Heartbreaker
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Post by Heartbreaker on Sept 11, 2017 22:33:08 GMT -5
It was cool when Joey Styles did it, it was cool when CM Punk did it. It can be fine when actually building up to a story.
But goddamn, it's lame af. The Cena/Reigns story is dumb especially with referencing failed drug tests. And then there's Enzo and Miz. "Let's have him completely wrecked in a promo while trying to build him up as a contender."
WWE sure loves to shit on WCW, but man they do like to repeat everything they did. Feels like 2000 all over again.
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Post by Chiral on Sept 11, 2017 22:37:29 GMT -5
It makes me so mad seriously. I hate the idea of willingly going "this is fake" and then not building up to anything with it. Or giving dudes a shoot promo and then the other guy has to cut a normal promo so they get destroyed because how can you respond in character when the other guy just told everyone your name is Chad and your character is made up?
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on Sept 11, 2017 22:38:56 GMT -5
There was steam coming from Enzo's ears. He was literally thinking to himself, "I can't shoot back, I'll get fired." No talent should have to feel that way.
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Post by IMPRESSIVE knightwing1047 on Sept 11, 2017 22:42:37 GMT -5
I honestly don't know why Roman didn't just punch Cena in the face. Who in their right mind would take that crap from anyone?
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Sept 11, 2017 22:43:00 GMT -5
I can almost (almost) forgive it with Cena/Reigns, because their feud is very meta. They hate each other because each one thinks he's "the guy." Once in a while, having a semi-kayfabe feud can be fun.
I mean, the way they're doing it is terrible, the fans are being trained to only pop for "Wha he went there!!", and the Enzo thing is just nonsense, but... what was I saying again?
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Post by BorneAgain on Sept 11, 2017 22:49:45 GMT -5
To keep things interesting think we should have kayfabe shoot lines, where it seems like guys are shooting but are actually exposing bizarre revelations and "truths" that are no way based on reality. Like next week Enzo saying Miz got fired from New Japan Pro Wrestling, and Roman hitting back that Cena only got a job in WWE because he's Michael Hayes' nephew.
Cena: And this Sunday at No Mercy, it won't be John Cena vs. Roman Reigns son, it'll be Johann Cenavit vs. Rodney Supreme.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 22:53:35 GMT -5
To keep things interesting think we should have kayfabe shoot lines, where it seems like guys are shooting but are actually exposing bizarre revelations and "truths" that are no way based on reality. Like next week Enzo saying Miz got fired from New Japan Pro Wrestling, and Roman hitting back that Cena only got a job in WWE because he's Michael Hayes' nephew. Cena: And this Sunday at No Mercy, it won't be John Cena vs. Roman Reigns son, it'll be Johann Cenavit vs. Rodney Supreme. Baron Corbin to AJ Styles: "I had a five star triple threat match with Rodney Mack and Sylvain Grenier in the main event of WrestleMania. What the f*** have you done?!" |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 22:55:18 GMT -5
The WWE is hilarious in that they will literally tell the audience that it's fake to completely take them out of the moment, but then have the wrestlers cry like babies when they win titles. The guy or girl crying for winning a fake match and a fake belt look like freakin goobers, and the fans look stupid for celebrating with them. I mean, wrestling makes no sense. The industry will die the moment the core audience dies out. No young person is going to watch this crap and be as loyal as the kids of Hulkamania and the Attitude Era have been.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Sept 11, 2017 22:57:42 GMT -5
It seems that sometimes the writers get stuck on one particular idea and run it to death, like that time a few years ago where I swear there were like two or three "someone's music hits, distraction roll-up" finishes per show. And right now that idea seems to be worked shoots that absolutely don't have to be there.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Sept 11, 2017 22:59:05 GMT -5
To keep things interesting think we should have kayfabe shoot lines, where it seems like guys are shooting but are actually exposing bizarre revelations and "truths" that are no way based on reality. Like next week Enzo saying Miz got fired from New Japan Pro Wrestling, and Roman hitting back that Cena only got a job in WWE because he's Michael Hayes' nephew. Cena: And this Sunday at No Mercy, it won't be John Cena vs. Roman Reigns son, it'll be Johann Cenavit vs. Rodney Supreme. Or things that are true but totally innocuous. I wonder if they acted like they're big revelations, people wouldn't notice. "Roman Reigns, we all know from the dirtsheets that you got a degree in management from the Georgia Institute of Technology!" |
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Post by Perd on Sept 11, 2017 23:02:29 GMT -5
For a company that likes to complain about "internet wrestling fans" that sure do seem to cater to them. I'm not sure casual fans even exist, but if they do, they have to completely lost regarding some of this shit.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Sept 11, 2017 23:44:07 GMT -5
For a company that likes to complain about "internet wrestling fans" that sure do seem to cater to them. I'm not sure casual fans even exist, but if they do, they have to completely lost regarding some of this shit. [me, tending to my 7 children] "Mommy, what's a pwomo?" "uhhhh" "Wohkwate!" "uHHHHH" "I heard badaboo man is wazy" "UHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" |
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Post by Sparkybob on Sept 11, 2017 23:44:55 GMT -5
The only shooting I want to see know a days is an archery competition instead of a wrestling match.
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Post by romanstylesiii on Sept 12, 2017 2:15:21 GMT -5
It was cool when Joey Styles did it, it was cool when CM Punk did it. It can be fine when actually building up to a story. But goddamn, it's lame af. The Cena/Reigns story is dumb especially with referencing failed drug tests. And then there's Enzo and Miz. "Let's have him completely wrecked in a promo while trying to build him up as a contender." WWE sure loves to shit on WCW, but man they do like to repeat everything they did. Feels like 2000 all over again. A sense of reality is always cool, but in reality, it is far harder to play a good character than it is to shoot. |
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Post by Abdullah on Sept 12, 2017 5:28:57 GMT -5
I don't think it's the shoots themselves that are the issue. It's just that it's quickly becoming the only bit of narrative WWE seems to tell.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 12, 2017 6:09:41 GMT -5
For a company that likes to complain about "internet wrestling fans" that sure do seem to cater to them. I'm not sure casual fans even exist, but if they do, they have to completely lost regarding some of this shit. [me, tending to my 7 children] "Mommy, what's a pwomo?" "uhhhh" "Wohkwate!" "uHHHHH" "I heard badaboo man is wazy" "UHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" "Stop talking like that, rhotacism isn't cute, Elmer Fudd." |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Sept 12, 2017 9:00:08 GMT -5
The only shooting I want to see know a days is an archery competition instead of a wrestling match. ..... Has WWE ever done an archery contest? f*** it, book it |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 9:05:56 GMT -5
I can't wait for Roman Reigns to lay down to Cena for a three count, and Cena getting on the mic saying to Vince: "no wonder this company is declining with booking shit like this!"
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Post by disorganisedchaos v:2 on Sept 12, 2017 9:09:35 GMT -5
To keep things interesting think we should have kayfabe shoot lines, where it seems like guys are shooting but are actually exposing bizarre revelations and "truths" that are no way based on reality. Like next week Enzo saying Miz got fired from New Japan Pro Wrestling, and Roman hitting back that Cena only got a job in WWE because he's Michael Hayes' nephew. Cena: And this Sunday at No Mercy, it won't be John Cena vs. Roman Reigns son, it'll be Johann Cenavit vs. Rodney Supreme. Or things that are true but totally innocuous. I wonder if they acted like they're big revelations, people wouldn't notice. "Roman Reigns, we all know from the dirtsheets that you got a degree in management from the Georgia Institute of Technology!" Followed by a Lawler 'you won't be around' face. |
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Post by mizerable on Sept 12, 2017 9:30:27 GMT -5
I'm genuinely curious of who last had a great promo without needing to break "character" and shoot.
Seriously, shoot promos aren't benefitial for anyone at the end of the day.
Joey Styles' promo worked because he was railing against the company. Punk's worked for the same reason. Joey's was anger over not being used, which as an announcer makes total sense. Punk's promo worked because he was tired of the system and knew the people were too. Both fit the overall narrative of what came next.
Now? Someone complains because they're the chosen one? Isn't it an active competition? Someone complains because they're underutilized. Isn't it an active competition? Overlooked? By who? The fans? The writers? Vince?
Oh you're going to shoot on someone for not being good or "can't wrestle"...so what? The only thing that should matter is winning, so if you can't "wrestle" and you still win, then the other person sucks for losing to someone who sucks.
Oh you're cutting a promo on the fans hating the other babyface? So what? Unless the fans are kayfabe choosing the winners or have a choice of who they want in what match, then again it's a pointless topic.
Shoots are for the lazy. If you can't rally the fans without resorting to break character, then you're not a good promo.
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