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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 18:13:22 GMT -5
It's not ok to go against others who like what they see nor is it ok to attack those that do. That's uncalled for. (Thanks to the mods for letting me post this thread.) Since he's gained the title I've seen numerous posts going against others who like him as champion. Whether its comments going against posters as if they're crazy for liking it, whether it's implying it without saying or even if it's that catty sarcastic posting style people do as backhanded compliments to Jinder or his reign, whether its the sly "he's the worst, I can't see why anyone would like this, it's trash and if you like tha-" type of lines, you know what I'm saying. There's a difference between disliking his reign and disliking what other posters feel about it because at the end of the day we're all individuals. What I like might be something you don't like. What you like might be something I don't like but at the end of the day we're all individuals who think and feel differently. We're also better than that. Yeah you don't like it but relax. I also know some people will be like "that's not what we were doing" or "that's not what it is" or even "we do it becau-", come on now. We're adults. I'm 100% ok with people disliking his reign and him as champion. It is what it is. What I'm not ok with is those who feel as if they dislike it they have a right to get at those that do. FAN isn't about that. We all have an opinion and we all need to respect others' opinions as well. Hell, I made a thread about the positives of Jinder and you have people posting sarcastic catty comments on it. We're supposed to be better than that. If the positive Jinder threads and comments aren't for you, keep them in other threads but no need to get in on everything relating to him because all it does is drag everything down. What your energy might be might not be the same for everyone else and you don't have to give them that energy if they already feel differently about it. It's no different from the Roman, Ambrose, Cena, Miz, Styles threads, no one is excluded in this case. It goes for every single wrestler. Just remember that when you post next time. Make sure you separate the posters and their opinions from your own and give respect to everyone regardless of their viewpoints. If you do, that'll make everyone's day better. We come on FAN to have fun, post our opinions and engage with others. Let's keep that going in a positive light. Thanks.  |
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Post by Cyno on Sept 23, 2017 18:23:10 GMT -5
Honestly, I've seen more pro-Jinder people being dismissive/catty/etc. of people who don't like him than vice versa.
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Post by RedSmile on Sept 23, 2017 18:29:47 GMT -5
"Fine speech."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 18:29:58 GMT -5
Honestly, I've seen more pro-Jinder people being dismissive/catty/etc. of people who don't like him than vice versa. It doesn't matter who's starting it but the fact it even happens is a problem in itself. It goes for both sides. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Sept 23, 2017 18:35:10 GMT -5
It's a two way street. I have no opinion on his reign because I never watch Smackdown, but if I were to say it's stupid, I'm fine with you arguing your side on why you enjoy it.
Me hating something is just my worthless opinion. You liking it is just yours.
I'm fine with contrary opinions. That's how I learn things.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 18:44:13 GMT -5
I feel weird for not taking my opinions seriously enough. Like... I can't reach nearly the rage level necessary to argue the merits of Jinder as champion.
I like Jinder and think his reign has been decent. The end.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Sept 23, 2017 19:13:26 GMT -5
Not throwing anyone under the bus so not naming names, but the contrast to this is equally a problem. For example calling posters who backhand compliments Jinder as "childish" isn't kosher either.
Either differing opinions are allowed or they're not.
This is becoming a "us vs them" thing and I've seen examples on both sides. None of it is ok.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Sept 23, 2017 19:17:48 GMT -5
I feel weird for not taking my opinions seriously enough. Like... I can't reach nearly the rage level necessary to argue the merits of Jinder as champion. I like Jinder and think his reign has been decent. The end. Why imply that one must be in a rage to argue a point? Knock it off. Let's not invite disagreement then get on a highhorse saying if you disagree then X. |
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Sept 23, 2017 19:24:57 GMT -5
Alright I already had to have a post in the mod section a few days ago but I think we need it out here soon too.
FAN is WAY to filled with "us vs them" and this thread is a good excuse to back up the OP's point. Snark needs to die down. Absolutes need to die down. Assuming people's opinions on things because of some OTHER opinion and dismissing them needs to die down.
We're a little too judgemental of eachother right now on many levels
Let's DISCUSS things. I'm not saying we need to agree, quite the opposite. I'm saying we need to accept the disagreements. No fingers in ears. No talking down. Just... some common courtesy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 19:26:47 GMT -5
Alright I already had to have a post in the mod section a few days ago but I think we need it out here soon too. FAN is WAY to filled with "us vs them" and this thread is a good excuse to back up the OP's point. Snark needs to die down. Absolutes need to die down. Assuming people's opinions on things because of some OTHER opinion and dismissing them needs to die down. We're a little too judgemental of eachother right now on many levels Let's DISCUSS things. I'm not saying we need to agree, quite the opposite. I'm saying we need to accept the disagreements. No fingers in ears. No talking down. Just... some common courtesy. 100% agree. I'm glad this thread is used to bring up the discussion as well. We all need to listen to each other more regardless of viewpoints, we need better manners. |
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Sept 23, 2017 19:32:32 GMT -5
Agreed with what's being said here. Like just because I don't like Jinder's run doesn't mean it's cool to piss in someone else's kool-aid for liking it. Having an opinion is what makes us who we are. I'm sure I have opinions that the majority of people would disagree with (eg. I did not like Nexus AT ALL and never thought Wade Barrett should have had the title around that time like a lot of people do) but I'm not going to hate on someone for not liking my opinion. Thankfully most of can at least agree that BRAUUUUUN is one of the best parts of WWE though right?  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 19:32:47 GMT -5
The one thing I find uncomfortable is I've seen instances of casual racism towards India or East Indians or the general ignorance about them. Or the implications it's their fault for Jinders title reign. For instance I remember there was a discussion of why isn't there more PPV's in The UK and someone posts a picture of Vince doing the sarcastic dumb capslock post of "DURRRRRRRRRRRR CUZ WE NEED TO APPEAL TO DA INDIAN MARKET!!!!!" without realizing East Indians make up the 3rd biggest ethnicity in England.
Or why can't he speak Hindi because that's the more commonly spoken language. Just weird things like that. I don't like Jinders title reigns but let's not resort to casual racism or making alternative facts about a race of people to disparage a title reign you don't like.
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Post by roadhouse on Sept 23, 2017 19:34:25 GMT -5
The one thing I find uncomfortable is I've seen instances of casual racism towards India or East Indians or the general ignorance about them. Or the implications it's their fault for Jinders title reign. For instance I remember there was a discussion of why isn't there more PPV's in The UK and someone posts a picture of Vince doing the sarcastic dumb capslock post of "DURRRRRRRRRRRR CUZ WE NEED TO APPEAL TO DA INDIAN MARKET!!!!!" without realizing East Indians make up the 3rd biggest ethnicity in England. Or why can't he speak Hindi because that's the more commonly spoken language. Just weird things like that. I don't like Jinders title reigns but let's not resort to casual racism or making alternative facts about a race of people to disparage a title reign you don't like. I don't see how any of that is casual racism. |
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Post by Cyno on Sept 23, 2017 19:46:34 GMT -5
I dunno. I always saw those sorts of posts as pointing out WWE's own casual racism and ignorance about the many diverse cultures that make up a country of over a billion people than being casually racist themselves.
I guess the casual racism would be in the assumption that's the only reason why Jinder is champ without knowing that as the truth for Jinder's sudden push from jobberhood to WWE Champion in about a month. My own reason for thinking there has to be another reason besides that is that the logical thing would be to make him a face if that was really their motivation. But then, "WWE" and "logic" especially lately don't exactly get along. And that extends for far, far more than Jinder Mahal's title reign. Because as down as I've been on his championship reign, I also don't think it's even close to the problem with WWE itself. It's another symptom of the disease of bad booking and baffling creative decisions that have affected WWE in at least the last year.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Sept 23, 2017 19:56:46 GMT -5
The one thing I find uncomfortable is I've seen instances of casual racism towards India or East Indians or the general ignorance about them. Or the implications it's their fault for Jinders title reign. For instance I remember there was a discussion of why isn't there more PPV's in The UK and someone posts a picture of Vince doing the sarcastic dumb capslock post of "DURRRRRRRRRRRR CUZ WE NEED TO APPEAL TO DA INDIAN MARKET!!!!!" without realizing East Indians make up the 3rd biggest ethnicity in England. Or why can't he speak Hindi because that's the more commonly spoken language. Just weird things like that. I don't like Jinders title reigns but let's not resort to casual racism or making alternative facts about a race of people to disparage a title reign you don't like. (this isn't at you sweet but I'm using your post to open this up) To this point there is another problem I dunno how to approach but f*** it here we go. There is a LARGE issue near daily of posters implying other posters here are racists. Like legit this is a thing happening that gets reported a ton. The problem is, I tend to fall on the side of things saying "yeah I can see a bit of racism in this and that" when this pops up. I feel if I just give a blanket statement of "stop calling eachother racists" that's gonna practically give permission to some actually racist idiot to spout something stupid off and then that's on me for setting that up by mistake. Now I dunno what to do exactly except bring this up publicly here, but this is another "us vs them" going on. I'll leave it to the board to selfright themselves on these issues. For now. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 20:06:49 GMT -5
I'm a big Jinder fan, and think he's improved a lot and is doing a fine job during this run. Say what you will, but he's getting heat, even if it is a little bit "cheap." That being said, I can see where people don't like it, or are uncomfortable with the racist undertones of the gimmick.
To each his own, not everybody is going to like everything. But, I'm with the OP, I hate the attitude that is sometimes pervasive around here that the majority opinion is the only opinion, and anyone who disagrees is wrong.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Sept 23, 2017 20:29:59 GMT -5
Honestly, I've seen more pro-Jinder people being dismissive/catty/etc. of people who don't like him than vice versa. The fact this happens at all, for or against, means we all need to step back and revaluate things. Im guilty of it too but it's just not that important |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Sept 23, 2017 20:42:13 GMT -5
Remember people, it's oiled up dudes (and women) play fighting in their underwear. I love wrestling, you all love wrestling (although, there's somedays I question if some of the people here do love and enjoy wrestling) but sweet f*** on a f*** it ain't worth losing sleep over, it ain't worth fighting over, and it ain't worth saying or doing anything you'll regret over. What drew most of us to this place is the fact that we could talk about something as ridiculous as wrestling and have fun with it. You don't have to love everything, don't have to like everything, but it's just a TV show. It'd be like getting mad at someone for enjoying season 17 of the Simpson's
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 20:51:40 GMT -5
Honestly, I've seen more pro-Jinder people being dismissive/catty/etc. of people who don't like him than vice versa. Exactly! The pro Jinder's side has been VERY obnoxious with how those who don't buy into him as champion. So, forgive me if I do sound like an ass, but if I'm going to be called out for dissing someone, then I'm just speaking my case. |
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Post by bootytea on Sept 23, 2017 21:01:18 GMT -5
As someone who adored old school heels that were completely despicable in every way, it's nice to have a character like Jinder who is just a horrible human being. I do look forward to seeing someone put an end to his reign eventually, but it needs to be someone really deserving.
With that in mind, I can see why people don't like Jinder's role as the writing is lazy at times and cheap.
The biggest criticism about pro wrestling playing to stereotypes and simple characters is what makes it pro wrestling so great and different in my opinion. As someone who over thinks things in life, its a treat to watch a simply written show that's so goofy in the way the characters are presented. It helps that I know Jinder is genuinely a cool dude who is cherishing this opportunity.
We are watching grown adults play fight in their underwear for goodness sakes. I just feel people take the product too seriously. You see podcasts, bloggers and even forum members that watch for years and always complain. To me, if you want progressive programming that doesn't rely on stereotypes or simplicity, there are plenty of other shows. I don't want pro wrassling' to lose its essence and just be like every other show out there.
I'll never forget that moment at SummerSlam where I witnessed Jinder defend the title successfully. That was the moment I knew WWE saw something in the guy. For those not down with that, just keep in mind this reign won't be around forever. Just let it build up till one of your favorites dethrones the dude.
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