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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jan 28, 2018 21:48:33 GMT -5
I kind of feel bad posting this, and I promise I'm not trying to troll or be contrarian.
But I honestly do not get Nakamura's appeal. He came in and set expectations sky high. His match with Zayn was incredible. Maybe that's my issue, expecting too much then getting constant disappointment.
But then... he had more matches. And they just dragged. He won the NXT title and had "dream matches". And they just existed. And more matches, and I just didn't care anymore.
I asked if he had any more good matches in WWE in the live thread, and I got a few answers saying 2 matches? A Cena one and an Orton one? He's been in the company for 2 years? And he's only had a handful of good matches...
So why does he get the pass? Is it on the Zayn match and his Japan legacy? Is it all his whacky charisma? His singalong theme? What am I missing?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 21:48:54 GMT -5
He was in New Japan.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 21:49:58 GMT -5
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Post by Kevin Dunn on Jan 28, 2018 21:51:06 GMT -5
Because he’s a great talent and it would be awesome to see him become the first Asian wwe champion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 21:53:10 GMT -5
Don't feel bad, speak your truth and I'll do you one better, I'll give my honest opinion.
Nakamura hasn't been good on the main roster. f*** all of that "he's great though" because he hasn't done anything to make me think he's great since he's been moved up.
In NXT that Zayn match was amazing but besides that I wasn't impressed, still I let it slide because hey, if you're dope on the main roster then it doesn't matter. Since then the guy's been trash. Ziggler feud was booty, Corbin feud was booty, Mahal feud was booty, the other stuff was booty, the guy's just been disappointing. He's got a great entrance, a great presence but besides that he's just been laming it out so when I see people say "that WK10 match tho" I'm like "but we're in WWE and it's 2018, what you got for me?" and let that be it. The fact is he was from NJPW and he was great there and to some people it carries over.
I'm not one of those people. What have you done for me lately? Nakamura hasn't done shit for me and until he does something I'm gonna say he's been lame as hell regardless of what he did in NJPW.
He's a new winner of the Rumble which is good but I would have given that to Balor in a heartbeat as he's been more consistent. Overall though, Nakamura's been lame to me and he hasn't done anything to change that. Lord knows he better do something before WM hits because if not then there's no reason for me to watch the match with Styles.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 28, 2018 21:53:41 GMT -5
He doesn't get a pass, people like him,find him charismatic and enjoy him.
Saying New Japan is just being sour and having no arguments,it is the same with Punk "Indy Darling" argument.90% of us never watches New Japan.Asking is fine ,encouraged,allowed even!Just don't dry to dismiss him with a silly stroke.
It is fine to not like someone.I know Nakamura is not for everyone,guy is pretty unique
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Post by Juice on Jan 28, 2018 21:53:45 GMT -5
Im not trying to troll by I will troll
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Post by Dub H on Jan 28, 2018 21:55:23 GMT -5
Im not trying to troll by I will troll Guy showed his reasons and was polite,why are you calling him a troll? |
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Post by Jokaine on Jan 28, 2018 21:56:12 GMT -5
I kind of feel bad posting this, and I promise I'm not trying to troll or be contrarian. But I honestly do not get Nakamura's appeal. He came in and set expectations sky high. His match with Zayn was incredible. Maybe that's my issue, expecting too much then getting constant disappointment. But then... he had more matches. And they just dragged. He won the NXT title and had "dream matches". And they just existed. And more matches, and I just didn't care anymore. I asked if he had any more good matches in WWE in the live thread, and I got a few answers saying 2 matches? A Cena one and an Orton one? He's been in the company for 2 years? And he's only had a handful of good matches... So why does he get the pass? Is it on the Zayn match and his Japan legacy? Is it all his whacky charisma? His singalong theme? What am I missing? Nakamura apparently entertains people. What kind of a pass do you think he needs? You mention he's got match quality, a reputation, charisma and dope entrance music and then ask what you're missing. What else does he need to provide you? |
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jan 28, 2018 21:58:26 GMT -5
I kind of feel bad posting this, and I promise I'm not trying to troll or be contrarian. But I honestly do not get Nakamura's appeal. He came in and set expectations sky high. His match with Zayn was incredible. Maybe that's my issue, expecting too much then getting constant disappointment. But then... he had more matches. And they just dragged. He won the NXT title and had "dream matches". And they just existed. And more matches, and I just didn't care anymore. I asked if he had any more good matches in WWE in the live thread, and I got a few answers saying 2 matches? A Cena one and an Orton one? He's been in the company for 2 years? And he's only had a handful of good matches... So why does he get the pass? Is it on the Zayn match and his Japan legacy? Is it all his whacky charisma? His singalong theme? What am I missing? Nakamura apparently entertains people. What kind of a pass do you think he needs? You mention he's got match quality, a reputation, charisma and dope entrance music and then ask what you're missing. What else does he need to provide you? Having good matches NOW. I've seen one. In two years. I either don't even remember or didn't see the other ones. If any other main event guy only had 3 good matches in two years, he'd be getting chased with pitchforks. |
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Post by Sparkybob on Jan 28, 2018 22:00:42 GMT -5
He might be a guy who needs the motivation of being in the spotlight to get good.
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Post by MrElijah on Jan 28, 2018 22:01:12 GMT -5
Don't feel bad, speak your truth and I'll do you one better, I'll give my honest opinion.
Nakamura hasn't been good on the main roster. f*** all of that "he's great though" because he hasn't done anything to make me think he's great since he's been moved up.
In NXT that Zayn match was amazing but besides that I wasn't impressed, still I let it slide because hey, if you're dope on the main roster then it doesn't matter. Since then the guy's been trash. Ziggler feud was booty, Corbin feud was booty, Mahal feud was booty, the other stuff was booty, the guy's just been disappointing. He's got a great entrance, a great presence but besides that he's just been laming it out so when I see people say "that WK10 match tho" I'm like "but we're in WWE and it's 2018, what you got for me?" and let that be it. The fact is he was from NJPW and he was great there and to some people it carries over. I'm not one of those people. What have you done for me lately? Nakamura hasn't done shit for me and until he does something I'm gonna say he's been lame as hell regardless of what he did in NJPW. He's a new winner of the Rumble which is good but I would have given that to Balor in a heartbeat as he's been more consistent. Overall though, Nakamura's been lame to me and he hasn't done anything to change that. Lord knows he better do something before WM hits because if not then there's no reason for me to watch the match with Styles. See, the WWE's logic that the Rumble is over, Nakamura wins, he gets the rub! Which is just damaging logic for the entire roster. |
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jan 28, 2018 22:02:55 GMT -5
He might be a guy who needs the motivation of being in the spotlight to get good. That... doesn't seem like it should be an acceptable reason though. Imagine if Roman Reigns or AJ Styles or Cena sucked 90% of the time because they "weren't motivated" or whatever. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 22:03:50 GMT -5
Don't feel bad, speak your truth and I'll do you one better, I'll give my honest opinion.
Nakamura hasn't been good on the main roster. f*** all of that "he's great though" because he hasn't done anything to make me think he's great since he's been moved up.
In NXT that Zayn match was amazing but besides that I wasn't impressed, still I let it slide because hey, if you're dope on the main roster then it doesn't matter. Since then the guy's been trash. Ziggler feud was booty, Corbin feud was booty, Mahal feud was booty, the other stuff was booty, the guy's just been disappointing. He's got a great entrance, a great presence but besides that he's just been laming it out so when I see people say "that WK10 match tho" I'm like "but we're in WWE and it's 2018, what you got for me?" and let that be it. The fact is he was from NJPW and he was great there and to some people it carries over. I'm not one of those people. What have you done for me lately? Nakamura hasn't done shit for me and until he does something I'm gonna say he's been lame as hell regardless of what he did in NJPW. He's a new winner of the Rumble which is good but I would have given that to Balor in a heartbeat as he's been more consistent. Overall though, Nakamura's been lame to me and he hasn't done anything to change that. Lord knows he better do something before WM hits because if not then there's no reason for me to watch the match with Styles. See, the WWE's logic that the Rumble is over, Nakamura wins, he gets the rub! Which is just damaging logic for the entire roster. Yeah this company's stupid. You can't lose every match and win one and expect to be taken seriously. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 22:04:44 GMT -5
So the hell's the point of a special ring announcer if she's not even announcing the rules?
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jan 28, 2018 22:05:01 GMT -5
He's similar to Orton where they are both top tier talents that half ass their performances unless they're in a prominent spot on the card. He had a good match with Corbin when everyone was ready for him to go back to NXT, had a barnburner with Cena on 3 days notice, and was the only one besides Styles to make Mahal look competent.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jan 28, 2018 22:08:19 GMT -5
He might be a guy who needs the motivation of being in the spotlight to get good. That... doesn't seem like it should be an acceptable reason though. Imagine if Roman Reigns or AJ Styles or Cena sucked 90% of the time because they "weren't motivated" or whatever. Cena has always mailed it in and just chewed up whoever he was against if he wasn't in the top spot. |
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Post by Aboutreika18 on Jan 28, 2018 22:10:19 GMT -5
See, the WWE's logic that the Rumble is over, Nakamura wins, he gets the rub! Which is just damaging logic for the entire roster. Yeah this company's stupid. You can't lose every match and win one and expect to be taken seriously. This is the thing that annoys me most about WWE's booking, it's completely short-term and subject to change without investing in any big picture. It was the same problem with the Jinder title reign. OK, you want to make him Champion, then build him up properly through the midcard and up, or even just on a dominant winning streak. Someone like Chris Kreski, who actually had a long term plan for his angles and managed to control the booking is sorely missed in WWE. |
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Post by Jokaine on Jan 28, 2018 22:10:30 GMT -5
Nakamura apparently entertains people. What kind of a pass do you think he needs? You mention he's got match quality, a reputation, charisma and dope entrance music and then ask what you're missing. What else does he need to provide you? Having good matches NOW. I've seen one. In two years. I either don't even remember or didn't see the other ones. If any other main event guy only had 3 good matches in two years, he'd be getting chased with pitchforks. Well, off the top of my head, Nakamura's had good matches with Cena, Orton, Joe, Corbin and Mahal. Shitting on his match quality is less he hasn't had good matches and more, "The debut matches with Ziggler disappointed." |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 22:13:31 GMT -5
Yeah this company's stupid. You can't lose every match and win one and expect to be taken seriously. This is the thing that annoys me most about WWE's booking, it's completely short-term and subject to change without investing in any big picture. It was the same problem with the Jinder title reign. OK, you want to make him Champion, then build him up properly through the midcard and up, or even just on a dominant winning streak. Someone like Chris Kreski, who actually had a long term plan for his angles and managed to control the booking is sorely missed in WWE. Completely agree with you. Had Jinder actually won for like 6-8 months consistently then he wouldn't have been seen the way he was. It's crazy how the company doesn't get this but that's what short-term booking will do for ya. Shitting on his match quality is less he hasn't had good matches and more, "The debut matches with Ziggler disappointed." As someone who's been watching Nakamura since he's been called up to the main roster I highly disagree and still say he hasn't had a good match yet. If you disagree? You can disagree. I'm saying he hasn't and that's based on what I and others think about his matches. You can't get on people for thinking his matches aren't good if that's their opinion. |
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