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Post by mauled on Dec 10, 2017 10:48:04 GMT -5
Flair honestly wasn't helped out by Vader, Rude, or others who had zero interest in putting Flair over, leaving Flair the only major heel who wanted to work Hogan. It's not an accident that Vader lost a match with Hogan by Hogan inexplicably pinning Flair. Hogan still stabbed him in the back, but the others took turns twisting that knife. Vader and Rick had no problem with Flair lol, even Vader put Flair over clean. According to Ric in his book, Rude had heat with Hogan for never working with him in the wwf, and Leon apparently had no problem jobbing, but that Hogan's cartoony style would hurt Vader in Japan, so unfortunately Ric was the odd man out. I kind of feel bad for Vader even more than Flair , he got put into ME runs with 2 different shows and had to do them with the 2 biggest pricks in the business, which screwed them both over. First he got screwed over by Hogan then he goes to the WWF and then has Shawn literally kicking and screaming at him, and burying his push. That’s bad luck
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 10, 2017 10:59:59 GMT -5
For all of the 80s dream match aspect of it Hogan and Flair really don't work as natural opponents when you put it in the ring. The problem is that both guys are there to make the opponent look good in defeat. Hogan worked best going against the monster heels who worked him over, then he made the Superman comeback, boot, leg, etc. Flair would get beaten from pillar to post before finally figuring out a way to screw someone. To do Hogan vs. Flair it means taking someone out of their usual match, which in this case meant that Hogan was put in the position of being the Luger/Nikita/Sting guy that beat up Flair, but at the end of the day it was Hogan match and Hogan simply won. In essence Flair came off like a jobber.
This is one case where I think Vince actually was right. Flair/Savage is a much better natural rivalry, with both guys meshing better as opponents and as characters.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 11, 2017 0:54:47 GMT -5
Lol Ric and Hogan also faced each other in 2002 right after Hulk turned face in the wwe. Guess who lost?
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Post by auph10imitated on Dec 12, 2017 10:38:55 GMT -5
I wasnt really that big of a fan of Hogan vs Flair and dont really get why people clambored for it at Mania 8. The Savage vs Flair feud was far superior and had so much more intensity to it than Hogan just phoning it in. Hogan vs Justice had better chemistry to it as well
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 12, 2017 11:21:21 GMT -5
For all of the 80s dream match aspect of it Hogan and Flair really don't work as natural opponents when you put it in the ring. The problem is that both guys are there to make the opponent look good in defeat. Hogan worked best going against the monster heels who worked him over, then he made the Superman comeback, boot, leg, etc. Flair would get beaten from pillar to post before finally figuring out a way to screw someone. To do Hogan vs. Flair it means taking someone out of their usual match, which in this case meant that Hogan was put in the position of being the Luger/Nikita/Sting guy that beat up Flair, but at the end of the day it was Hogan match and Hogan simply won. In essence Flair came off like a jobber. This is one case where I think Vince actually was right. Flair/Savage is a much better natural rivalry, with both guys meshing better as opponents and as characters. Thing is, Hogan fought smaller guys to great success, Piper, Savage, Dibiase who was basically the WWF version of Ric Flair all had great feuds with Hogan. Whatever it was, something didn't click right with them.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 12, 2017 15:38:13 GMT -5
The only good Hogan vs Flair is the youtube promotion featuring Brutus Briefcase, Meat Stasiak, and Rookie Orton.
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 12, 2017 18:21:50 GMT -5
Piper, 1980s Savage, and Dibiase also weren't in the Flair boat of being guys that got pounded the entire time before cheating to win. Piper and Hogan were mostly unhinged brawls with wacky run ins and chaos. Savage got his share of offense in, and Dibiase in a lot of ways wasn't as formulaic as Flair as a worker.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Dec 12, 2017 20:04:37 GMT -5
Piper, 1980s Savage, and Dibiase also weren't in the Flair boat of being guys that got pounded the entire time before cheating to win. Piper and Hogan were mostly unhinged brawls with wacky run ins and chaos. Savage got his share of offense in, and Dibiase in a lot of ways wasn't as formulaic as Flair as a worker. Indeed, Piper and Dibiase's heel styles was way different from Flair's.
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