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Post by psychokiller on Nov 20, 2017 13:55:37 GMT -5
I just feel he’ll figure he’s better off back in Japan. It wouldn’t surprise me if he was making even more money there. It just seems that Vince doesn’t know what to do with him. He’s been booked very bad since debuting on the main roster. He also hasn’t had one memorable match I can recall since making the main roster so maybe I suppose he’s partially to blame himself too. It just hasn’t been a good fit at all. It wouldn’t surprise me if Owens & Zayn leave too within the next year. A lot of these guys likely will just get fed up with feeling like they’re wasting their time being booked like expendable trash & want to move on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 14:00:01 GMT -5
The fact he was being dominated by Ziggler in his opening match says everything. People can talk about the Jinder feud all they want but the fact is Nakamura should have dominated Ziggler. That whole feud was a setup for things afterwards and he hasn't been the same since. His shine got knocked off then. It just makes me wonder how much say he has in his booking or if he even opposes what's given to him. Actually, anyone notice that Ziggler's always the guy downing these new stars? He downed Nakamura. He downed Crews. He downed Kalisto. Hell, that Corbin feud didn't do shit for Corbin. This man's hurting these guys. Idk man but a Ziggler feud seems to make you as dead as Dolph unless you're someone like Ambrose or Miz who are so great they're not damaged by it.
I know Zayn and Owens apparently don't wanna leave the company according to reports within the past few weeks but Nakamura? Man he's fine. The guy is making bank, protecting his body and is seen by more people. People always comment on guys wanting to go back to Japan but you have to think about it this way. You make more money, you're healthier and more people see you. That's what matters most at the end of the day. It's not all about being booked as the best and being the most protected. Health, money and having more eyes on you matters more to most of these guys.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 20, 2017 14:04:24 GMT -5
It's true that Vince has no idea what he's doing with him and that this was in every way a Triple H idea that didn't translate very well at all, but I don't think he's that angry. Nakamura made the switch over to protect his beaten-to-shit body because even if WWE is a harder schedule, it's not as balls-out crazy as he'd have to be working in New Japan. He can relax and coast a bit, not go full blast every match. Which has admittedly led to a lot of backlash from people whose expectations got built up, but it is what it is. He's here to make a lot of money for not as much destruction of his body. He slides by on this for a few years, maybe gets it better when Vince steps down and someone who wants Nakamura to be a top guy takes over, and then once he's made his lots of money, he can retire and try not to crumble into dust too quickly.
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Post by angelofapocalypse on Nov 20, 2017 14:06:03 GMT -5
Like in Ric Flair's book: Japanese guys will be Japanese guys.
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Post by Andy Martin on Nov 20, 2017 14:10:34 GMT -5
Unless his body completely fails him or he gets caught up in some sort of major scandal, I don't see it.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 20, 2017 14:17:27 GMT -5
Was it expected he'd stay longer than his 3-year term to begin with?
I always figured that the idea was that he'd want to work MSG, work Mania, get a few years off from having to go balls-out, and build up a fanbase that'd follow him back to Japan for his final run.
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Post by bootytea on Nov 20, 2017 14:24:11 GMT -5
If he does, he has no one to blame but himself.
The guy has been overshadowed by a lot of talent and has failed to do anything that warrants being a focal part of the company.
Shinsuke leaving wouldn't really make a huge difference and would probably save up money for hungrier NXT call ups.
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Post by eJm on Nov 20, 2017 14:30:02 GMT -5
He probably will leave but I don't think it'll be because of booking.
As others have said, Nakamura pretty much came to WWE from Japan in the same way people from the territories came to the WWF during the Rock N' Wrestling era. He doesn't have to work as hard, he doesn't have to put his body through the same pain and he can get paid more to do it. After the years come up, he can go back to Japan, maybe have a smaller run in NJPW and then retire pretty content with having worked in the two biggest wrestling companies in the world.
It's the reason why Junkyard Dog from Mid-South Wrestling is a completely different worker from WWF Junkyard Dog.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 14:34:34 GMT -5
I thought for sure they'd be doing Nakamura vs. AJ at WM, now I'm not as sure. Still plenty of time between now and then, though. Nak hasn't done a whole lot or me since being called up if I'm being honest. He's just there.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Nov 20, 2017 14:42:41 GMT -5
He just has the KENTA problem: There's not a huge amount very interesting about his matches when he's not allowed to just wail on people as hard as he can.
So, dude has to just learn. Hopefully he understands it's healthier for his own body overall, and this is just the period where he adjusts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 14:46:34 GMT -5
He probably will leave but I don't think it'll be because of booking. As others have said, Nakamura pretty much came to WWE from Japan in the same way people from the territories came to the WWF during the Rock N' Wrestling era. He doesn't have to work as hard, he doesn't have to put his body through the same pain and he can get paid more to do it. After the years come up, he can go back to Japan, maybe have a smaller run in NJPW and then retire pretty content with having worked in the two biggest wrestling companies in the world. It's the reason why Junkyard Dog from Mid-South Wrestling is a completely different worker from WWF Junkyard Dog. That was definitely true then, but I don't know if it is now. Look an the injury rate between WWE and NJPW. Whilst you have guys like Shinata and Honma whose style caught up,with them, the injury rate is actually much lower in New Japan. They go balls out in the singles main events and I can'timagine how hard the g1 is, but WWE has been having weekly hard hitting matches that have taken a real toll. The injury rate has been high for a while, with guys like Rollins, Balor and others all taking significant time out. Also NJPW has less dates, less travel and doesn't have a weekly 'A' show where the wrestling is expected to be at the balls out standard that Raw and Smackdown main events are expected to be. However, that's just injury, a main eventer in WWE is gonna make way more than a main eventer in NJPW and I hope Nakamura is making bank. |
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Nov 20, 2017 14:46:55 GMT -5
I think people are too hard on him. He was built up quickly in NXT and I loved his run there. It's just too bad he hasn't had a similar run on the main roster. I think good things are coming for him in 2018 and that people shouldn't give up so easily. Asuka's in the same boat.
I would still follow Nak if he went to NJPW. I'd find a way to at least. I've invested too much in his character not to.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 20, 2017 14:50:09 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of his at all and I don't "get" him, but I really have no idea why they gave him a WWE title feud if they had no intention of making him champion. He had the fans behind him.
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Post by eJm on Nov 20, 2017 14:54:12 GMT -5
He probably will leave but I don't think it'll be because of booking. As others have said, Nakamura pretty much came to WWE from Japan in the same way people from the territories came to the WWF during the Rock N' Wrestling era. He doesn't have to work as hard, he doesn't have to put his body through the same pain and he can get paid more to do it. After the years come up, he can go back to Japan, maybe have a smaller run in NJPW and then retire pretty content with having worked in the two biggest wrestling companies in the world. It's the reason why Junkyard Dog from Mid-South Wrestling is a completely different worker from WWF Junkyard Dog. That was definitely true then, but I don't know if it is now. Look an the injury rate between WWE and NJPW. Whilst you have guys like Shinata and Honma whose style caught up,with them, the injury rate is actually much lower in New Japan. They go balls out in the singles main events and I can'timagine how hard the g1 is, but WWE has been having weekly hard hitting matches that have taken a real toll. The injury rate has been high for a while, with guys like Rollins, Balor and others all taking significant time out. Also NJPW has less dates, less travel and doesn't have a weekly 'A' show where the wrestling is expected to be at the balls out standard that Raw and Smackdown main events are expected to be. However, that's just injury, a main eventer in WWE is gonna make way more than a main eventer in NJPW and I hope Nakamura is making bank. I get what you're saying and it'd be interesting to compare but I feel like a part of that has to do, especially with guys like Finn, Joe, Rollins, about how much they've gone all out in the indies and in Japan to get to the heights of WWE where those injuries are more likely to catch up to them. Especially considering how more in ring experienced a lot of guys are now instead of the older crop that basically stayed in Ohio, Florida or Memphis for most of their runs until they get called up. That's not to say the schedule doesn't factor in with that and the differences in schedules is much larger than that era so I see what you're saying. |
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Post by AlexaBliss4Life on Nov 20, 2017 14:58:00 GMT -5
Nah, Naka will retire in WWE.
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Post by SparkyPlugg on Nov 20, 2017 14:58:15 GMT -5
He’ll be champ in 2018. I believe that they’ve learned their lesson with Roman. Now they bring them in and have them lose a few times to show vulnerability. They did it with AJ and I think that’s what’s happening with Shin.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 20, 2017 14:59:06 GMT -5
He’ll be champ in 2018. He’s not going anywhere
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on Nov 20, 2017 15:35:19 GMT -5
Yeah he will get a WWE title run in 2018. Probably after Wrestlemania but before Survivor Series since the WWE will always reserve the titles for their 'true' champions during Wrestlemania season but allow indiy/NXT guys to hold the title during the rest of the year. But hopefully I'm proven wrong and we get him VS AJ at WM for the title.
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Post by freeze Austin on Nov 20, 2017 15:43:43 GMT -5
They should've left Miz on Smackdown and had them feud over the IC Title over the summer and into the fall, and use that to build up Nakamura going into next year.
Instead he already feels like a failure that has been demoted for the foreseeable future.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 20, 2017 16:18:50 GMT -5
He just has the KENTA problem: There's not a huge amount very interesting about his matches when he's not allowed to just wail on people as hard as he can. So, dude has to just learn. Hopefully he understands it's healthier for his own body overall, and this is just the period where he adjusts. That's really not a Shinsuke issue, though; the Boma-ye/Kinshasa looks rough but is worked pretty safely, and it's not like he was the stiffest worker in the world to begin with. Guy was always fully capable of getting by on intense charisma and rock solid mat work, but while he has always utilized strikes it's not as if he was potato-ing guys with any regularity back in NJPW. |
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