mcstoklasa
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Post by mcstoklasa on Feb 21, 2018 11:17:58 GMT -5
So this Mania could feature-
Brock
Cena (basically part time now)
Undertaker
Triple H
Stephanie
Ronda (don’t know her schedule yet)
Shane
Angle (possibly)
Rock (unlikely)
So that’s Brock in a match, Cena and Taker in a match, Shane getting his own match, Trips and Steph and Ronda and one other part timer in a match, even Angle in a match?
That’s quite a lot, isn’t it?
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Feb 21, 2018 11:50:43 GMT -5
We need to start treating WrestleMania like it doesn't matter.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Feb 21, 2018 13:05:58 GMT -5
Can you imagine if over half the card of say, WM17, featured guys from the late 70s to the mid-80s? Because that's basically what we've been looking at for WM these past few years.
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Post by repomark on Feb 21, 2018 13:06:01 GMT -5
I am really not bothered by the number of part timers vs the number of full timers, I only care about whether it is entertaining or not.
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Post by Manute Bol on Feb 21, 2018 13:23:41 GMT -5
I can't see how anyone can consider John Cena a part-timer. Quite a reach.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 13:40:54 GMT -5
I can't see how anyone can consider John Cena a part-timer. Quite a reach. Cena himself said even if he had nothing going on outside of the WWE, he doesn't know if he can do a full-time schedule ever again. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 21, 2018 14:54:53 GMT -5
I can't see how anyone can consider John Cena a part-timer. Quite a reach. He's wrestled less than 60 matches including house shows in the last 12 months and only shows up on TV sparingly. He's not on a Lesnar schedule, sure, but he's not on the road 300 days any more either. |
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 21, 2018 15:13:33 GMT -5
Can you imagine if over half the card of say, WM17, featured guys from the late 70s to the mid-80s? Because that's basically what we've been looking at for WM these past few years. And if WM17 did have that many old dudes taking up all the top billed matches, would the current full-time guys then have gone on to mean anything? If instead of being contained in the gimmick battle royal, the old dudes were main card and it was current roster talents all crammed down into an empty match just to fill up the card? |
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 21, 2018 15:35:10 GMT -5
Brock may only wrestle part-time but it's weird to include him and Cena on this list. They're not stars of yesteryear brought in for a nostalgia pop.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 21, 2018 15:56:05 GMT -5
Brawn will give them all a full time beating.
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Post by Mecca on Feb 21, 2018 16:01:40 GMT -5
Can you imagine if over half the card of say, WM17, featured guys from the late 70s to the mid-80s? Because that's basically what we've been looking at for WM these past few years. And if WM17 did have that many old dudes taking up all the top billed matches, would the current full-time guys then have gone on to mean anything? If instead of being contained in the gimmick battle royal, the old dudes were main card and it was current roster talents all crammed down into an empty match just to fill up the card? And these wrestlemanias looking like this is how we know they've done a poor job building people. That or they just frankly no longer give a rats ass about it. I was explaining to someone the other day what they do now would have been like if when Steve Austin was breaking out he wrestled for the world title on wrestlemania in a midcard throw away match while Bruno Sammartino mainevented the show. |
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Post by Manute Bol on Feb 21, 2018 16:28:44 GMT -5
I can't see how anyone can consider John Cena a part-timer. Quite a reach. He's wrestled less than 60 matches including house shows in the last 12 months and only shows up on TV sparingly. He's not on a Lesnar schedule, sure, but he's not on the road 300 days any more either. 60 matches in 12 months still averages over a match per week. Is that part time comparatively speaking? Sure. But he doesn't belong in the discussion of part timers. |
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 21, 2018 17:04:03 GMT -5
And if WM17 did have that many old dudes taking up all the top billed matches, would the current full-time guys then have gone on to mean anything? If instead of being contained in the gimmick battle royal, the old dudes were main card and it was current roster talents all crammed down into an empty match just to fill up the card? And these wrestlemanias looking like this is how we know they've done a poor job building people. That or they just frankly no longer give a rats ass about it. I was explaining to someone the other day what they do now would have been like if when Steve Austin was breaking out he wrestled for the world title on wrestlemania in a midcard throw away match while Bruno Sammartino mainevented the show. It was a cyclical thing; they had some years of not building anyone properly because everyone got fed to Cena in the end, then they brought in part-timers, then main roster guys became part-timers but didn't go away, then they brought more part-timers, and eventually the show became so focused on part-timers and making them seem more important than main roster guys that it's hard to really get anything going. |
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Feb 21, 2018 17:04:16 GMT -5
Can you imagine if over half the card of say, WM17, featured guys from the late 70s to the mid-80s? Because that's basically what we've been looking at for WM these past few years. Until people cancel their network subscription WM month and stop buying tickets for it they won't learn. People just gladly accept now that the biggest wrestling company in the world at their biggest event will maybe give the fan's one or two matches they want. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 21, 2018 19:45:10 GMT -5
He's wrestled less than 60 matches including house shows in the last 12 months and only shows up on TV sparingly. He's not on a Lesnar schedule, sure, but he's not on the road 300 days any more either. 60 matches in 12 months still averages over a match per week. Is that part time comparatively speaking? Sure. But he doesn't belong in the discussion of part timers. How does he not? If a guy only works 20% of the dates the full-time roster work, and wrestles an average of one TV match a month and one PPV match every two months for the better part of the last 18 months (and a total of 8 since September) he's working part-time. Now, he's definitely not an "only shows up for 'Mania season" nostalgia act yet, but he's midway through the transition into "only shows up for the Big Four" phase. This time next year I expect he'll be off houseshows completel, if not sooner. In terms of this thread, the OP is very clearly talking about 'Mania being dominated by performers who aren't busting their asses on the road week in, week out. |
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Post by KofiMania on Feb 21, 2018 21:05:13 GMT -5
60 matches in 12 months still averages over a match per week. Is that part time comparatively speaking? Sure. But he doesn't belong in the discussion of part timers. How does he not? If a guy only works 20% of the dates the full-time roster work, and wrestles an average of one TV match a month and one PPV match every two months for the better part of the last 18 months (and a total of 8 since September) he's working part-time. Now, he's definitely not an "only shows up for 'Mania season" nostalgia act yet, but he's midway through the transition into "only shows up for the Big Four" phase. This time next year I expect he'll be off houseshows completel, if not sooner. In terms of this thread, the OP is very clearly talking about 'Mania being dominated by performers who aren't busting their asses on the road week in, week out. Then again, if Mania is supposed to be "special" then having people that are seen less often wrestle at Mania does make the event seem more special. People point to Wrestlemania X-7 which was amazing, but that era also had some lackluster Wrestlemanias that seemed like they could have been just any other PPV. |
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Post by segaz on Feb 21, 2018 22:29:08 GMT -5
I am really not bothered by the number of part timers vs the number of full timers, I only care about whether it is entertaining or not. Exactly. If the Matches are entertaining and the feuds enjoyable then I dont care. Hey back in 1992 when i was a kid I thought Hogan and Flair were at least 50 anyway |
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