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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Sept 9, 2017 8:08:10 GMT -5
Also, would help if someone could post the full list of territories the WWF killed during their 1980's expansion. I'd post one, but I'm a dread I'd leave someone out and the thread would get derailed.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 9, 2017 9:13:14 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan AWA.
Roddy Piper Portland...although McMahon let him keep working for Don Owens.
Bret Hart Stampede.
Ted Dibiase Mid South. I was gonna say Junkyard Dog originally but Ted was the superior worker in every aspect.
Ricky Steamboat Crocket Mid Atlantic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 9:28:57 GMT -5
Ultimate Warrior: Parts Unknown Wrestling
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Post by mauled on Sept 9, 2017 11:06:50 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan AWA. Roddy Piper Portland...although McMahon let him keep working for Don Owens. Bret Hart Stampede. Ted Dibiase Mid South. I was gonna say Junkyard Dog originally but Ted was the superior worker in every aspect. Ricky Steamboat Crocket Mid Atlantic. Dynamite Kid for in ring work as well for stampede in Jmo f |
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Sept 9, 2017 11:14:51 GMT -5
Ultimate Warrior: Parts Unknown Wrestling World Class Championship Wrestling, actually. I'll throw in Randy Savage from ICW which was located in Kentucky. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 14:39:46 GMT -5
Harley was pretty much the only guy worth a crap coming out of Kansas City/Central States.
Nobody actually goes there, they end up there.
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Post by The Barber on Sept 10, 2017 14:55:48 GMT -5
I may be wrong, but didn't he get Pat Patterson from San Francisco?
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Sept 10, 2017 15:23:23 GMT -5
I may be wrong, but didn't he get Pat Patterson from San Francisco? He was brought in from the AWA. |
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Sept 10, 2017 16:39:51 GMT -5
Randy Savage may not have been a top guy when Vince snatched him up from Memphis, but with the benefit of hindsight I'd say he would be the pick there.
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Post by bitteroldman on Sept 10, 2017 16:48:33 GMT -5
not on a par with Hogan but Jesse Ventura and Adrian Adonis from the AWA.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 10, 2017 17:40:00 GMT -5
the full list of territories the WWF killed during their 1980's expansion. WWF did not kill ANY of the territories, save for Georgia. Every single one of them otherwise died of self-inflicted wounds, not McMahon's expansion. Florida - died when promoter Eddie Graham committed suicide, Dusty bailed for Crockett, took top talent with him and Crockett then bought them out AWA - had Road Warriors at the peak of their run, jobbed them out to guys like Da Crusher and Baron Von Rashke (among MANY other things AWA did wrong) World Class - we all know what happened there St Louis - died when Crockett hogged the NWA champ and refused to send him to other territories Central States - became a feeder fed for Crockett (gee, you notice which name seems to keep popping up here?) Southwestern/TASW/USA All-Star - crooked people in office embezzling; absorbed by World Class Mid-South/UWF - Did themselves in with a poor expansion of their own and a financial crisis back home. Bought by...Crockett Memphis (and all the various offshoots like Southeastern/Continental) stayed alive in some form well into the 90s Hawaii - brought down by Rock's grandma's criminal schemes Portland - harsh changes to local athletic commissions toasted them, finalized by their biggest sponsor going bankrupt San Francisco, Los Angeles, Detroit, Amarillo, Gulf Coast were all dead before Vince started his expansion. Roddy Piper Portland...although McMahon let him keep working for Don Owens Piper hadn't been in Portland for around two years when WWF picked him up. He was picked up from Mid-Atlantic. McMahon didn't let him work for Owens either, he specifically told him he couldn't, Piper did it anyway and got suspended for a time for it. I'll throw in Randy Savage from ICW which was located in Kentucky. ICW had shut its doors for good about a year or two before Savage entered WWF; he had been in Memphis in-between. |
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Post by Feyrhausen on Sept 10, 2017 17:55:14 GMT -5
Never heard that about The Rocks grandmother. A quick Google search did not turn up anything, can you elaborate?
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Sept 10, 2017 18:02:29 GMT -5
the full list of territories the WWF killed during their 1980's expansion. WWF did not kill ANY of the territories, save for Georgia. Every single one of them otherwise died of self-inflicted wounds, not McMahon's expansion. Florida - died when promoter Eddie Graham committed suicide, Dusty bailed for Crockett, took top talent with him and Crockett then bought them out AWA - had Road Warriors at the peak of their run, jobbed them out to guys like Da Crusher and Baron Von Rashke (among MANY other things AWA did wrong) World Class - we all know what happened there St Louis - died when Crockett hogged the NWA champ and refused to send him to other territories Central States - became a feeder fed for Crockett (gee, you notice which name seems to keep popping up here?) Southwestern/TASW/USA All-Star - crooked people in office embezzling; absorbed by World Class Mid-South/UWF - Did themselves in with a poor expansion of their own and a financial crisis back home. Bought by...Crockett Memphis (and all the various offshoots like Southeastern/Continental) stayed alive in some form well into the 90s Hawaii - brought down by Rock's grandma's criminal schemes Portland - harsh changes to local athletic commissions toasted them, finalized by their biggest sponsor going bankrupt San Francisco, Los Angeles, Detroit, Amarillo, Gulf Coast were all dead before Vince started his expansion. Roddy Piper Portland...although McMahon let him keep working for Don Owens Piper hadn't been in Portland for around two years when WWF picked him up. He was picked up from Mid-Atlantic. McMahon didn't let him work for Owens either, he specifically told him he couldn't, Piper did it anyway and got suspended for a time for it. I'll throw in Randy Savage from ICW which was located in Kentucky. ICW had shut its doors for good about a year or two before Savage entered WWF; he had been in Memphis in-between. Come on Mads, no need to derail a thread over semantics. I was trying to leave the OP vague just so this kind of thing wouldn't happen and we could instead just focus on the talent. I could debate with you about whether kill was the right word to use, but that's another discussion entirely. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 19:30:11 GMT -5
the full list of territories the WWF killed during their 1980's expansion. WWF did not kill ANY of the territories, save for Georgia. Every single one of them otherwise died of self-inflicted wounds, not McMahon's expansion. Florida - died when promoter Eddie Graham committed suicide, Dusty bailed for Crockett, took top talent with him and Crockett then bought them out AWA - had Road Warriors at the peak of their run, jobbed them out to guys like Da Crusher and Baron Von Rashke (among MANY other things AWA did wrong) World Class - we all know what happened there St Louis - died when Crockett hogged the NWA champ and refused to send him to other territories Central States - became a feeder fed for Crockett (gee, you notice which name seems to keep popping up here?) Southwestern/TASW/USA All-Star - crooked people in office embezzling; absorbed by World Class Mid-South/UWF - Did themselves in with a poor expansion of their own and a financial crisis back home. Bought by...Crockett Memphis (and all the various offshoots like Southeastern/Continental) stayed alive in some form well into the 90s Hawaii - brought down by Rock's grandma's criminal schemes Portland - harsh changes to local athletic commissions toasted them, finalized by their biggest sponsor going bankrupt San Francisco, Los Angeles, Detroit, Amarillo, Gulf Coast were all dead before Vince started his expansion. Roddy Piper Portland...although McMahon let him keep working for Don Owens Piper hadn't been in Portland for around two years when WWF picked him up. He was picked up from Mid-Atlantic. McMahon didn't let him work for Owens either, he specifically told him he couldn't, Piper did it anyway and got suspended for a time for it. I'll throw in Randy Savage from ICW which was located in Kentucky. ICW had shut its doors for good about a year or two before Savage entered WWF; he had been in Memphis in-between. I've never heard of the Rock's grandmother's criminal things... what's the story there? And as near as I can tell, Crockett got lucky by having Flair in their ranks, and basically bumble****ed their way into being the last NWA territory standing. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 10, 2017 19:59:25 GMT -5
That's another good point. Very, very few of the guys McMahon hired just suddenly didn't show up for a show in another promotion. Most of them gave notice, like things were done with all the promotions when it wasn't an office-mandated trade, and wrapped up their tenures before departing. Yes, there were exceptions with some of them just bolting and leaving a promotion cold (JYD, for instance) but overall, most of them did things in a professional manner (and it must be noted that a good number of the no-show complaints came from the AWA, who were in future years proved to be liars in this regard, often advertising guys long after they gave notice and left). And a lot of guys came to McMahon after runs in Japan, at which time they owed no allegiance to any of the territories. Okay, now that I'm done driving KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! crazy with the semantics arguments, my take on the actual subject: Mid-South/UWF - DiBiase, no doubt about it. JYD and Duggan were massive gets, but both were examples of good bookers playing to their strengths and hiding their very apparent weaknesses. Be it based on his prowess or his ability to remain an A-lister after transition, DiBiase wins this one easily. Honorary mention: Jake Roberts Portland - Hmm...They took Buddy Rose away more than once, but while Buddy was a top player in Portland, he never really amounted to anything in his numerous WWF runs. Trying hard to think of others that came straight from Portland. Dynamite had an extended Japan stay between and Snuka came via Georgia. Crush, maybe? Southwestern/Texas All Star - I can't think of anyone that went straight to WWF from here. Adonis (his 2nd WWF run) went to NJPW between the two, Big Bubba the Future Tugboat worked several places between and Scott Casey ended up in World Class for a time before WWF picked him up. Georgia - They got Jack Brisco. He didn't stay long, but they got Jack Brisco. Memphis - Savage, with honorary runner-up Jimmy Hart AWA - Hogan of course, though Martel and Hennig were better wrestlers. Ventura only gets a runner-up status as his actual run prior to retirement wasn't much of anything. Also in the "paid off after a bit of time" category would be Shawn Michaels. World Class - In some aspects, I'd way Warrior. I can't count Kerry because World Class was gone by the time he came aboard. Bigelow was too short-lived in the first run, the Freebirds blink and you miss it visit barely shows up on the radar. Florida - I can't say Windham because he wouldn't come into his own until after his first WWF run. Of course Dusty A-bombed his revival of the territory to go later on, but the true promotion had already folded by then. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 20:22:08 GMT -5
Southpaw Regional Wrestling: Impressive Pelvis Wesley.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Sept 10, 2017 20:39:37 GMT -5
A lot of these are obvious: Mid-South-DiBiase, AWA-Hogan, Crockett-Steamboat, Stampede-Bret Hart, etc. But, for World Class, I'd go with Rick Rude. Sure, Warrior was a bigger star, but Rude was a better worker, a better talker, had more charisma, and he had the best wrestling attire of all time.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 10, 2017 20:49:19 GMT -5
A lot of these are obvious: Mid-South-DiBiase, AWA-Hogan, Crockett-Steamboat, Stampede-Bret Hart, etc. But, for World Class, I'd go with Rick Rude. Sure, Warrior was a bigger star, but Rude was a better worker, a better talker, had more charisma, and he had the best wrestling attire of all time. Rude didn't leave World Class for WWF - he left World Class for JCP and stayed there for eight months before he bolted for McMahonLand. |
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Post by hesgotabithycle on Sept 15, 2017 20:17:49 GMT -5
That's another good point. Very, very few of the guys McMahon hired just suddenly didn't show up for a show in another promotion. Most of them gave notice, like things were done with all the promotions when it wasn't an office-mandated trade, and wrapped up their tenures before departing. Yes, there were exceptions with some of them just bolting and leaving a promotion cold (JYD, for instance) but overall, most of them did things in a professional manner (and it must be noted that a good number of the no-show complaints came from the AWA, who were in future years proved to be liars in this regard, often advertising guys long after they gave notice and left). And a lot of guys came to McMahon after runs in Japan, at which time they owed no allegiance to any of the territories. Okay, now that I'm done driving KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! crazy with the semantics arguments, my take on the actual subject: Mid-South/UWF - DiBiase, no doubt about it. JYD and Duggan were massive gets, but both were examples of good bookers playing to their strengths and hiding their very apparent weaknesses. Be it based on his prowess or his ability to remain an A-lister after transition, DiBiase wins this one easily. Honorary mention: Jake Roberts Portland - Hmm...They took Buddy Rose away more than once, but while Buddy was a top player in Portland, he never really amounted to anything in his numerous WWF runs. Trying hard to think of others that came straight from Portland. Dynamite had an extended Japan stay between and Snuka came via Georgia. Crush, maybe? Southwestern/Texas All Star - I can't think of anyone that went straight to WWF from here. Adonis (his 2nd WWF run) went to NJPW between the two, Big Bubba the Future Tugboat worked several places between and Scott Casey ended up in World Class for a time before WWF picked him up. Georgia - They got Jack Brisco. He didn't stay long, but they got Jack Brisco. Memphis - Savage, with honorary runner-up Jimmy Hart AWA - Hogan of course, though Martel and Hennig were better wrestlers. Ventura only gets a runner-up status as his actual run prior to retirement wasn't much of anything. Also in the "paid off after a bit of time" category would be Shawn Michaels. World Class - In some aspects, I'd way Warrior. I can't count Kerry because World Class was gone by the time he came aboard. Bigelow was too short-lived in the first run, the Freebirds blink and you miss it visit barely shows up on the radar. Florida - I can't say Windham because he wouldn't come into his own until after his first WWF run. Of course Dusty A-bombed his revival of the territory to go later on, but the true promotion had already folded by then. Regarding Michaels (Rockers) in AWA, didn't he pretty much fire them right away...and then rehire them? I almost look at that as more of a demotion to the minors more than a true firing. I'm sure he saw the ability in Jannetty as well, and they were both absolute kids in terms of age and experience. But I think McMahon saw a long term project in Michaels that could really pay off. Also didn't he get Ron Garvin from the AWA? Not a legendary name like Hogan, Michaels and the rest. But he was a former NWA champ only a year before stepping into a WWF ring. Also didn't he get David Schultz from Memphis? I could swear he made a pit stop there before heading north. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Nov 5, 2017 3:38:00 GMT -5
I've never heard of the Rock's grandmother's criminal things... what's the story there? [/quote] Never heard that about The Rocks grandmother. A quick Google search did not turn up anything, can you elaborate? Lia Miavia, alongside her booker Lars Anderson were arrested and charged with extorting other local independents. They were acquitted - though they probably shouldn't have been - but the damage was done and the promotion closed up not long after. |
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