the art that much more delirious than Bolland's own recolouring, which is something else that the movie doesn't try to emulate.)
Moore's writing, however, eh. Certainly the book had a big impact on the characters, Barbara Gordon most obviously. Yet I think that something like Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth is a better 'psychological' Batman story than The Killing Joke. For me, the reputation of TKJ betrays the quality of the actual text Granted, I feel similarly about Miller's The Dark Knight Returns and Miller and Mazzucchelli's Year One, that the former gets all the praise whereas the latter does something much more interesting.
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Post by Crimson on May 25, 2017 17:26:00 GMT -5
I think Doug hit on a really good point; even removing prologue, the remainder of the film was too much of a copy paste job of the comic and didn't make the most out medium.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 25, 2017 17:39:08 GMT -5
There are a lot of questionable decisions that one sees throughout the movie, and some lackluster performances throughout (Hamill sounded tired, Conroy sounded bored, etc.), but I also think that some of the problems of the movie result from the fact that the The Killing Joke just isn't that great of a story. Were I to recommend the book, I'd tell people to enjoy it for Bolland's art, which is sumptuous, which is something the animated feature fails to capture. (and, I think that John Higgns' original colours make the art that much more delirious than Bolland's own recolouring, which is something else that the movie doesn't try to emulate.) Moore's writing, however, eh. Certainly the book had a big impact on the characters, Barbara Gordon most obviously. Yet I think that something like Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth is a better 'psychological' Batman story than The Killing Joke. For me, the reputation of TKJ betrays the quality of the actual text Granted, I feel similarly about Miller's The Dark Knight Returns and Miller and Mazzucchelli's Year One, that the former gets all the praise whereas the latter does something much more interesting. And you can't really put the impact of Barbara on the story itself as if DC management had its way that would have been the last you saw of her. Moore has also said he'a not a big fan of the story and didn't think it worked as well as he'd hoped. |
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on May 25, 2017 18:24:14 GMT -5
Wait...Batman just killed that dwarf by throwing him into that spike pit, right?
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- with rather stiff animation (I'll credit Critic with showing me that, hadn't really thought about it before) and that prologue which (IMHO more damningly) distracts the shit out of you because you end up waiting 30 minutes for Killing Joke to begin.
