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Post by Nikki Heyman on Jan 29, 2018 16:03:56 GMT -5
I'm happier that Steph didn't enter the Rumble or get bombastic during commentary. "Congratulations to all" is one of the most genuine things I've heard out of her while on the program. As for "more eyeballs", when did WWE network crack 3 million "Subscribers"? You could have used here with the news that was out there to get more people to tune into RAW to prop up the sagging numbers, maybe even help that third hour that drops off. She ruined something special for 30 other women who in most cases paved the way that the door was even cracked open for her. I will repeat from a previous post, I do not hate Ronda personally. The presentation of her at the end of an event where she hadn't even been mentioned and takes away from the performers that actually performed is my issue. I wanted Asuka to win, and she did. I wanted Asuka to pick her opponent for Mania, which WWE left open for debate for tonight, but did it in the worst way possible by turning the entire last few minutes into the Ronda Rousey show. It's EXTREMELY rare I get upset about how WWE handles something to this level. The rest of the board has a lot more regular "Ruined FOREVER" moments, maybe this is just old hat for some of you guys. It just bugs me because you're taking it on the value of the Rumble being tainted and in this case now it's being more talked about than ever because of Asuka AND Rousey and the implications of it all. And in storyline Ronda has always had a big head and thought she was the best, why WOULDN'T she crash a party? Why WOULDN'T she try and make it about herself and steal a moment? Look at it from a storyline perspective, something the women's division has been sorely lacking since this Rumble shit began, and it makes total sense and doesn't bug me at all. Nothing is ruined, for the first time in like months I'm interested in what is going on in these divisions, good or bad. The Rumble is not tainted. The post-rumble celebration is.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 29, 2018 16:05:06 GMT -5
It just bugs me because you're taking it on the value of the Rumble being tainted and in this case now it's being more talked about than ever because of Asuka AND Rousey and the implications of it all. And in storyline Ronda has always had a big head and thought she was the best, why WOULDN'T she crash a party? Why WOULDN'T she try and make it about herself and steal a moment? Look at it from a storyline perspective, something the women's division has been sorely lacking since this Rumble shit began, and it makes total sense and doesn't bug me at all. Nothing is ruined, for the first time in like months I'm interested in what is going on in these divisions, good or bad. The Rumble is not tainted. The post-rumble celebration is. I still don't think it is, I think it only added to the eyes, speculation, and interest of the entire product, good or bad. But some people said it ruined the whole Rumble as a whole for them, those people are being truly absurd...
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Post by AlexaBliss4Life on Jan 29, 2018 16:13:34 GMT -5
The Rumble is not tainted. The post-rumble celebration is. I still don't think it is, I think it only added to the eyes, speculation, and interest of the entire product, good or bad. But some people said it ruined the whole Rumble as a whole for them, those people are being truly absurd... Wait, there's actually people that said that? Holy shit...
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Jan 29, 2018 16:19:39 GMT -5
I still don't think it is, I think it only added to the eyes, speculation, and interest of the entire product, good or bad. But some people said it ruined the whole Rumble as a whole for them, those people are being truly absurd... Wait, there's actually people that said that? Holy shit... You'd think this is the first time people have shouted "Ruined FOREVER!!!!!!1!" for things like this
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Post by Indifference Abounds on Jan 29, 2018 16:30:58 GMT -5
I still don't think it is, I think it only added to the eyes, speculation, and interest of the entire product, good or bad. But some people said it ruined the whole Rumble as a whole for them, those people are being truly absurd... I'm actually in that camp ... kinda. I thought the Rumble itself was, for the most part, very enjoyable and quite a bit better than I had expected, but the post-Rumble segment basically succeeded at tainting the whole show for me because it evoked such a strong negative response that I can't divorce that feeling from the night as a whole, at least for the time being. A really great moment can salvage a terrible show - remember the Nexus' debut for example - so why is it so hard to accept that for some people a single moment can put a negative spin on what otherwise would have been very positive? I can appreciate why this booking is a good thing from a storyline perspective or in terms of cross-media attention but neither of those things have anything to do with my emotional response.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 16:36:23 GMT -5
Two things.
1. Marked out huge and loved it (as I did the whole show)
2. Adored the Piper gear. Is she tight with Colt Toombs at all? He's in MMA after all.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 29, 2018 16:37:55 GMT -5
I still don't think it is, I think it only added to the eyes, speculation, and interest of the entire product, good or bad. But some people said it ruined the whole Rumble as a whole for them, those people are being truly absurd... I'm actually in that camp ... kinda. I thought the Rumble itself was, for the most part, very enjoyable and quite a bit better than I had expected, but the post-Rumble segment basically succeeded at tainting the whole show for me because it evoked such a strong negative response that I can't divorce that feeling from the night as a whole, at least for the time being. A really great moment can salvage a terrible show - remember the Nexus' debut for example - so why is it so hard to accept that for some people a single moment can put a negative spin on what otherwise would have been very positive? I can appreciate why this booking is a good thing from a storyline perspective or in terms of cross-media attention but neither of those things have anything to do with my emotional response. I can understand it but from other perspectives of having two genuinely great Rumble winners in one night when I havent had a winner I've liked since 2010, I can't let Ronda showing up derail how happy I am over that...
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Post by AlexaBliss4Life on Jan 29, 2018 16:40:19 GMT -5
Wait, there's actually people that said that? Holy shit... You'd think this is the first time people have shouted "Ruined FOREVER!!!!!!1!" for things like this When it comes to this, it is for me.
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Post by Indifference Abounds on Jan 29, 2018 16:44:01 GMT -5
I can understand it but from other perspectives of having two genuinely great Rumble winners in one night when I havent had a winner I've liked since 2010, I can't let Ronda showing up derail how happy I am over that... That's fair enough and I'm really glad you enjoyed it. I honestly wish I didn't feel the way I do because it was a good-to-great show, but right now I just can't seem to get over it. I was watching the show in Discord with a friend who is a massive Asuka fan and they actually had to drop the call because that last segment made them so angry.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 29, 2018 16:48:05 GMT -5
I still don't think it is, I think it only added to the eyes, speculation, and interest of the entire product, good or bad. But some people said it ruined the whole Rumble as a whole for them, those people are being truly absurd... I'm actually in that camp ... kinda. I thought the Rumble itself was, for the most part, very enjoyable and quite a bit better than I had expected, but the post-Rumble segment basically succeeded at tainting the whole show for me because it evoked such a strong negative response that I can't divorce that feeling from the night as a whole, at least for the time being. A really great moment can salvage a terrible show - remember the Nexus' debut for example - so why is it so hard to accept that for some people a single moment can put a negative spin on what otherwise would have been very positive? I can appreciate why this booking is a good thing from a storyline perspective or in terms of cross-media attention but neither of those things have anything to do with my emotional response. Yeah, this is my whole issue with it. This was a really good show where after the WWE title match the only questionable decision through the night was the two-of-out-three falls match only going to the second fall, no colossally dumb stories to ruin fun matches, the Rumbles were both very different kinds of exciting and well put together, both winners were people I'm fans of and the crowd was into it. I was ready to call it one of the shows that make me glad I stick around through the bad and I was feeling really good about it too. Ronda coming in was like a pin prick to deflate all of that, and it didn't make what came before it bad but it kind of flatlined all of the feelgood nature behind it.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jan 29, 2018 19:35:07 GMT -5
That because Floyd couldn't read the script they gave him. 50 Cent: I don't think Floyd can read a page from a Harry Potter book...no that's unfair to Floyd it would be too hard maybe a page from a Dr Seuss book. On a completely unrelated note, that shit is still funny. #f***thebucketofice
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 19:39:07 GMT -5
Or. Or. They have a different opinion. Christ, this is Star Wars all over again. This “I can say everything sucks because we all have different opinions” sentiment is so lame. The girl hasn’t even had a match yet and read this thread. I mean, maybe she'll turn out to be amazing, but I'm not going to be anything but irritated about a rookie just waltzing in due to her success in a sport I don't give a shit about and being handed the world for it. Especially when we've already had multiple years of the men's booking being completely ruined by them pushing one guy coasting off MMA successes who can't be bothered to expend any effort as an unstoppable killing machine at the expense of everyone around him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 20:44:05 GMT -5
I've gotta admit that I can't help but laugh at the total 180 that a lot of people on the forum have done on Ronda becoming a wrestler. I was dreading her involvement. To be honest, if there's one person that will keep me away from WWE, its Ronda. I'm willing to be the bad guy here in my disdain towards her.
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Post by Reflecto on Jan 29, 2018 21:10:37 GMT -5
I mean, maybe she'll turn out to be amazing, but I'm not going to be anything but irritated about a rookie just waltzing in due to her success in a sport I don't give a shit about and being handed the world for it. Especially when we've already had multiple years of the men's booking being completely ruined by them pushing one guy coasting off MMA successes who can't be bothered to expend any effort as an unstoppable killing machine at the expense of everyone around him. Even then, with the people saying "THE SKY IS FALLING! She's going to suck, I KNOWED IT!" claims going on here is way out of proportion, especially when you consider the following other facts: Shayna Baszler was always "One of Ronda's untalented friends". She's taken to the sport very quickly and become very good, very fast. Ronda's undisputedly a better MMA fighter than her. Sonya Deville was barely outside of MMA competition and has become at least "she's okay." Ronda is undisputedly a better MMA fighter than her. These are undisputable facts that Ronda was better than Baszler and Deville. When you compare female fighters to male fighters, the line is always muddy, but even then: Lashley went into MMA fulltime, and he finally scratched the surface of his potential and became awesome. Matt Riddle was a TUF guy and UFC flameout, now he's arguably the King of the Indies. There is way, way, way too much proof here that Ronda Rousey's going to be AWESOME in the ring, if only because MMA transplants have been KILLING IT for the last few years.
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Post by abjordans on Jan 29, 2018 21:23:36 GMT -5
I mean, maybe she'll turn out to be amazing, but I'm not going to be anything but irritated about a rookie just waltzing in due to her success in a sport I don't give a shit about and being handed the world for it. Especially when we've already had multiple years of the men's booking being completely ruined by them pushing one guy coasting off MMA successes who can't be bothered to expend any effort as an unstoppable killing machine at the expense of everyone around him. Even then, with the people saying "THE SKY IS FALLING! She's going to suck, I KNOWED IT!" claims going on here is way out of proportion, especially when you consider the following other facts: Shayna Baszler was always "One of Ronda's untalented friends". She's taken to the sport very quickly and become very good, very fast. Ronda's undisputedly a better MMA fighter than her. Sonya Deville was barely outside of MMA competition and has become at least "she's okay." Ronda is undisputedly a better MMA fighter than her. These are undisputable facts that Ronda was better than Baszler and Deville. When you compare female fighters to male fighters, the line is always muddy, but even then: Lashley went into MMA fulltime, and he finally scratched the surface of his potential and became awesome. Matt Riddle was a TUF guy and UFC flameout, now he's arguably the King of the Indies. There is way, way, way too much proof here that Ronda Rousey's going to be AWESOME in the ring, if only because MMA transplants have been KILLING IT for the last few years. There is no chance she won’t be good at professional wrestling in my eyes, at least in ring. She is literally a world class athlete with the perfect background to transition to pro wrestling. And she is a freaking smark, she knows the business. She is going to be good, no doubt in my mind. The genuine distaste for her already is a little weird. What has she done so bad that has made for this kind of hate? People in this thread are saying “I am not willing to give her a chance”. Why? Because she lost a couple fights? Not everyone is meant to get punched in the face for a living. She had a great career still though, she just lost her edge. That happens to fighters. Is it because she dates a douchebag? If that is the case, I would dislike every woman in my office. Yea, she didn’t want to fight anymore after getting hit, yea she acted like a baby, but that is the past. It could be WWE’s gain- she is made for this in my eyes. She has always been a worker- her persona in the UFC was a character. I always thought she had a pretty chill personality. She looked so happy to be there last night, I thought it was pretty adorable. Just seems like disproportionate hate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 21:29:42 GMT -5
If there was such thing as a "Pro Wrestling Entry Draft". Rousey would be hands down the 1st overall pick for any promotion. Of course, there are always busts. But you don't pass on a talent like Rousey. It would be like passing on Lebron or Sidney Crosby.
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Post by Kyn on Jan 29, 2018 21:39:12 GMT -5
Even then, with the people saying "THE SKY IS FALLING! She's going to suck, I KNOWED IT!" claims going on here is way out of proportion (...) I don't see that many people saying that. I see a lot more people saying lets wait & see how she does, and that she's by no means a sure thing despite her MMA success (which given the rest of your post, I'm sure you'll disagree with). People seem mad because someone unproven (untested even at this point) got shoehorned into the moment of someone who busted a gut in wrestling to get to her spot. Not because they think she'll be the worst wrestler to ever hit the ring.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 21:45:05 GMT -5
As far as her "Ruining Asukas Moment". Imagine they go to Asuka and explain "You're going to win the Rumble. Then afterword Ronda Rousey, possibly the biggest star in women's sports is going to come out. She's going to try and shake your hand and you're going to slap it and basically tell her to F-off".
I don't think Asuka's reaction would be "Oh no, my moments going to be stolen". She'd probably think "Holy shit, that's really cool!"
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jan 29, 2018 21:46:07 GMT -5
As far as her "Ruining Asukas Moment". Imagine they go to Asuka and explain "You're going to win the Rumble. Then afterword Ronda Rousey, possibly the biggest star in women's sports is going to come out. She's going to try and shake your hand and you're going to slap it and basically tell her to F-off". I don't think Asuka's reaction would "Oh no, my moments going to be stolen". She'd probably think "Holy shit, that's really cool!" I wonder how she'll feel about "And then next month, you lose in 10 seconds to an armbar and make maybe 1/60th of her salary whlie you do it".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 21:47:52 GMT -5
As far as her "Ruining Asukas Moment". Imagine they go to Asuka and explain "You're going to win the Rumble. Then afterword Ronda Rousey, possibly the biggest star in women's sports is going to come out. She's going to try and shake your hand and you're going to slap it and basically tell her to F-off". I don't think reaction would "Oh no, my moments going to be stolen". She'd probably think "Holy shit, that's really cool!" I wonder how she'll feel about "And then next month, you lose in 10 seconds to an armbar and make maybe 1/60th of her salary whlie you do it". We'll see if that unlikely scenario actually happens.
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