The Real Double J: Jesse James Storyline in 1996

[The Rick Jericho]

So, what was the point of this?

1. To bury current WCW wrestler Jeff Jarrett?
2. To push Roadie, who would now return as "Double J" Jesse James?
3. To start a feud between the two? Which was impossible seeing as one was WCW and one was WWF.

When Jarrett returned in 1997, between 1997 and 1999, did Road Dogg and Jarrett ever actually feud over this storyline?

The more I think about it, it went nowhere and served no purpose.

Between "The Real" Double J and "The Fake" Razor Ramon and Diesel, fall 1996 was a strange place in the WWF. Along with the ECW invasion.

[Perd]

“And I can’t wait to book a Smackdown that’s total shite”

[Deleted]

I'm not sure but what I do know is that late 1997 he had a gimmick revolving around him shooting on the industry as a whole and frankly speaking during that time it was the worst stuff out on Raw. Sure, you had the gang wars, you had that crappy Light Heavyweight tournament and you had Cornette cutting shitty promos but Jarrett's gimmick was the flatout worst.

I don't get it.

[The Rick Jericho]

Feb 19, 2018 17:42:45 GMT -5 Perd said:

“And I can’t wait to book a Smackdown that’s total shite”

Jeff Jarrett as lead booker to Smackdown in 2018?

Honestly folks, it can't get any worse. Plus at least he has Roode, Styles, etc.... to work with.

[Juice]

I think I was 8 and must remember it entirely wrong cause I thought Roadie was a corner man for double J. It was revealed he recorded the music Double J claimed fame for. And came out as the real performer. They faught and then Jarrett left.

[Deleted]

Feb 19, 2018 17:53:23 GMT -5 The Rick Jericho said:

Feb 19, 2018 17:42:45 GMT -5 Perd said:

“And I can’t wait to book a Smackdown that’s total shite”

Jeff Jarrett as lead booker to Smackdown in 2018?

Honestly folks, it can't get any worse. Plus at least he has Roode, Styles, etc.... to work with.

JJ as lead booker means that he somehow beats AJ and holds the title for like 5 years.

[cjh]

Feb 19, 2018 17:55:53 GMT -5 Juice said:

I think I was 8 and must remember it entirely wrong cause I thought Roadie was a corner man for double J. It was revealed he recorded the music Double J claimed fame for. And came out as the real performer. They faught and then Jarrett left.

They both left at the same time in July 1995 when they were about to start their feud.  Right before Jarrett debuted in WCW in October 1996, WWE brought back the Roadie and revealed he was the actual singer. 

[Juice]

Feb 19, 2018 17:59:22 GMT -5 cjh said:

Feb 19, 2018 17:55:53 GMT -5 Juice said:

I think I was 8 and must remember it entirely wrong cause I thought Roadie was a corner man for double J. It was revealed he recorded the music Double J claimed fame for. And came out as the real performer. They faught and then Jarrett left.

They both left at the same time in July 1995 when they were about to start their feud.  Right before Jarrett debuted in WCW in October 1996, WWE brought back the Roadie and revealed he was the actual singer. 

Ah makes sense then. As far as not feuding about it post 97. Did any new generation stuff like that get rehashed for anyone else?

[fg]

Feb 19, 2018 18:14:32 GMT -5 Juice said:

Feb 19, 2018 17:59:22 GMT -5 cjh said:

They both left at the same time in July 1995 when they were about to start their feud.  Right before Jarrett debuted in WCW in October 1996, WWE brought back the Roadie and revealed he was the actual singer. 

Ah makes sense then. As far as not feuding about it post 97. Did any new generation stuff like that get rehashed for anyone else?

They did have a match on a Sept. '98 episode of Raw when Sean and the Outlaws were feuding with Jarrett and Southern Justice. The announcers played up their history with the history bit ending with them saying Jesse James sung for Jarrett and showed brief clips.

[DSR]

Feb 19, 2018 18:14:32 GMT -5 Juice said:

Feb 19, 2018 17:59:22 GMT -5 cjh said:

They both left at the same time in July 1995 when they were about to start their feud.  Right before Jarrett debuted in WCW in October 1996, WWE brought back the Roadie and revealed he was the actual singer. 

Ah makes sense then. As far as not feuding about it post 97. Did any new generation stuff like that get rehashed for anyone else?

At King of the Ring 98, the New Age Outlaws and the New Midnight Express wrestled against one another. I never heard the commentary for that match, but I assume they referenced that "Bad Ass" Billy Gunn and "Bodacious Bart" Gunn were brothers (or at least former tag partners).

[Deleted]

Feb 19, 2018 17:59:22 GMT -5 cjh said:

Feb 19, 2018 17:55:53 GMT -5 Juice said:

I think I was 8 and must remember it entirely wrong cause I thought Roadie was a corner man for double J. It was revealed he recorded the music Double J claimed fame for. And came out as the real performer. They faught and then Jarrett left.

They both left at the same time in July 1995 when they were about to start their feud.  Right before Jarrett debuted in WCW in October 1996, WWE brought back the Roadie and revealed he was the actual singer. 

I remember a WWF magazine that had the match card for Summerslam 95,
and it included Roadie vs Jarrett, and HBK vs Sid.
So they definitely were scheduled to feud at one point

Roadie accidentally tripped Jarrett when he lost the IC belt to HBK

[Juice]

Feb 19, 2018 18:45:37 GMT -5 DSR said:

Feb 19, 2018 18:14:32 GMT -5 Juice said:

Ah makes sense then. As far as not feuding about it post 97. Did any new generation stuff like that get rehashed for anyone else?

At King of the Ring 98, the New Age Outlaws and the New Midnight Express wrestled against one another. I never heard the commentary for that match, but I assume they referenced that "Bad Ass" Billy Gunn and "Bodacious Bart" Gunn were brothers (or at least former tag partners).

I just looked the match up and they do. I completely shut out that Bart Gunn and Bob Holly were the New Midnight Express.

[GuyOfOwnage]

Feb 19, 2018 17:50:14 GMT -5 @kn said:

I'm not sure but what I do know is that late 1997 he had a gimmick revolving around him shooting on the industry as a whole and frankly speaking during that time it was the worst stuff out on Raw. Sure, you had the gang wars, you had that crappy Light Heavyweight tournament and you had Cornette cutting shitty promos but Jarrett's gimmick was the flatout worst.

I don't get it.

That Jarrett promo from October 97 might be the worst worked shoot in WWE history.

[agent817]

I must point out that I actually recall that in the late-Summer/early-fall of 1998, like in August and September, when X-Pac feuded with Jeff Jarrett, which then led to DX vs. Jarrett/Southern Justice, there was a reference to Road Dogg being Jarrett's manager and that Road Dogg actually was the one who sang "With My Baby Tonight." There was even footage shown on Raw and Livewire during that time.

[Rolent Tex]

Swerve. They’re inducting Road Dogg into the HoF.

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

Feb 19, 2018 17:34:08 GMT -5 The Rick Jericho said:

So, what was the point of this?

1. To bury current WCW wrestler Jeff Jarrett?
2. To push Roadie, who would now return as "Double J" Jesse James?
3. To start a feud between the two? Which was impossible seeing as one was WCW and one was WWF.

According to Bruce Prichard they spent a ton of money on "With My Baby Tonight" and felt that they could hire Road Dogg back for a relatively small amount of money and try to make some money off the song.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Feb 19, 2018 21:05:07 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

Feb 19, 2018 17:34:08 GMT -5 The Rick Jericho said:

So, what was the point of this?

1. To bury current WCW wrestler Jeff Jarrett?
2. To push Roadie, who would now return as "Double J" Jesse James?
3. To start a feud between the two? Which was impossible seeing as one was WCW and one was WWF.

According to Bruce Prichard they spent a ton of money on "With My Baby Tonight" and felt that they could hire Road Dogg back for a relatively small amount of money and try to make some money off the song.

Yeah, Jarrett left right in the middle of the storyline with Jesse James, they both walked out. Unfortunately for Road Dogg, Jarrett left high and dry when he joined WCW, so Dogg had to return with his tail tucked in between his legs and beg for his job back.

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

Feb 19, 2018 21:09:40 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Feb 19, 2018 21:05:07 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

According to Bruce Prichard they spent a ton of money on "With My Baby Tonight" and felt that they could hire Road Dogg back for a relatively small amount of money and try to make some money off the song.

Yeah, Jarrett left right in the middle of the storyline with Jesse James, they both walked out. Unfortunately for Road Dogg, Jarrett left high and dry when he joined WCW, so Dogg had to return with his tail tucked in between his legs and beg for his job back.

IIRC Bruce said (or at least Conrad coaxed it out of him) they spent something like $250k on the song, so I can understand them wanting to get something out of that expense at a time when they couldn't really afford to just write it off.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Feb 19, 2018 21:18:23 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

Feb 19, 2018 21:09:40 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Yeah, Jarrett left right in the middle of the storyline with Jesse James, they both walked out. Unfortunately for Road Dogg, Jarrett left high and dry when he joined WCW, so Dogg had to return with his tail tucked in between his legs and beg for his job back.

IIRC Bruce said (or at least Conrad coaxed it out of him) they spent something like $250k on the song, so I can understand them wanting to get something out of that expense at a time when they couldn't really afford to just write it off.

This was also during the dark ages when they had really bad money problems.

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

Feb 19, 2018 21:23:24 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Feb 19, 2018 21:18:23 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

IIRC Bruce said (or at least Conrad coaxed it out of him) they spent something like $250k on the song, so I can understand them wanting to get something out of that expense at a time when they couldn't really afford to just write it off.

This was also during the dark ages when they had really bad money problems.

That was what I meant about not being able to afford to write it off. $250k was hell of a lot for the company to spend in '95/'96.