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Post by Wilfred on Dec 23, 2017 10:38:16 GMT -5
I look forward to seeing the jokes the guys at Red Letter Media will make at Max. It'll be great
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Post by chazraps on Dec 23, 2017 13:37:14 GMT -5
President of Netflix: god dammit is there anyone that works here who isn’t a slimy creep? Heaven help him if he turns to Youtubers/Influencers for his programming and the abyss of drug-addicted racist rapists that entire wormhole is.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 23, 2017 13:38:38 GMT -5
I just watched the movie and enjoyed it a lot. Is that not ok now? The hell? It's ok to like a movie, even this one, but the focus should now be on his sexual assault. That's the important thing.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 23, 2017 13:40:31 GMT -5
"I dont like him, this must be true!" Good to see the spirit of Salem and McCarthy still beats strong. Who needs evidence or due process? The internet has spoken! Lock him up and throw away the key. I'm not saying this may not end up being true, but the speed in which y'all seem to believe it because you want to believe it because of your own 'I always felt he was a bit X Y Z' is atrocious. Nah, this is about voices that have been brushed to the side for years finally getting a listening ear to their first-hand accounts of what someone did. That's by far the more important element to what's been happening this last month or two.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 23, 2017 13:52:43 GMT -5
I just watched the movie and enjoyed it a lot. Is that not ok now? The hell? It's ok to like a movie, even this one, but the focus should now be on his sexual assault. That's the important thing. To clarify what I meant, at least per the OP this accusation was made via a shot at Netflix on Twitter. The implication being that they’re somehow guilty by association for having the temerity to employ the accused. I’m cynical but if all the forums for bringing this to light taking a shot at a company just trying to promote it’s film strikes me as one of the absolute worst.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 23, 2017 13:58:30 GMT -5
And Legion makes exactly the point I’ve tried to make in several of these threads. Careers and lives are being ruined here and no one seems to want to take even a second to ask if these claims can be verified. The rush to judgement and acting as if anyone wanting to apply scrutiny is complicit is how things like the “A Rape On Campus” story gets published.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 23, 2017 14:00:27 GMT -5
The Times and The Post spent A YEAR looking into Harvey Weinstein before they published. Now all it takes is just a tweet it seems.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 23, 2017 14:03:11 GMT -5
And Legion makes exactly the point I’ve tried to make in several of these threads. Careers and lives are being ruined here and no one seems to want to take even a second to ask if these claims can be verified. The rush to judgement and acting as if anyone wanting to apply scrutiny is complicit is how things like the “A Rape On Campus” story gets published. Why would someone make a fake sexual assault claim?
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 23, 2017 14:05:07 GMT -5
And Legion makes exactly the point I’ve tried to make in several of these threads. Careers and lives are being ruined here and no one seems to want to take even a second to ask if these claims can be verified. The rush to judgement and acting as if anyone wanting to apply scrutiny is complicit is how things like the “A Rape On Campus” story gets published. Why would someone make a fake sexual assault claim? Attention? Axe to grind? The social credit that now comes with being an outspoken part of the #metoo movement? Look up Brian Banks’ story. It absolutely does happen.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 23, 2017 14:07:20 GMT -5
And Legion makes exactly the point I’ve tried to make in several of these threads. Careers and lives are being ruined here and no one seems to want to take even a second to ask if these claims can be verified. The rush to judgement and acting as if anyone wanting to apply scrutiny is complicit is how things like the “A Rape On Campus” story gets published. Why would someone make a fake sexual assault claim? It isn’t impossible, for example the Duke lacrosse team situation from several years ago. However the odds of a sexual assault claim being false is many magnitudes weaker than the odds of them being true. Especially in a case like this where there are multiple people coming forward speaking up about it.
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Post by eJm on Dec 23, 2017 14:10:16 GMT -5
Why would someone make a fake sexual assault claim? Attention? Axe to grind? The social credit that now comes with being an outspoken part of the #metoo movement? Look up Brian Banks’ story. It absolutely does happen. At the same time, whose ever made money or had career progression from making a sexual assault claim? If you make a fake one, it not only hiders your career, it also puts you in legal danger, not just from the false assault claim but a defamation lawsuit. If anything, most of these claims have gone on to ruin the other person with the amount of comments the accuser gets of either ruining someone’s career (if a woman) or not “manning up” (like men, look at Terry Crews).
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 23, 2017 14:18:16 GMT -5
Attention? Axe to grind? The social credit that now comes with being an outspoken part of the #metoo movement? Look up Brian Banks’ story. It absolutely does happen. At the same time, whose ever made money or had career progression from making a sexual assault claim? If you make a fake one, it not only hiders your career, it also puts you in legal danger, not just from the false assault claim but a defamation lawsuit. If anything, most of these claims have gone on to ruin the other person with the amount of comments the accuser gets of either ruining someone’s career (if a woman) or not “manning up” (like men, look at Terry Crews). All very valid points. I’m not saying that the vast majority of these accusations are not true (indeed, the one in this thread looks very well supported). But the bloodlust and righteous anger in some of these threads is disturbing.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Dec 23, 2017 14:36:58 GMT -5
I think there is a common pattern I’m seeing in some places online (not necessarily saying it’s the case at this forum) where anyone who suggests that at this moment they are nothing but accusations are suddenly “defending the assaulters and belittling the bravery of these people who have spoken out”. On the flip side there are bull-headed c***s who start attacking all these people making these claims as “lying, attention-seeking and bandwagon jumping”. My personal opinion is that I have nothing but respect for anyone who has the courage to speak out about their ordeal (and yes, I’m aware that sounds patronising) but I also have a problem with anyone accused already being deemed as guilty because people don’t like that person. In some cases it’s seemingly pretty clear cut (for example the sheer number of people accusing Weinstein make it hard to suggest otherwise) but it is possible to take a step back and look at both sides of the story.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 23, 2017 15:31:59 GMT -5
Max Landis has always been kind of a sexist, borderline-misogynistic jerk. I'm really not surprised that someone with that little respect for women along with a massive sense of entitlement would be accused of sexual misconduct.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 23, 2017 15:33:26 GMT -5
Max Landis has always been kind of a sexist, borderline-misogynistic jerk. I'm really not surprised that someone with that little respect for women along with a massive sense of entitlement would be accused of sexual misconduct. Lest we forget that he threw a hissy fit about Rey from the new Star Wars trilogy being a Mary Sue.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2017 18:20:04 GMT -5
I look forward to seeing the jokes the guys at Red Letter Media will make at Max. It'll be great That's what Max Landis said. *Slide whistle* He'll be replaced with a cgi version of a young Rich Evans.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Dec 23, 2017 18:33:01 GMT -5
Max Landis has always been kind of a sexist, borderline-misogynistic jerk. I'm really not surprised that someone with that little respect for women along with a massive sense of entitlement would be accused of sexual misconduct. Lest we forget that he threw a hissy fit about Rey from the new Star Wars trilogy being a Mary Sue. I will say that's probably not the best argument, considering Devin Faraci went down for sexual assault pre-Weinstein, and he framed his entire career around being a sort of feminist ally. I still err on the side of the accuser, especially when the accused is, as Cyno put it, "someone with that little respect for women", but that's not always going to be the case.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 23, 2017 19:35:43 GMT -5
I don't hate Landis. Only thing is association if anything, as he reminds me of his dad, which reminds me to the black cloud over his head over what happened with TZ:TM.
And I know I mentioned this before... casting judgment on someone at this time is something I can identify with. I know someone who lost their job as a result...and it was for things taken out of proportion. Sometimes it makes me wonder how seriously I should take this movement. I mean, when does the crying wolf start, if it hasn't already?
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Dec 23, 2017 23:30:11 GMT -5
Why would someone make a fake sexual assault claim? Attention? Axe to grind? The social credit that now comes with being an outspoken part of the #metoo movement? Look up Brian Banks’ story. It absolutely does happen. Dude. My sister got raped last year by a friend of hers. She had the hearing last month and she was absolutely dragged from pillar to post as a witness and he wasn't even called to the stand and eventually got off scot-free. So many sexual assaults go unheard of or unpunished because the balance of power is shifted so far in the favor of the assaulter.
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Post by Glitch on Dec 23, 2017 23:32:53 GMT -5
I remember Mads saying that max used to post here during the early wrestlecrap days.
You are not welcome back, sir! (Even though he cant hear me)
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