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Post by Shark on Mar 29, 2018 0:23:49 GMT -5
Until I watched this thing I had forgotten 90 percent of this movie. Damn was it forgettable. Except for the milk, kylo chest, leia poppins, and the head scratcher that was why they wouldn't use TIE fighters in the pursuit to finish off the resisty, those are the 4 things about the movie I could remember off the top of my head before watching this video. Is it out on video yet? New epic voice guys voice is a lot better than old epic voice guys voice. They actually explain that. The resistance ships are too far out of range for the Star Destroyers to properly cover the TIE fighters. That's why they call Kylo Ren back from his attack. The Tie's can attack, but the cruiser's guns would be able to pick them off.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 7:09:49 GMT -5
Since this also got posted today: Goddamn, Isaac took a beating. At least he got that hug with Finn later on. (That'll be a .gif going viral later today or in 10 minutes, right?) EDIT: Earliest I could find was 2 days ago - of course. twitter.com/astrorainicorn/status/979258376092831744
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Post by Glitch on Mar 30, 2018 4:38:42 GMT -5
It's a fair assessment, but I wish people would stop saying the "it's not the fan movie you wrote in your head" idea when talking about people not liking it. It sounds like an excuse to to protect bad story telling. We may disagree on what bad story telling is(and it's ok to view it differently), but saying "it's not your fan film" makes you look like the equal but opposite of what your accusing the other to be. Which is somebody loving the movie just because it's Star Wars, regardless of it's quality.
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Post by andrew8798 on Mar 30, 2018 19:37:53 GMT -5
Unless I missed it but what was the deal with the dice
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 30, 2018 19:50:27 GMT -5
Dice were from the Millenium Falcon Is kinda odd that they made a big deal out of it, since it never really was before.
Watching the doc now; watched it for the third time (saw it twice in theaters) the other night when I picked it up. Enjoyed it even better this time. It's still great. Right there with the originals. I'd put it either third behind Star Wars and Empire, or fourth right behind Jedi--it and Jedi are a pick'em for where they'd fit.
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Post by prettynami on Mar 30, 2018 21:10:02 GMT -5
Until I watched this thing I had forgotten 90 percent of this movie. Damn was it forgettable. Except for the milk, kylo chest, leia poppins, and the head scratcher that was why they wouldn't use TIE fighters in the pursuit to finish off the resisty, those are the 4 things about the movie I could remember off the top of my head before watching this video. Is it out on video yet? New epic voice guys voice is a lot better than old epic voice guys voice. They actually explain that. The resistance ships are too far out of range for the Star Destroyers to properly cover the TIE fighters. That's why they call Kylo Ren back from his attack. The Tie's can attack, but the cruiser's guns would be able to pick them off. Oh they may have "tried" to explain it but it fails from what they show in the movie itself. Kylo Ren and just two other TIE fighters decimate the Resisty fleet. They cleary show that their weapons can damage the enemy cruisers. And when they show Finn on the big whatever it is the hanger is filled with thousands upon thousands of TIE Fighters, many of which are flying about (Apparently doing nothing since if they were patrolling how could Finn have boarded their ship without getting noticed?). Damn this all coming back like a horrible vietnam flashback!
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Mar 30, 2018 21:27:21 GMT -5
don't be a daffy, there wasn't thousands and thousands of x-wings in the hanger they were NOT patrolling since the cruiser jumped and were staying in bay, so they WOULDN'T be picked off if the chasing first order decided to bumrush them! and sod everyone who wanted their own version, i want to see stuff onscreen like kylo fight off poe in his fighter WHILE JUMPING ABOUT AN ASTEROID FIELD!!! it might happen, it might not happen, but what the hell! the more i think about it, the more i like it, even the stuff in canto bight ..... because that importance will come, as we saw at the very end. oh and the dice was part of the ruse, as they disappeared from the hand of kylo ..... i mean SUPREME LEADER SUPERCHEST loads can be said about it, but seeing it first time on the big screen, i thought it was FASCINATING ..... and still do! now does anyone want some blue milk?
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Post by prettynami on Mar 30, 2018 21:53:20 GMT -5
don't be a daffy, there wasn't thousands and thousands of x-wings in the hanger they were NOT patrolling since the cruiser jumped and were staying in bay, so they WOULDN'T be picked off if the chasing first order decided to bumrush them! I meant the hanger of the super mega ultimate Star Destroyer, if that wasn't clear. I can understand why the resistance fighters were hangered, possibly being fueled after action or something. But the First Order had no CAG patrols to screen their battle line, hence why Finn was able to infiltrate said super mega Star Destroyer so easily (Well, I guess hacking through their shields isn't easy?). But surely the First Order had enough fighters to just crush the resisty right then and there - after all if one has read those visual dictionary technical readouts of the Resurgent Class (the ones they introduced in the Force Awakens), those alone probably had enough fighters to finish them off... Let alone however many the multiples of those ships they had carry plus that big ship that literally has a crew of millions and millions of people. Anyways, not to be too much of a Debbie Downer I'll point out a few of the things the honest trailer reminded me that I liked. The visuals and thrill of the battle in Snoke's chamber were amazing, truly a spectacle. And I loved the idea of a salt planet, although it was sorta wasted since the planet itself wasn't particularly important to any part of that final sequence. And unlike some people I know, the bomb dropping on the dreadnaught thing didn't annoy me (After all there is gravity on the ship, so the bombs can still "drop"... right?), I thought it was a cool visual and I love A-Wings so I was happy to see some in that battle. My brother loved it! He thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread! He only recently saw it though (Somehow, despite being a pretty big Star Wars fan he hadn't seen it till like last week), so I haven't asked him yet what he liked about it - but I have my suspicions. He's a big fan of the Empire (One of those people!) so he probably liked the First Order stomping the resistance.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 30, 2018 21:59:16 GMT -5
It's a fair assessment, but I wish people would stop saying the "it's not the fan movie you wrote in your head" idea when talking about people not liking it. It sounds like an excuse to to protect bad story telling. We may disagree on what bad story telling is(and it's ok to view it differently), but saying "it's not your fan film" makes you look like the equal but opposite of what your accusing the other to be. Which is somebody loving the movie just because it's Star Wars, regardless of it's quality. Except a huge number of criticisms are rooted in "it's not the movie I had in my head," or, at least, people trying to justify their dislike of the story (which they're entitled to) with visions of what should've happened. Disliking Luke's role or thinking Leia Poppins looked stupid is fine. Saying that Luke would never act the way he did or that Leia shouldn't be able to save herself like that because she has no Force training, and plain dismissing the Disney movies as "fan fiction" smacks of "it's not my vision so it sucks." Even on this forum there's pages of comments like that on the main thread.
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Post by Glitch on Mar 31, 2018 5:08:12 GMT -5
It's a fair assessment, but I wish people would stop saying the "it's not the fan movie you wrote in your head" idea when talking about people not liking it. It sounds like an excuse to to protect bad story telling. We may disagree on what bad story telling is(and it's ok to view it differently), but saying "it's not your fan film" makes you look like the equal but opposite of what your accusing the other to be. Which is somebody loving the movie just because it's Star Wars, regardless of it's quality. Except a huge number of criticisms are rooted in "it's not the movie I had in my head," or, at least, people trying to justify their dislike of the story (which they're entitled to) with visions of what should've happened. Disliking Luke's role or thinking Leia Poppins looked stupid is fine. Saying that Luke would never act the way he did or that Leia shouldn't be able to save herself like that because she has no Force training, and plain dismissing the Disney movies as "fan fiction" smacks of "it's not my vision so it sucks." Even on this forum there's pages of comments like that on the main thread. The main criticism a lot of people share is the fact that huge chunks of the film were unnecessary(specifically the ones outside of the Luke/Ray/Kylo parts) and were badly done. Everybody who didn't have a high opinion of the film have their own personal parts they didn't like(like saying certain Jedi powers should exist), but the one unifier they all share is not liking the casino and rebel fleet parts. Yes,people have their own take what should have happened, but that pretty much goes with every movie that disappoints. You could easily find people who tell you what should have happened with the DC movies. There probably are fans who get mad because it wasn't 100% what they had in their head, but it is so unlikely those type of fans numbered so greatly as to cause such a giant backlash to The Last Jedi. Saying the negativity aimed at this film is entirely the result of "it wasn't my fan film" fans is like saying that everybody who liked it is a huge star wars fanboy who will like anything the studio rams down their throats. You don't have to share the same opinion, but this is like putting your fingers in your ears and going "lalalalalala"
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 31, 2018 7:13:09 GMT -5
Honestly my biggest issue is how the film basically trampled all over the majority of the longer running plot points set up in TFA.
So after the movie was over I walked out thinking, “Well...shit...what the hell are they gonna do for the third film of this trilogy?”
If TLJ was either the start or end of a trilogy, I’d honestly probably like it more. As the middle chunk of a trilogy it is now this weird drastic shift. If they are able to somehow land on their feet and recover from this in Episode 9, I have a feeling I’ll probably come to love TLJ over time, but right now I’m just in a daze of, “But...why?”
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Post by Fade on Mar 31, 2018 13:37:43 GMT -5
Honestly my biggest issue is how the film basically trampled all over the majority of the longer running plot points set up in TFA. So after the movie was over I walked out thinking, “Well...shit...what the hell are they gonna do for the third film of this trilogy?” If TLJ was either the start or end of a trilogy, I’d honestly probably like it more. As the middle chunk of a trilogy it is now this weird drastic shift. If they are able to somehow land on their feet and recover from this in Episode 9, I have a feeling I’ll probably come to love TLJ over time, but right now I’m just in a daze of, “But...why?” Bingo. A lot of TLJ seemed like subversion for the sake of subversion. And in many ways, TLJ is a much better film than TFA but it's saying something that it's left me pretty much apathetic whereas TFA had me stoked out of my mind at where the franchise could go.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 31, 2018 16:59:13 GMT -5
I'm the opposite; to me Last Jedi has begun opening up the story beyond the Skywalker/Solo story. Once Ben is gone-defeated-whatever, that bloodline is done. That's interesting. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the Skywalker saga, but it branching out to a larger universe is interesting to me.
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Post by Fade on Mar 31, 2018 17:10:23 GMT -5
I'm the opposite; to me Last Jedi has begun opening up the story beyond the Skywalker/Solo story. Once Ben is gone-defeated-whatever, that bloodline is done. That's interesting. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the Skywalker saga, but it branching out to a larger universe is interesting to me. And you get a whole new trilogy of it too.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 31, 2018 17:14:20 GMT -5
Yep. Pretty psyched.
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Post by jimwilliams on Mar 31, 2018 19:50:32 GMT -5
And in Ridley's case horribly acted not to open up the never ending debate, but after Force Awakens when ever website was desperate for clicks and coming out with endless articles about whether or not Rey is a "mary sue", without a doubt the stupidest one i read said that the character of Rey is not overly powerful with the force because the actress Daisy Ridley could dead lift 175 lbs. so to you i say: the character of Rey was not horrible acted because Daisy Ridley can do 500 hindu squats in a row! So could Benoit, and nobody wants anymore of him either.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 1, 2018 4:45:24 GMT -5
Honestly my biggest issue is how the film basically trampled all over the majority of the longer running plot points set up in TFA. So after the movie was over I walked out thinking, “Well...shit...what the hell are they gonna do for the third film of this trilogy?” If TLJ was either the start or end of a trilogy, I’d honestly probably like it more. As the middle chunk of a trilogy it is now this weird drastic shift. If they are able to somehow land on their feet and recover from this in Episode 9, I have a feeling I’ll probably come to love TLJ over time, but right now I’m just in a daze of, “But...why?” Personally, I like that. Film Series have been a bit predictable for a while, especially Star Wars. A lot of beats of the prequel trilogy we knew because certain things had to happen. Even Return of the Jedi, you knew they'd rescue Han and defeat the Empire. The Force Awakens stuck really closely to the Star Wars Formula. I'm ready to not know what the hell's going to happen and be surprised.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 1, 2018 8:29:49 GMT -5
yeah honestly one of my favorite things about the movie was the way it deliberately flipped the table on everything. honestly I think the franchise needed that because most of the setup in the Force Awakens made everything dangerously close to just being a rehash of the original trilogy.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Apr 1, 2018 15:04:08 GMT -5
The problem is, when you do such a massive shake up like this you kinda need the person who did the shake up to do the follow up as well. I really don’t think it was a good idea to have JJ Abrams do TFA, then bring in Rian Johnson, who basically curb stomped Abrams’ plans, only to bring Abrams back for the last chapter of this trilogy. You have two directors who clearly have wildly different ideas trying to make a cohesive narrative. Basically I’m saying I wouldn’t be shocked if Episode 9 ends up being iffy, because Abrams doesn’t know what the hell to do now.
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