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Post by schma on Feb 1, 2018 0:48:59 GMT -5
I assumed that Balor joining with the club would lead to him as a heel.
That said in both Cena's Rumble appearance and his match with Balor they were really playing up him being bothered by the crowd. Generally he just shrugs it off but here was actually demonstrating a reaction that was partly annoyed and partly wanting approval. He also had some heelish mannerisms and actions in their one on one match, right to flashing the 'too sweet' with a smug look on his face right before his AA. Given that this is Cena I doubt he's going heel or even tweener. However, on anyone else stuff like that might make me think maybe they were going heel.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 1, 2018 0:53:46 GMT -5
If anyone turns here, it’d be Balor, but I’m not even 100% sure that’s happening yet.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Feb 1, 2018 1:29:11 GMT -5
Finn won't be booed though. For one, his damn entrance is too cool especially when he's in demon mode as well. Then again faces and heels don't mean anything these days unfortunately.
Heels don't act like bad guys. They mainly just act like individuals who have had a bad day and the faces act more like bad guys these days.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Feb 1, 2018 5:01:51 GMT -5
If WWE had Jesus Christ on their roster, they'd turn him heel before they'd turn Cena. Well, Jesus did stab Cena in a nightclub that one time.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 1, 2018 15:02:19 GMT -5
Balor's been trending heel for awhile now, and I also don't really get why a run-in in the Rumble followed by a one-off match with a clean finish while Cena's in the middle of a different feud is being taken by so many people as Cena must be about to feud with him. Because of things like Balor hitting the Coup De Grace is what lead to Cena's elmination at Survivor Series on top of the things you mentioned. The two continuously have crossed paths in ways like that So they are at least be planting seeds for a Cena and Balor feud or doing a lot of random coincidences with the two. I don't see a reason to turn either one, honestly, but I guess Balor will probably. Yeah, in theory especially if this ends up being the Mania feud neither needs to go full heel but I'd imagine Balor would be the one to do so.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 1, 2018 15:08:18 GMT -5
Finn won't be booed though. For one, his damn entrance is too cool especially when he's in demon mode as well. Then again faces and heels don't mean anything these days unfortunately. Heels don't act like bad guys. They mainly just act like individuals who have had a bad day and the faces act more like bad guys these days. I would expect Finn to cut that entrance out if he goes heel You'll see more of the real rock n rolla Finn without the light up jacket Between Balor and Elias, Cena has options for Mania
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Post by PTBartman on Feb 1, 2018 15:32:25 GMT -5
I voted for John Cena, and I'll tell you why. While some may argue that Finn needs the heel turn, think carefully about how that would play out. Would Finn actually be booed out of the building if he even went full-on Prince Devitt heel? I'm willing to bet no. The work he'd have to do to play a heel in a way that would sell it would be astronomical. He would have to beat Neville for heeling it up on Twitter and Instagram; the charity work would have to cease entirely; forget any PR stuff involving him. All. that. stops. And for what? So Raw gets another heel for people to...cheer? Now consider Cena, the Face Who's Run the Place for the better part of 15 years, whose career is beginning to wind down and who's been making more and more time for movies and no longer really in the main event mix the way he used to be. _Total Divas_ really didn't help his image much, exposing him as kind of high-maintenance and having control issues that have played out in his relationship with Nikki. His social media presence, while no doubt large, isn't quite as actively sought or engaged as some others, and he's not quite the top man in WWE in general that he once was. Here is the torch-passing arc in the making. He comes back from his latest press junket and gets into the big match mix but finds that he's not getting the really big pops he used to get. There's a big dog in the yard he used to call home; some huge guy nobody can control, the champ's a part-timer he's never been able to beat; and now this little foreign guy in the black leather jacket and Speedos runs around doing flippy shit and getting down on his hands and knees and actually playing with the kids. So then he's in the Rumble and - look! - there's that Speedo kid and so, like everyone else he's eliminated in the past, he puts this one out as well - but gets booed like crazy for it. He doesn't understand; he's been able to laugh off the duelling "Let's Go Cena"/"Cena Sucks!" chants and even when the crowd sings "John Cena Sucks" to his entrance music. But now the faces in the crowd aren't nearly as friendly as they used to be and even the kids seem bored with him. Meanwhile, he'd just seen that same crowd cheering his opponent all the way to the ring and for nearly five minutes after he's gotten into the ring. So he beats the kid, but something's not right - he's not getting cheered for winning, he plays to the crowd saying HE'S JUST TRYNA GET TO WRESTLEMANIA! but it doesn't feel like winning because he's not getting cheered anymore. His bitterness grows as he faces each opponent and wins, but he doesn't get the love that he used to get or even the respect and admiration of the kids. Simply put, they could be going with a Hulk Hogan at Bash at the Beach heel turn for John Cena. My answer too. Well put. That's exactly what I was getting in the post rumble raw match and that's what I would have written.
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Post by nisidhe on Feb 1, 2018 15:37:51 GMT -5
Finn won't be booed though. For one, his damn entrance is too cool especially when he's in demon mode as well. Then again faces and heels don't mean anything these days unfortunately. Heels don't act like bad guys. They mainly just act like individuals who have had a bad day and the faces act more like bad guys these days. I would expect Finn to cut that entrance out if he goes heel You'll see more of the real rock n rolla Finn without the light up jacket Between Balor and Elias, Cena has options for Mania. This brings up a good point. What kind of heel would Finn be? While the Real Rocknrolla was entertaining af to American audiences watching New Japan, there's a little thing called the FCC which might make his promo work a little less colorful this time around. I really don't think that they want another DX/NWO incarnation running around WWE (it would probably get "go away" heat more than anything). What I could see is a bumbling duo of brawlers backing up an initially loudmouth, arrogant heel who taps into something he's not equipped to control fully (aka The Demon) and it gets on top of him over time, slowly driving him mad to the point at which not even the Good Brothers can keep him under control. Enter the Wyatts, enter Matt Hardy and the Broken Universe, enter Sister Abigail; enter an entire narrative landscape. Or, they'll screw it up and make an utter hash of it, as usual.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 1, 2018 15:47:27 GMT -5
I would expect Finn to cut that entrance out if he goes heel You'll see more of the real rock n rolla Finn without the light up jacket Between Balor and Elias, Cena has options for Mania. This brings up a good point. What kind of heel would Finn be? While the Real Rocknrolla was entertaining af to American audiences watching New Japan, there's a little thing called the FCC which might make his promo work a little less colorful this time around. I really don't think that they want another DX/NWO incarnation running around WWE (it would probably get "go away" heat more than anything). What I could see is a bumbling duo of brawlers backing up an initially loudmouth, arrogant heel who taps into something he's not equipped to control fully (aka The Demon) and it gets on top of him over time, slowly driving him mad to the point at which not even the Good Brothers can keep him under control. Enter the Wyatts, enter Matt Hardy and the Broken Universe, enter Sister Abigail; enter an entire narrative landscape. Or, they'll screw it up and make an utter hash of it, as usual. Finn will more than likely be the cool, cocky and confident heel with Gallows/Anderson being his muscle. The entrance will go away as well as The Demon entrance at least for the first few months. Finn will more than likely do what he did in Japan and just take it back to basics. Just straight up cheating to win. He would be wise to borrow a little from AJ in regards to aggressiveness as well Would like to see him use Bloody Sunday(1916) as well on wrestlers he can pick up as it would def fit more into his aggressive persona.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 1, 2018 15:57:49 GMT -5
It won't happen, but the Good Brothers turning on Finn to side with (and start dressing like) Cena would be hilarious.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 1, 2018 15:58:28 GMT -5
It won't happen, but the Good Brothers turning on Finn to side with (and start dressing like) Cena would be hilarious. "Hustle, Loyalty, Respect, NERDS!"
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Feb 1, 2018 16:09:20 GMT -5
If WWE had Jesus Christ on their roster, they'd turn him heel before they'd turn Cena. Well, Jesus did stab Cena in a nightclub that one time. You clearly can't trust that whole family, considering how his dad walked out on HBK.
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Post by JTG Fan on Feb 1, 2018 16:32:54 GMT -5
Cena's just trying to get to WrestleMania.
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Post by nisidhe on Feb 1, 2018 17:20:55 GMT -5
This brings up a good point. What kind of heel would Finn be? While the Real Rocknrolla was entertaining af to American audiences watching New Japan, there's a little thing called the FCC which might make his promo work a little less colorful this time around. I really don't think that they want another DX/NWO incarnation running around WWE (it would probably get "go away" heat more than anything). What I could see is a bumbling duo of brawlers backing up an initially loudmouth, arrogant heel who taps into something he's not equipped to control fully (aka The Demon) and it gets on top of him over time, slowly driving him mad to the point at which not even the Good Brothers can keep him under control. Enter the Wyatts, enter Matt Hardy and the Broken Universe, enter Sister Abigail; enter an entire narrative landscape. Or, they'll screw it up and make an utter hash of it, as usual. Finn will more than likely be the cool, cocky and confident heel with Gallows/Anderson being his muscle. The entrance will go away as well as The Demon entrance at least for the first few months. Finn will more than likely do what he did in Japan and just take it back to basics. Just straight up cheating to win. He would be wise to borrow a little from AJ in regards to aggressiveness as well Would like to see him use Bloody Sunday(1916) as well on wrestlers he can pick up as it would def fit more into his aggressive persona. If that's all they're going to do, they might as well not bother. The Miz is right there with the Miztourage; the New Day is in its own world of awesome; the Shield keeps limping along. There are _no_ faces whose betrayal and beatdown at the hands of Balor Club would get the desired reaction from the crowd. If they gave it to Cena or Roman, the place would erupt with cheers; and there is no way they're even going to touch the possibility of them attacking the one babyface purer than Finn has been. I know it's likely inevitable that Finn will turn heel; I know a lot of people here want it. However, from a business perspective six months down the road he's going to be as dead in the water as people see him as being now. The only difference is that WWE loses the merch revenue, the PR value he brings in currently, and a shit-ton of interest from the casuals.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 1, 2018 17:38:03 GMT -5
Finn will more than likely be the cool, cocky and confident heel with Gallows/Anderson being his muscle. The entrance will go away as well as The Demon entrance at least for the first few months. Finn will more than likely do what he did in Japan and just take it back to basics. Just straight up cheating to win. He would be wise to borrow a little from AJ in regards to aggressiveness as well Would like to see him use Bloody Sunday(1916) as well on wrestlers he can pick up as it would def fit more into his aggressive persona. If that's all they're going to do, they might as well not bother. The Miz is right there with the Miztourage; the New Day is in its own world of awesome; the Shield keeps limping along. There are _no_ faces whose betrayal and beatdown at the hands of Balor Club would get the desired reaction from the crowd. If they gave it to Cena or Roman, the place would erupt with cheers; and there is no way they're even going to touch the possibility of them attacking the one babyface purer than Finn has been. I know it's likely inevitable that Finn will turn heel; I know a lot of people here want it. However, from a business perspective six months down the road he's going to be as dead in the water as people see him as being now. The only difference is that WWE loses the merch revenue, the PR value he brings in currently, and a shit-ton of interest from the casuals. I disagree. All of those have nothing to do with Finn because even as good as Miz is he still isn't considered to be on the WWE title level that Finn would be on from this heel turn. Shield won't be a thing and hardly are now, while New Day doesn't have a world title challenger yet He would get even more merch because Balor Club is never going away. Finn has gotten even more cocky and taking on some of Gallow/Anderson tendencies since they have reformed. As I said before he's going to SD and him and The Club beating down Nakamura will get the desired reaction because the crowd loves him. The story can be as simple as Finn being a dick and killing a friendship because he is upset at Nak for trying to steal his spotlight in America
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 1, 2018 18:14:29 GMT -5
Cena can never turn heel. It's part of his brand appeal to be a clean cut good guy superhero. It'd be like David Beckham turning heel.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Feb 1, 2018 19:00:00 GMT -5
Well, Jesus did stab Cena in a nightclub that one time. You clearly can't trust that whole family, considering how his dad walked out on HBK. And the less said about Abraham (Washington), the better. 😊
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 1, 2018 20:46:40 GMT -5
Cena's long past the point where turning heel would matter that much anymore.
It's Balor.
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Post by schma on Feb 2, 2018 0:24:19 GMT -5
One thing I don't get about Cena being all "I'm trying to get to Wrestlemania" is that his character on Smackdown is basically, I'm John Cena and I get a title shot when I want because I'm John Cena. Honestly, it makes sense given how long he's been the face that runs the place. So wouldn't it be I'm John Cena and I'm going to Wrestlemania because I'm John Cena? (though you never have to justify eliminating someone in the Royal Rumble, or you shouldn't have to at least)
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Feb 2, 2018 9:35:16 GMT -5
Cena's long past the point where turning heel would matter that much anymore. It's Balor. He's actually about the same age Hogan was when he turned heel I think. Not that that is necessarily a relevant point of comparison.
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