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Post by Glitch on Nov 20, 2017 22:48:33 GMT -5
If BC gets big enough, would Vince open his check book and ask njpw "how much you want?"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 23:06:41 GMT -5
I believe he already did and they said no.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 20, 2017 23:11:20 GMT -5
Yeah, there was an offer for the Bullet Club license when AJ, Gallows, and Anderson came in and NJPW told them no.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 21, 2017 1:47:41 GMT -5
I can't see NJPW ever selling it no.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 21, 2017 1:55:03 GMT -5
It is probably worth too much in terms of merch sales for them to be comfortable selling it. That said, it was probably smart to at least try, even if it was a longshot that they'd bite.
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Post by TGM on Nov 21, 2017 4:02:36 GMT -5
Why would New Japan say no? I can understand them not selling it outright but maybe licensing it to WWE could have worked.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 21, 2017 4:04:11 GMT -5
Why would New Japan say no? I can understand them not selling it outright but maybe licensing it to WWE could have worked. Because it makes New Japan far more money to have the licence outright than having to split it with the WWE. Because they get a cut of every piece of Merch that has "Bullet Club" written on it. |
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Post by TGM on Nov 21, 2017 4:08:23 GMT -5
Why would New Japan say no? I can understand them not selling it outright but maybe licensing it to WWE could have worked. Because it makes New Japan far more money to have the licence outright than having to split it with the WWE. Because they get a cut of every piece of Merch that has "Bullet Club" written on it. I mean what would be stopping them from having a similar deal with WWE? Even if New Japan were to make say, 10% of every Bullet Club t-shirt that WWE sold, you'd have to imagine WWE would be shifting a lot of BC shirts. That's a big return for not a lot of work. Then again, this is all hypothetical. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 21, 2017 9:05:34 GMT -5
Because it makes New Japan far more money to have the licence outright than having to split it with the WWE. Because they get a cut of every piece of Merch that has "Bullet Club" written on it. I mean what would be stopping them from having a similar deal with WWE? Even if New Japan were to make say, 10% of every Bullet Club t-shirt that WWE sold, you'd have to imagine WWE would be shifting a lot of BC shirts. That's a big return for not a lot of work. Then again, this is all hypothetical. Because they know WWE only wants it because it's something good New Japan has that Vince wants to own so they can't have it. They might make a bunch of money off of it, but it would also give WWE the chance to profit off the only thing currently making them even remotely scared. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 21, 2017 9:11:42 GMT -5
"We'll split the license with you, but only if you take Yujiro and Chase Owens off our hands."
*Vince hangs up the phone*
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 21, 2017 10:27:52 GMT -5
I mean what would be stopping them from having a similar deal with WWE? Even if New Japan were to make say, 10% of every Bullet Club t-shirt that WWE sold, you'd have to imagine WWE would be shifting a lot of BC shirts. That's a big return for not a lot of work. Then again, this is all hypothetical. Because they know WWE only wants it because it's something good New Japan has that Vince wants to own so they can't have it. They might make a bunch of money off of it, but it would also give WWE the chance to profit off the only thing currently making them even remotely scared. Strangely, I'm actually starting to see people in LIJ shirts where I live, and I'm basically in the middle of bumf*** nowhere, |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 21, 2017 10:40:51 GMT -5
Because they know WWE only wants it because it's something good New Japan has that Vince wants to own so they can't have it. They might make a bunch of money off of it, but it would also give WWE the chance to profit off the only thing currently making them even remotely scared. Strangely, I'm actually starting to see people in LIJ shirts where I live, and I'm basically in the middle of bumf*** nowhere, New Japan on the whole is on the rise now and LIJ is becoming a hotter brand too, but at the moment they don't have a very strong stateside presence like Bullet Club does. LIJ specifically is less of a danger and part of the broader rise in New Japan's popularity. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 12:28:14 GMT -5
Man, now that I'm thinking about it - has WWE just basically bought all of their biggest successes for the past decade or so?
I fell out around 2013-2014, but it seems like every act they brought in and actually seemed to work were all just performers who already had established personas and WWE just put them on TV.
Have there been any WWE success stories in the past 10 years that have actually been developed by WWE? And I mean actually developed by WWE - I remember people trying to claim stuff like Daniel Bryan needed WWE's "seasoning" to become a real star which is just....ugh - ridiculous.
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Post by Glitch on Nov 21, 2017 17:51:59 GMT -5
Because it makes New Japan far more money to have the licence outright than having to split it with the WWE. Because they get a cut of every piece of Merch that has "Bullet Club" written on it. I mean what would be stopping them from having a similar deal with WWE? Even if New Japan were to make say, 10% of every Bullet Club t-shirt that WWE sold, you'd have to imagine WWE would be shifting a lot of BC shirts. That's a big return for not a lot of work. Then again, this is all hypothetical. There's the fact that the Bullet Club would be under the mercy of Vince when it comes to their presence in the US. The wwe could potentially damage the value if booked wrong. Especially if the case were to be Vince wanting to milk the brand as much as possible within a short time span. Even more so if they decide later to use BC as enhancement talent for the homegrown teams. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 0:45:42 GMT -5
There would be zero benefit in letting WWE use Bullet Club as long as NJPW is making money with it themselves. It would be like WCW selling the rights to NWO to WWE in 1996.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Nov 22, 2017 4:16:57 GMT -5
I mean what would be stopping them from having a similar deal with WWE? Even if New Japan were to make say, 10% of every Bullet Club t-shirt that WWE sold, you'd have to imagine WWE would be shifting a lot of BC shirts. That's a big return for not a lot of work. Then again, this is all hypothetical. There's the fact that the Bullet Club would be under the mercy of Vince when it comes to their presence in the US. The wwe could potentially damage the value if booked wrong. Especially if the case were to be Vince wanting to milk the brand as much as possible within a short time span. Even more so if they decide later to use BC as enhancement talent for the homegrown teams. Actually, this raises up a good sub-point: New Japan is already allowing ROH to use their trademarks and sell their shirts, and to write off a deal with Vince not only undercuts that association, but opens up possibilities for WWE to also damage ROH's use of the Bullet Club by making the act not seem to exclusive or shiny anymore. That's a deal that would only hurt ROH, and New Japan has a track record of being loyal and good to the companies it allies with. |
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Post by Citizen Snips on Nov 23, 2017 6:53:01 GMT -5
Man, now that I'm thinking about it - has WWE just basically bought all of their biggest successes for the past decade or so? I fell out around 2013-2014, but it seems like every act they brought in and actually seemed to work were all just performers who already had established personas and WWE just put them on TV. Have there been any WWE success stories in the past 10 years that have actually been developed by WWE? And I mean actually developed by WWE - I remember people trying to claim stuff like Daniel Bryan needed WWE's "seasoning" to become a real star which is just....ugh - ridiculous. To be fair, that also describes the Hulkamania Era perfectly. Vince just knew how to market them far better than other promoters. It's not a bad business model at all. |
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Post by eJm on Nov 23, 2017 7:20:49 GMT -5
Why would New Japan say no? I can understand them not selling it outright but maybe licensing it to WWE could have worked. Why would Fox say no to Disney and Marvel for bringing in the X-Men to the MCU? Because, for them, it's better to have all the money then only a percentage of the money. |
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Post by The Barber on Nov 23, 2017 7:52:04 GMT -5
Why would New Japan say no? I can understand them not selling it outright but maybe licensing it to WWE could have worked. The WWE probably low-balled them a number. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2017 9:17:09 GMT -5
If Vince was writing for the Bullet Club it would instantly become uncool. It would be suicide to sell it to him.
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