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Post by wrestlingrecap on Jun 23, 2017 9:09:57 GMT -5
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jun 23, 2017 9:37:45 GMT -5
I think the key to his success is to make the character more of his own thing rather than a Prince knock off. Him using the opening to Let's Go Crazy ("Dearly beloved...") verged on embarrassing.
He's turning into more of a classic wrestling character - flamboyant, feminine but with a mean streak.
Definitely a bright future ahead of him.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 23, 2017 10:30:31 GMT -5
I don't mind him trying to be a Prince knock-off.
It's just that a good portion of the time, he looks more like a Jimi Hendrix knock-off instead.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jun 23, 2017 10:38:09 GMT -5
I don't mind him trying to be a Prince knock-off. It's just that a good portion of the time, he looks more like a Jimi Hendrix knock-off instead. Yeah, definitely a bit more Hendrix flavoring since he came back as Velveteen Dream. If the flamboyant thing ends up not working long term, I'd love it if he took some style cues from The Warriors.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jun 23, 2017 10:53:57 GMT -5
It's a minor thing, but I don't like Velveteen Dream being his only name. Like, it's an awesome nickname, give him something cool to go with it, but as an actual name it sucks.
If they want a new name, call him Patrice, give him a new surname and The Velveteen Dream as his "Hitman" or "Macho Man"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 11:28:58 GMT -5
It's a minor thing, but I don't like Velveteen Dream being his only name. Like, it's an awesome nickname, give him something cool to go with it, but as an actual name it sucks. If they want a new name, call him Patrice, give him a new surname and The Velveteen Dream as his "Hitman" or "Macho Man" WWE: "Caxby The Velveteen Dream Parabonski"!
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 23, 2017 11:34:16 GMT -5
It's a minor thing, but I don't like Velveteen Dream being his only name. Like, it's an awesome nickname, give him something cool to go with it, but as an actual name it sucks. If they want a new name, call him Patrice, give him a new surname and The Velveteen Dream as his "Hitman" or "Macho Man" WWE will end up going back to that "Give them a long-retired famous athlete's last name for no reason at all" thing they were doing for a while (Bam Neeley, Kenny Dykstra, etc.) so he'll end up being "The Velveteen Dream" Layne Gretzky.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Jun 23, 2017 12:28:28 GMT -5
I don't mind him trying to be a Prince knock-off. It's just that a good portion of the time, he looks more like a Jimi Hendrix knock-off instead. As a life-long Prince fanatic, I'd be perfectly fine with a Prince gimmick if Patrick even remotely looked, sounded or acted like Prince in the slightest.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 23, 2017 12:43:10 GMT -5
I don't mind him trying to be a Prince knock-off. It's just that a good portion of the time, he looks more like a Jimi Hendrix knock-off instead. As a life-long Prince fanatic, I'd be perfectly fine with a Prince gimmick if Patrick even remotely looked, sounded or acted like Prince in the slightest. Yeah, this is my main issue with it; he's not playing Prince as much as he's playing a vaguely effeminate rock star and that's fine if his gimmick was effeminate rock star, but it's not. Prince was a weird motherf***er with a weird way of talking, but a lot of gravity to his presence and his personality, to where even for as dire as Purple Rain was as a movie and how he really was not a good actor in it, he somehow commanded some level of respect on screen. Patrick's not pulling off the gimmick, and with how removed he is from actually doing anything Prince-like it feels kind of like a really empty "oh hey Prince died I can roll off of that" angle where he doesn't really know much about Prince.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jun 23, 2017 12:55:57 GMT -5
As a life-long Prince fanatic, I'd be perfectly fine with a Prince gimmick if Patrick even remotely looked, sounded or acted like Prince in the slightest. Yeah, this is my main issue with it; he's not playing Prince as much as he's playing a vaguely effeminate rock star and that's fine if his gimmick was effeminate rock star, but it's not. Prince was a weird motherf***er with a weird way of talking, but a lot of gravity to his presence and his personality, to where even for as dire as Purple Rain was as a movie and how he really was not a good actor in it, he somehow commanded some level of respect on screen. Patrick's not pulling off the gimmick, and with how removed he is from actually doing anything Prince-like it feels kind of like a really empty "oh hey Prince died I can roll off of that" angle where he doesn't really know much about Prince. I forgot the proximity of the debut of this character to Prince's death. That definitely rubbed me the wrong way initially.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 23, 2017 13:18:42 GMT -5
Yeah, this is my main issue with it; he's not playing Prince as much as he's playing a vaguely effeminate rock star and that's fine if his gimmick was effeminate rock star, but it's not. Prince was a weird motherf***er with a weird way of talking, but a lot of gravity to his presence and his personality, to where even for as dire as Purple Rain was as a movie and how he really was not a good actor in it, he somehow commanded some level of respect on screen. Patrick's not pulling off the gimmick, and with how removed he is from actually doing anything Prince-like it feels kind of like a really empty "oh hey Prince died I can roll off of that" angle where he doesn't really know much about Prince. I forgot the proximity of the debut of this character to Prince's death. That definitely rubbed me the wrong way initially. Shortly before the Prince gimmick he was working a Trump gimmick, so it really screamed of him looking for really incendiary "current" things he could work a gimmick off of. He's at least stuck with the Prince thing instead of hopping onto the next big thing he thinks he can do, but unfortunately he's stuck with something he's really not doing very well with.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jun 23, 2017 13:24:27 GMT -5
I forgot the proximity of the debut of this character to Prince's death. That definitely rubbed me the wrong way initially. Shortly before the Prince gimmick he was working a Trump gimmick, so it really screamed of him looking for really incendiary "current" things he could work a gimmick off of. He's at least stuck with the Prince thing instead of hopping onto the next big thing he thinks he can do, but unfortunately he's stuck with something he's really not doing very well with. I like the idea of a guy whose gimmick is that he's trying to cash in on a current craze but does so just too late. Like a month from now he'd be obsessed with fidget spinners
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 13:43:15 GMT -5
Read the thread title as Velveteen Dean.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 13:47:05 GMT -5
Not a fan. Maybe just because I feel like Patrick Clark is a clown.
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Post by chazraps on Jun 23, 2017 14:02:37 GMT -5
Patrick Clark sucks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 15:36:06 GMT -5
I forgot the proximity of the debut of this character to Prince's death. That definitely rubbed me the wrong way initially. Shortly before the Prince gimmick he was working a Trump gimmick, so it really screamed of him looking for really incendiary "current" things he could work a gimmick off of. He's at least stuck with the Prince thing instead of hopping onto the next big thing he thinks he can do, but unfortunately he's stuck with something he's really not doing very well with. I remember he served as a babyface jobber while wearing the red, white and blue trunks and I thought that seemed like a good fit to me, though I dunno if the classic patriotic babyface is something that would work very well anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 15:41:50 GMT -5
Not really feeling this one. I think that a Prince inspired gimmick could be amazing but it would have to be the right guy playing the role. The guy is trying, but I'm not buying. To me it's like if John Nord got the Undertaker gimmick and Mark Calaway got the Berzerker gimmick, we'd probably be making fun of Vince for his zombie mortician gimmick and loving that mofo the Berzerker. Extreme example sure, but you get the gist of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 15:58:25 GMT -5
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 23, 2017 16:29:18 GMT -5
It's a minor thing, but I don't like Velveteen Dream being his only name. Like, it's an awesome nickname, give him something cool to go with it, but as an actual name it sucks. If they want a new name, call him Patrice, give him a new surname and The Velveteen Dream as his "Hitman" or "Macho Man" This is genius! Patrice is perfect too.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Jun 24, 2017 7:07:42 GMT -5
I'm alone on my island then. I love what he's doing.
This isn't a "ready out of the oven" type of gimmick. This is a "simmer on low heat until ready" gimmick. He's already miles better with it than he was when he first tried it. Give the dude a year with this, to really make it his own, and he could be on to something.
He has the mannerisms, posing, and in ring stuff at a solid level enough to build a foundation, he just needs time. And to work on his promos. If he gets the promos down, he's golden. or Purple. or Velveteen.
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