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Post by romanstylesiii on Oct 25, 2017 3:25:13 GMT -5
I would say stop paying for tickets,watching RAW or don't subscribe to the WWE network, but attendance is already massively down, TV is down from a few years ago, and network subs are stagnant, so that is not helping.
WWE house shows in some markets are actually getting outdrawn by ROH. Random UK indie shows outdraw a lot of WWE live events currently.
-We have Kane burrying someone 20 years his jr.
-Roman about to get another babyface coronation at Mania
-Jinder Mahal
-50/50 booking from everyone outside the main event
-a general stubbornness not to change plans
No business model can survive without listening to its consumers. The WWE is currently STILL trying to do this, losing money all over the place and for whatever reason does not seem to care.
Braun legitimately got over, and instead of trying (and succeeding with him) they pulled the plug because it did not fit with their plans!!!
That is insane. This KEEPS happening. No GOOD businessperson would do this. It is like The Gap trying to market skirts to men, which sees guys not buying them, and then eliminating every other piece of merchandise until one guy buys a skirt.
This is insane! Vince is practically turning down money to make a point to his customers about being right. WHO DOES THIS!!?
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Oct 25, 2017 3:53:24 GMT -5
Come on, Retire!
Vince: no.
Oh I'll be your friend.
Vince: no.
Oh you're mean!
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Oct 25, 2017 4:11:33 GMT -5
Nope.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Oct 25, 2017 4:38:48 GMT -5
Depending on the size of your biceps I have one idea how.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 5:17:07 GMT -5
I have a good feeling nothing will really change even if Vince retires.
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Post by nisidhe on Oct 25, 2017 5:19:07 GMT -5
All we'd be doing is forcing Vince to rely increasingly on WWE Films to provide the company's primary revenue. The day that WWE Films and the Network become the primary revenue streams for them will also be the day that Vince starts gleefully winding down the 'rasslin' side of the company. If he dies before that happens, then WWE will likely continue for the foreseeable future.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Oct 25, 2017 6:19:45 GMT -5
vince will only retire when he fees like it, which for him will probably ten years after he passes away.
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Post by Push R Truth on Oct 25, 2017 6:26:26 GMT -5
I... I just want to toss out two devil's advocate type points:
1. Are we REALLY that convinced that Vince is the problem with everything? Just because he has the last say doesn't mean he comes up with everything. That, and be prepared to lose things you like. I highly, highly doubt that Vince is the source of all things BAD and zero things GOOD.
2. I'm not convinced the successor won't be even more maniacal. What's my source for that? Look at just about everything Stephanie related and turn it up to 11 when Vince isn't around.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 25, 2017 6:35:53 GMT -5
vince will only retire when he fees like it, which for him will probably ten years after he passes away. “GET ME THAT THING I HEARD ABOUT WHERE THEY PUT THE HEADS IN THE JARS AND THEY STILL LIVE, DAMMIT” “You mean like on Futurama?” “What’s a Futurama?” |
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Post by thecrusherwi on Oct 25, 2017 7:26:12 GMT -5
I... I just want to toss out two devil's advocate type points: 1. Are we REALLY that convinced that Vince is the problem with everything? Just because he has the last say doesn't mean he comes up with everything. That, and be prepared to lose things you like. I highly, highly doubt that Vince is the source of all things BAD and zero things GOOD. 2. I'm not convinced the successor won't be even more maniacal. What's my source for that? Look at just about everything Stephanie related and turn it up to 11 when Vince isn't around. These are great points. Vince has the final ok on everything, but he only gets to ok what he's presented in most cases. Judging by the hypothetical storylines that we've heard ex-writers share over the years, he usually has a choice between what brand of shit he wants to present. I think once Stephanie and Triple H get control, it has the potential to be way worse. The correlation between Stephanie's involvement in booking in 2002 and the nosedive in the quality of the booking for the company is more than just coincidence in my book. She's a big part of it. |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 25, 2017 7:38:45 GMT -5
I... I just want to toss out two devil's advocate type points: 1. Are we REALLY that convinced that Vince is the problem with everything? Just because he has the last say doesn't mean he comes up with everything. That, and be prepared to lose things you like. I highly, highly doubt that Vince is the source of all things BAD and zero things GOOD. 2. I'm not convinced the successor won't be even more maniacal. What's my source for that? Look at just about everything Stephanie related and turn it up to 11 when Vince isn't around. These are great points. Vince has the final ok on everything, but he only gets to ok what he's presented in most cases. Judging by the hypothetical storylines that we've heard ex-writers share over the years, he usually has a choice between what brand of shit he wants to present. I think once Stephanie and Triple H get control, it has the potential to be way worse. The correlation between Stephanie's involvement in booking in 2002 and the nosedive in the quality of the booking for the company is more than just coincidence in my book. She's a big part of it. I was just coming here to say this. Vince has his issues but I think people are naive to assume it’ll be better under the Levesques. Stephanie has proven over the last 15 years in her creative and on screen role she is detrimental to wrestling and although HHH is a wrestling guy with a good mind for the business, he has a history of putting his own ego above everything else. I’d like to think things will improve with them but I’m not sure I trust their egos in charge. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 7:41:33 GMT -5
I... I just want to toss out two devil's advocate type points: 1. Are we REALLY that convinced that Vince is the problem with everything? Just because he has the last say doesn't mean he comes up with everything. That, and be prepared to lose things you like. I highly, highly doubt that Vince is the source of all things BAD and zero things GOOD. 2. I'm not convinced the successor won't be even more maniacal. What's my source for that? Look at just about everything Stephanie related and turn it up to 11 when Vince isn't around. I agree with this. I think Vince is used as a scapegoat to blame for the current problems with the programming. Vince may have a lot to do with it, but remember, even his strings are being pulled from investors and advertisers. The narrative that wrestling was a really good period during the Attitude Era, and many say it is because of them following suit of the zeitgeist of the time. Well considering all the crap we have with television and political correctness being shoved down our throats(and no, this isn't going to turn into a political thread), it does seem like WWE is still following suit. Maybe I'm too cynical, as I can't stand TV and Hollywood today. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 9:26:00 GMT -5
Yall sure you want that? It would mean you'd need a whole different person to blame being miserable on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 9:32:21 GMT -5
Yall sure you want that? It would mean you'd need a whole different person to blame being miserable on. We'll blame Road Dogg, he's the new person to blame. When that stops being hip, we'll blame Kevin Dunn again. Then we'll blame Stephanie. And then Triple H. |
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Post by The Shareholder is nude on Oct 25, 2017 9:34:47 GMT -5
I could............
But I won't!
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Post by fw91 on Oct 25, 2017 9:37:14 GMT -5
But he is not to blame for Jinder, then who is?
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Post by Milkman Norm on Oct 25, 2017 9:44:29 GMT -5
No
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Oct 25, 2017 9:51:16 GMT -5
On the one hand, I blame Vince for just about everything wrong with wrestling right now. And with 99.9% of what's wrong with WWE. He won't change plans. He sees things in people that nobody else did, does, or ever will. He's got these bizarre fixations on things that normal people/his audience simply do not share.
BUT, without his bull-headed stubbornness to never give up, he kept the company from either going out of business entirely or selling out to larger entities when any *reasonable* person would have thrown in the towel/taken the money and ran.
So...I'm kind of torn. At this point, Vince is probably the biggest roadblock in front of the fabled "new boom period"...but once he's gone, the countdown to WWE ceasing to exist as an independent entity begins.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 10:08:31 GMT -5
I have a good feeling nothing will really change even if Vince retires. There will be a honey moon period where everything is awesome like NXT from 2013 - Takeover Dallas and then we will get formulaic boring predictable safe booking like NXT now. Unless HHH finds someone who is another Dusty Rhodes or how Vince used to have Pat Patterson as his creative right hand man to extend the honey moon period. Funny thing was Dusty Rhodes was considered 30 years washed up with his early TNA days head creative booking considered to be terrible until NXT saved his legacy. Same thing with Vince in the early 90's and Vince was heavily clamored by everyone to takeover from his father in the 80's and rid his washed up Howdie Doodie franchise champion. |
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Post by Milkman Norm on Oct 25, 2017 10:12:07 GMT -5
vince will only retire when he fees like it, which for him will probably ten years after he passes away. Steph & Triple H have their hands on a Ouji Board: What should we do dad? P-U-S-H R-O-M-A-N R-E-I-G-N-S P-A-L We'll do it! |
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