So is Jinder as champ working well for WWE in India?

[willywonka666]

Or is it too soon to tell?

[This Player Hating Mothman]

Not too soon to tell; the quarterly report from a couple months ago already confirmed that the answer is "No." They're not making any real financial gains in India at all.

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

Oct 24, 2017 21:06:38 GMT -5 This Player Hating Mothman said:

Not too soon to tell; the quarterly report from a couple months ago already confirmed that the answer is "No." They're not making any real financial gains in India at all.

Because India isn’t exactly a haven of disposable income. From what I understand, it’s still a third-world country in a lot of it. They’re passionate about their wrestling, sure, but they don’t have the money to spend on it.

[This Player Hating Mothman]

Oct 24, 2017 21:10:02 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

Oct 24, 2017 21:06:38 GMT -5 This Player Hating Mothman said:

Not too soon to tell; the quarterly report from a couple months ago already confirmed that the answer is "No." They're not making any real financial gains in India at all.

Because India isn’t exactly a haven of disposable income. From what I understand, it’s still a third-world country in a lot of it. They’re passionate about their wrestling, sure, but they don’t have the money to spend on it.

Yeah that's basically what's going on here. India may be a growing market, but it also has a frightening wealth inequality rating, and one that has actually grown over time. The country is getting richer, but the populace is getting poorer, and it seems like WWE has looked into none of those things when deciding to expand there, because they are not going to find a major market in there like they want to. And for the fans they do have who spend money there, those are already fans, already into the product, and they are actually all the f*** over Roman Reigns. Jinder isn't actually making the big moves WWE wanted him to.

[Hobby Drifter]

Yeah. India's not the place to make real money by selling a $10 monthly service on your $800 smartphones. The annual median income in India is $616. WWE isn't going to make much in the way of profit selling goods and services in that country. Most other companies figure this out with relative ease, but not the geniuses over in McMahon-land.

It's like when they noted that RAW had been watched by over a billion people. A number that they got by adding up the TV and live audience numbers over the course of 1,000 episodes. A number that supposes that nobody who watched RAW once ever did again. It'd be like saying that the Professor Smooth who watched RAW last week and the Professor Smooth who watched RAW this week were two separate people.

But the problem is, this doesn't seem to be some kind of PR fluff. Vinny Mac honestly seems to believe his own hype. He sees numbers like this and honestly believes that 1/6th of the population of earth are WWE fans. He sees "India! A country of over a billion people!" and goes "I can double my audience! If all of them buy the network, I'll make another 10 billion dollars every year!"

It's the same with subscriber numbers. It's thought that if you subscribe, cancel your subscription, and subscribe again, WWE counts it as two subscribers. The number isn't "current subscribers" it's "number of total subscriptions sold since the network went up." And it also includes the people who subscribed, got a free month, then cancelled.

And nobody tells him "Hey? Vince? India loves itself some wrestling, but the vast majority of the country doesn't have real money to spend on it. If you cornered the wrestling market in India, your profit in USD would be less than a drop in the bucket."

McMahon could have actually cornered the industries he wanted to be involved in if he'd just have had ONE trusted person who knew what the hell they were doing to reign him in on things. But nah. "Pal! We're gonna be huge in India! A billion new Network subscribers! And the person who's gonna get us there is JINDER MAHAL!"

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They could have probably had the same success if not more just by sending Roman, AJ, and/or Orton or someone over there for PR work, instead they put the title on Jobber Mahal because he's Indian. WWE is wack.

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Oct 24, 2017 21:52:30 GMT -5 @akeemresurrection said:

They could have probably had the same success if not more just by sending Roman, AJ, and/or Orton or someone over there for PR work, instead they put the title on Jobber Mahal because he's Indian. WWE is wack.

You can tell how racist Vince is with this whole thing. He doesn't even realize that wrestling fans in India are going to gravitate to babyface characters, yet he portrays Jinder as a heel, and then expects business to boom in India because he is Indian. He's basically telling the fans how stupid he thinks they are that they would cheer someone just for where he comes from, when it reality if Cena (as white as white can get) showed up in Mumbai there would have likely been way more buzz around it.

I don't expect anything less from a Vince lead organization.

[freeze Austin]

I'm more pissed that they've really damaged Nakamura in the eyes of casual fans and dropped the ball with his first chase more than I am that Jinder's still the champion or isn't drawing them money.

There was no reason for Nakamura to be in a WWE title program at all unless you were ready to make him champion at the end of it.

[angryfan]

Wait, wait, see, hold on, we're missing the point. Jinder is of Indian heritage, sure, but see, he's also from Canada, so that means, if you want to see if he's making an impact,what you do, is you take the total in India, add the totals in all of Canada, then you multiply by total percentage of disappointment that Bret Hart has in Seth Rollins plus the number of times that Natty has ever mentioned Bret being her uncle, and then you have the impact that Jinder is having on the business. Got it?

[Lupin the Third]

Well, time for Plan B.

Sami Zayn: WWE CHAMPION!!!

[Bub (BLM)]

Oct 24, 2017 21:52:30 GMT -5 @akeemresurrection said:

They could have probably had the same success if not more just by sending Roman, AJ, and/or Orton or someone over there for PR work, instead they put the title on Jobber Mahal because he's Indian. WWE is wack.

Yep. I remember Bret being sent all over the globe in the 90's doing ambassador stuff, and he was over huge. No one cared that he was white or Canadian.

[abjordans]

I dunno how accurate this is, so don't give me a bunch of flak for bringing this up, but I feel like I have read several reports that he is actively hurting business in India.

[Mister Pigwell]

Oct 24, 2017 23:24:51 GMT -5 abjordans said:

I dunno how accurate this is, so don't give me a bunch of flak for bringing this up, but I feel like I have read several reports that he is actively hurting business in India.

Yeah I keep seeing people say that too but have yet to see solid numbers from a source.
Not that I'm challenging the validity, just I'd like a source to settle this once and for all on the board.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Sean Daivari who worked in Ring Ka King said that despite being watched by tens of millions the company died. So in India despite drawing good ratings like I'm sure the wwe does, it doesn't translate to huge profit.

Once the wwe realized the Jinder experiment failed, I don't expect him to be featured in anything important ever again. This whole fiasco taught us the important lesson that not everybody can be a main eventer.