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Post by the2ndevil on Mar 14, 2018 17:21:54 GMT -5
Since I just finished it, I can say I’m one of the weirdos that really got into Fullmetal Alchemist through the Brotherhood anime. (Which I got into through the live action movie on Netflix)
It’s a fantastic story with an amazing cast of characters. Lust was easily the most interesting of the villains, but she was killed off way too soon; the villains just lacked that real presence to them until Pride showed up, but there was a large gap between them.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 14, 2018 20:21:07 GMT -5
I like the story overall and thought it had a satisfying conclusion
Envy was a good choice as far as the villains go once Lust got killed off and it's ending was one that made sense but also made you feel sorry for it which shows you how great the story is for all the crazy shit Envy did
I feel like every part was played well and never overstayed its welcome. Wenry could have been a shit side character/love interest but overall she added to the show and when it came to her emotional moments they didn't drag on
Everyone got their moments to shine and their wasn't a groaning moment where things didn't make sense. Would give it a high recommendation for those who never watched the series as it flies by real fast and before you know it, you're not wanting the end to come.
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Post by Chiral on Mar 14, 2018 21:03:28 GMT -5
I love FMAB so much. I started with the 2003 one and after finishing Shamballa I was like "no way that's how this ends." and then luckily found out Brotherhood was a thing shortly after.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 14, 2018 21:10:14 GMT -5
I love FMAB so much. I started with the 2003 one and after finishing Shamballa I was like "no way that's how this ends." and then luckily found out Brotherhood was a thing shortly after. Let's pretend the 2003 Anime and Movie never happened The Brotherhood anime will give me hopes they will fix other animes in which they didn't follow the source material or never actually finished the story A longer story like Bleach would be a candidate considering the filler they had but since they only have one arc left I don't think they need to redo the whole anime. Gantz could work since they only go through about 40% of the story.
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Post by the2ndevil on Mar 14, 2018 21:42:27 GMT -5
Envy was a good choice as far as the villains go once Lust got killed off and it's ending was one that made sense but also made you feel sorry for it which shows you how great the story is for all the crazy shit Envy did I was surprised at how affected I was at Envy’s end. It goes back to the strength of the characters. I felt absolutely horrible about Gluttony’s death, because... do we need spoiler warning for a series that’s almost ten years old? Oh, well, I’m doing it anyway. {Spoiler}The way he was begging and crying for Pride not to eat him was just... sad. He was not a complex character. He loved Father and his Homunculi siblings and eating. It sucked seeing him hurt and betrayed by someone he cared about I’ve actually started the ‘03 series. Should be fun to see how they differ along the journey. Was Brotherhood the first Anime re-adaptation to be closer to the Manga, right? This predates Sailor Moon Crystal and Dragon Ball Kai, right? I’d like to see more of them. A Bleach one could be fun.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 14, 2018 22:14:21 GMT -5
Envy was a good choice as far as the villains go once Lust got killed off and it's ending was one that made sense but also made you feel sorry for it which shows you how great the story is for all the crazy shit Envy did I was surprised at how affected I was at Envy’s end. It goes back to the strength of the characters. I felt absolutely horrible about Gluttony’s death, because... do we need spoiler warning for a series that’s almost ten years old? Oh, well, I’m doing it anyway. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}The way he was begging and crying for Pride not to eat him was just... sad. He was not a complex character. He loved Father and his Homunculi siblings and eating. It sucked seeing him hurt and betrayed by someone he cared about I’ve actually started the ‘03 series. Should be fun to see how they differ along the journey. Was Brotherhood the first Anime re-adaptation to be closer to the Manga, right? This predates Sailor Moon Crystal and Dragon Ball Kai, right? I’d like to see more of them. A Bleach one could be fun. All the Homunculus had "good deaths" and fit well into the narrative and while you had characters like Wrath and Envy who made no bones about their nature, they still had somewhat a charm to them and how they died ties everything together I'm not too sure if they are the first anime re adaption but both kai and brotherhood started in 2009. However, Brotherhood essentially did everything over while Kai cut down their old material and molded it into the source without all the filler. As far as older animes getting remakes, we are starting to see that. Hellsing ended up getting the OVA Hellsing Ultimate to do all the source material a few years after the anime, Eureka Seven is getting movies with retelling of the story, Code Geass is getting the anime retold in a movie before they do R3 so I don't think it's farfetched if we see shows like Yuyu Hakusho or even Bleach get another go There's also unfinished anime like Hitman Reborn to consider as well which goes in the Bleach category of long show that you could redo if you wanted to so now you get a full story.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 15, 2018 5:48:35 GMT -5
I think it has severe issues with tonal shift.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 9:41:35 GMT -5
I think the initial show is way better. Brotherhood has its perks - better animation, more faithful to the manga (although honestly I think the anime even with the stupid Earth shit is better plotted than the manga is and anime!Wrath and anime!Sloth are better than manga!Sloth and especially manga!Pride), better fight scenes - but pretty much every scene they both did the original did better, the original doesn't have the constant fast-slow-fast-slow issues, and it manages its bloating cast a lot better. Plus it doesn't have Ling and Olivier stinking it up.
And yeah, Brotherhood's tone is all over the damn place. Like right from the get go, the listing the components of a human body scene in the original is chilling and it does a lot to illustrate how jaded Edward is. Brotherhood for some insane reason plays it for laughs and it just doesn't work at all.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 15, 2018 11:14:52 GMT -5
I think it has severe issues with tonal shift. Yea for majority of the story the jokes do go come from out of left but I think the closing stretch they established the dramatic tone and stuck to it I think for me the overall story just worked
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Post by the2ndevil on Mar 15, 2018 12:42:10 GMT -5
I was surprised just how jokey the show remained following Hughes’s murder.
Maybe it’s because I watched on Netflix, but I liked how the last what, 15 or so episodes took place on the same day, but it didn’t feel like it was stretching things out, to me.
It wasn’t like that old joke:
How many Dragon Ball Z characters does it take to change a lightbulb? One, but it takes them 12 episodes to do it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 15, 2018 13:04:48 GMT -5
I was surprised just how jokey the show remained following Hughes’s murder. Maybe it’s because I watched on Netflix, but I liked how the last what, 15 or so episodes took place on the same day, but it didn’t feel like it was stretching things out, to me. It wasn’t like that old joke: How many Dragon Ball Z characters does it take to change a lightbulb? One, but it takes them 12 episodes to do it. Yea I have no problems with the jokes because they were funny even if they came in situations you didn’t expect but as I said the dramatic tone was very consistent and during the closing stretch there was a lot of emotions involved that stayed consistent to the show The show had high stakes and I did appreciate that they didn’t stick to the dire situation all the time as the show can be very dark when you consider the Hughes murder as well as the alchemist turning his daughter into a chimera and getting killed by scar. The show itself covered all its bases while bringing a satisfying conclusion to the story
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Mar 16, 2018 18:41:52 GMT -5
First, I would like to point out that some characters just demand some silliness. Hughes, Armstrong, Yoki, and Ed (when someone points out his size) are simply ridiculous in both animes. Barry the Chopper became more funny in Brotherhood (I honestly don't remember much about him in the first anime beyond the backstory he gives Alphonse when he meets him).
That being said, Brotherhood does have more severe tonal shifts, but often they serve a purpose. Sometimes they are tension breakers. Sometimes they are just supposed to inspire specific feelings about characters (this is especially true in Episode 4 since you need to take a liking to Nina and Alexander for the ending to have its best impact, and the first anime has them for more episodes to do so).
Having said that, nothing is a jokey as the episode in the fist anime where Ed was chasing after a female thief the whole time. That episode was non-stop jokes.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Mar 17, 2018 1:09:01 GMT -5
I'd happily stick FMA: B right up there beside Avatar in terms of coming-of-age fantasy epic. It layers its stuff and takes its time, so everything feels earned. Actually just getting into the original adaptation recently, seems that the tone is darker than FMA: B out the gate.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Mar 17, 2018 7:45:04 GMT -5
Father, Vicious, Grell along with Itachi and Aizen are my favorite anime villains. Father joined that list after watching Brotherhood such a manipulative monster
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2018 8:38:42 GMT -5
Father, Vicious, Grell along with Itachi and Aizen are my favorite anime villains. Father joined that list after watching Brotherhood such a manipulative monster I honestly can't decide which I like more between Dante and Father, and it's not for good reasons. Father is threatening, I just don't find him even slightly interesting, while Dante I found kind of entertaining but she's totally incompetent and basically not a single one of her plans even slightly works.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 17, 2018 9:32:04 GMT -5
Father, Vicious, Grell along with Itachi and Aizen are my favorite anime villains. Father joined that list after watching Brotherhood such a manipulative monster Wouldn’t Itachi be categorized as an Anti Hero tho? I get what you saying tho as he was a really good villain until Obito gave him the real story. Aizen is a massive dick head so I’d go with him
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 17, 2018 11:34:27 GMT -5
I think it has severe issues with tonal shift. Yea for majority of the story the jokes do go come from out of left but I think the closing stretch they established the dramatic tone and stuck to it I think for me the overall story just worked I only watched the first 10 or 15 or so, but the one with the dog daughter thing was like, emotional whiplash. HA HA HA HA FUN TIMES WITH THE DOG I conducted a hideous science experiment on my own daughter.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 17, 2018 12:04:00 GMT -5
Yea for majority of the story the jokes do go come from out of left but I think the closing stretch they established the dramatic tone and stuck to it I think for me the overall story just worked I only watched the first 10 or 15 or so, but the one with the dog daughter thing was like, emotional whiplash. HA HA HA HA FUN TIMES WITH THE DOG I conducted a hideous science experiment on my own daughter. Yea but I got the overall "message" of that in regards to the dark side of the alchemist word. In a story that openly talks about death but the experiment with the little girl was sort of a oh shit moment. It's effective as far as coming of age for both Ed and Al as they reference this all throughout the show. If you haven't finished the show I would say keep watching because it isn't a throwaway moment
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