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Post by TGM on Dec 6, 2017 8:34:08 GMT -5
I have a feeling Vince just doesn't care anymore about wrestling. He's accomplished nearly everything he's ever wanted in his professional life. He raised wrestling's status in the mainstream (and got everyone speaking most of the vocabulary he invented), he won all the wresting wars and is the top dog, he's turned Wrestlemania into the WWE Super Bowl, he's made his company public - thus making himself a multimillionaire (and sometimes billionaire), while losing little to none of the power to run his company autocratically. What is left? What could he possibly have left that he wants to accomplish? I think there's only one thing: pass his creation on to his children. He doesn't care if that thing is the biggest it could be or not. He just wants to pass it on like his Dad did for him. I think he's hanging on out of a combination of habit, wanting to make sure WWE is in reasonably good shape when he leaves/dies, and wanting to teach his kids as many lessons as he can before it's over. I don't think he gives a shit about putting together a great Raw or making a new hot superstar. And frankly, if I were in his position, I might not either. He still hasn't married Shawn Michaels though.
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Post by Tenshigure on Dec 6, 2017 8:47:31 GMT -5
Sadly, as long as the WWE continues to soar in stock value (it's currently in its highest valuation since going public), Vince will think whatever his company is doing is working. He's effectively worth $1.47 billion thanks to the stock continuing to explode, so he's RICHER than he's ever been, so he's DEFINITELY thinking whatever his company is doing is working.
Long story short: he doesn't care what the hardcore fanbase thinks, because the casual audiences are apparently paying what they're asking for so why should he? It would take a plummeting valuation (read: Vince no longer being a billionaire) to get them to even consider doing what their non-casual audience suggests.
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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 6, 2017 9:18:37 GMT -5
Vince is just as much a fan as he is an owner, so I really wonder if he's satisfied with the product. For a guy that hates sneezing, I would think he'd be furious if he didn't feel the product was up to snuff. I also wonder what it'll be like a few years after Triple H really has control
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 6, 2017 12:35:45 GMT -5
I have a feeling Vince just doesn't care anymore about wrestling. He's accomplished nearly everything he's ever wanted in his professional life. He raised wrestling's status in the mainstream (and got everyone speaking most of the vocabulary he invented), he won all the wresting wars and is the top dog, he's turned Wrestlemania into the WWE Super Bowl, he's made his company public - thus making himself a multimillionaire (and sometimes billionaire), while losing little to none of the power to run his company autocratically. What is left? What could he possibly have left that he wants to accomplish? I think there's only one thing: pass his creation on to his children. He doesn't care if that thing is the biggest it could be or not. He just wants to pass it on like his Dad did for him. I think he's hanging on out of a combination of habit, wanting to make sure WWE is in reasonably good shape when he leaves/dies, and wanting to teach his kids as many lessons as he can before it's over. I don't think he gives a shit about putting together a great Raw or making a new hot superstar. And frankly, if I were in his position, I might not either. He still hasn't married Shawn Michaels Gary Strydom though. Fixed for Googly-Eyed Vince spooging his pants in his chair.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 14:36:13 GMT -5
Nothing.
WWE has a stranglehold on wrestling in the US and Vince seems to lean towards not letting any one company or performer ever eclipse that, even to WWE's detriment.
He kind of seems like he's one of those older dudes who still goes to work every day because he literally doesn't know what else to do with himself otherwise and as a result drags the company down a bit with him as he continues to become less in touch with the audience.
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Post by HardKore on Dec 6, 2017 14:41:42 GMT -5
I know everyone mocks TNA but there was a period when it was good. I must have blinked and missed it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 14:44:42 GMT -5
Nothing will change until they start losing money.
Ratings fan fall, attendance can fall, the entire world can complain about shitty booking but until Vince starts losing the almighty dollar, ain't shit happening. It's all about the money.
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Post by sunnytaker on Dec 6, 2017 15:04:40 GMT -5
all the part timers to tell vince "nah we don't want to do anything this year" and reigns gets hurt of a long period of time. then out of desperation they'll have to try something new.
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Post by angryfan on Dec 6, 2017 15:10:44 GMT -5
Vince is just as much a fan as he is an owner, so I really wonder if he's satisfied with the product. For a guy that hates sneezing, I would think he'd be furious if he didn't feel the product was up to snuff. I also wonder what it'll be like a few years after Triple H really has control You're right, he is a fan as well as an owner, and I think you've got it nailed. He's a fan, and he likes what they're doing because they are booking to make HIM happy. So if he likes it, and in his mind if he likes it then everyone else will too, and stock prices are doing fine, then there is no issue. If 20% of the audience bows out before RAW is over, that's nothing. If the arenas aren't selling out anymore? That's nothing. He likes it, so the "real fans" like it, and the stock price is doing well, so that's all that matters to him.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Dec 6, 2017 15:12:54 GMT -5
Until they company start losing money. The cuts they have made where not big factors being most of the talent where hardly used are where in small roles. I think it will take low attendance at every event or major TV networks not wanting to give them deals. Which even at it's worst USA still gave them a deal. Until someone else like a "WCW" comes in and talent starts leaving and made them change there way by being challenged. It will remain what it is. TNA at its best wasn't enough because booking was still bad but yes matches where good and a ton of talent. They quickly fumbled there shot away.
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Post by AlexaBliss4Life on Dec 6, 2017 15:23:48 GMT -5
the biggest revenue stream are still the tv contracts. If the ratings continue to nosedive when it comes time to renegotiate they are going to be in very little position to negotiate with them. The frustrating thing is that the shows would probably be better if they didn't have Comcast/USA Network to answer to. How is USA an issue? They just supply TV deals and ask WWE to be PG. They don't mangle the best babyface female WWE's ever produced in Bayley.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 6, 2017 15:31:42 GMT -5
The frustrating thing is that the shows would probably be better if they didn't have Comcast/USA Network to answer to. How is USA an issue? They just supply TV deals and ask WWE to be PG. They don't mangle the best babyface female WWE's ever produced in Bayley. They insisted RAW remain 3 hours when WWE asked to cut it back down to 2. They constantly ask for Stephanie to be put front-and-center on RAW.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 6, 2017 15:34:04 GMT -5
Record revenue, yes. But once you take out the expenses of running the company, you're left with a modest profit. Ah ok. Well, a far cry from losing money enough to make any drastic changes I am sure. As far as ratings go, they aren't looked at like they were in the 90s. They made something like $400 million but only got to keep $20 million as profit. That isn't good by any means of the word good.
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Post by AlexaBliss4Life on Dec 6, 2017 21:34:15 GMT -5
How is USA an issue? They just supply TV deals and ask WWE to be PG. They don't mangle the best babyface female WWE's ever produced in Bayley. They insisted RAW remain 3 hours when WWE asked to cut it back down to 2. They constantly ask for Stephanie to be put front-and-center on RAW. Have any proof?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 21:35:06 GMT -5
When 3,000 people show up for a PPV.
Like Taboo Tuesday 2004.
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Post by Rican on Dec 6, 2017 22:53:22 GMT -5
Several people have mentioned it taking another wrestling company stepping up and challenging WWE, but I don't think another wrestling company is ever going to be able to compete with WWE directly like that.
What I DO think could happen to light a fire under WWE's ass, and we're already possibly seeing it on a small scale, is for the indie and international scene to continue to be profitable enough that wrestlers don't need the WWE. Stuff like Jericho working for NJPW, the Young Bucks having the top selling shirt at Hot Topic, and Cody's success could be influential enough for people to just not want to sign with WWE or try for themselves if they're already there. If you can make your own schedule, keep all of your merch money and not deal with shitty booking, bouncing around the indies could be appealing. And at a certain point, Vince won't just be able to toss a 6 figure contract at EVERYONE to convince them.
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Post by Yacht Persona on Dec 6, 2017 22:54:08 GMT -5
Probably nothing. They hate their own fans.
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Post by flowercity on Dec 6, 2017 22:56:27 GMT -5
Ah ok. Well, a far cry from losing money enough to make any drastic changes I am sure. As far as ratings go, they aren't looked at like they were in the 90s. They made something like $400 million but only got to keep $20 million as profit. That isn't good by any means of the word good. Isnt their stock is at an all time high? Or around that? As much as i do not enjoy the product, they are on a financial roll.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 6, 2017 23:20:44 GMT -5
They made something like $400 million but only got to keep $20 million as profit. That isn't good by any means of the word good. Isnt their stock is at an all time high? Or around that? As much as i do not enjoy the product, they are on a financial roll. Not if they don’t have any profit at the end of the year. Which was Madison’s point.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 6, 2017 23:29:34 GMT -5
Honestly, I think they do know they have issues. Knowing that, and knowing what to do about it, are worlds apart.
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