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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 6, 2018 16:54:38 GMT -5
I can buy it though. This is the guy who had Jimmy Olsen shot in the face two minutes after introducing him. Zack Snyder: "What makes you think that Jimmy Olsen was the real Jimmy Olsen? Can't there be two photographers named Jimmy Olsen who work with Lois Lane of the Daily Planet?" There was in Smallville haha.
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Post by Chainsaw on Apr 6, 2018 16:55:32 GMT -5
Y'know, that kinda bugs me, now that I consider it. The last thing Bruce would want is for a bunch of metahumans traipsing in and out of Wayne Manor. Sure, people show up there all the time in the comics, but making the Manor the JLA headquarters paints a bullseye on it that Bruce would never actually want, even if they're trying to make him more buddy-buddy. He'd know a neutral site, like the Watchtower or the Hall Of Justice, would be the better option tactically, for both him and the team. He's not Tony, who makes his new home the Avengers HQ (which lasts all of one movie before they move upstate), because Tony just doesn't give a shit. Then again, these movies don't seem to paint Bruce as a guy who cares if anyone knows he's Batman, unlike the Nolan movies. It's...gah, these movies are so infuriating as a continuity geek.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 17:03:23 GMT -5
Y'know, that kinda bugs me, now that I consider it. The last thing Bruce would want is for a bunch of metahumans traipsing in and out of Wayne Manor. Sure, people show up there all the time in the comics, but making the Manor the JLA headquarters paints a bullseye on it that Bruce would never actually want, even if they're trying to make him more buddy-buddy. He'd know a neutral site, like the Watchtower or the Hall Of Justice, would be the better option tactically, for both him and the team. He's not Tony, who makes his new home the Avengers HQ (which lasts all of one movie before they move upstate), because Tony just doesn't give a shit. Then again, these movies don't seem to paint Bruce as a guy who cares if anyone knows he's Batman, unlike the Nolan movies. It's...gah, these movies are so infuriating as a continuity geek. Although Nolan's movies fall apart like a cheap bicycle when you try & deconstruct them (had to see Interstellar today so that's why I bring it up), they do a decent job establishing things. Snyder has no clue how to build a world. Even Schumacher has him beat there.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Apr 6, 2018 17:06:37 GMT -5
So basically Zack Snyder made an entire Batman movie in his head that he didn't put on film because of reasons and is now telling everybody about the Batman movie in his head because he hopes it'll get people to appreciate the Batman movie he actually made.
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I don't think it's gonna work.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 6, 2018 18:47:31 GMT -5
The Snyder apologists have awoken:
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 6, 2018 19:00:47 GMT -5
The Snyder apologists have awoken: Who mans is that lol because he just went hard
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Apr 6, 2018 20:01:07 GMT -5
I don’t really want to read five pages of this topic, so I’ll jusr say that if you have to explain to the audience why they were wrong for not liking your movie, you made a bad movie.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 6, 2018 20:05:24 GMT -5
thing is if Snyder was "explaining Easter Eggs" people wouldn't say anything.
He's not doing that. He's trying explain points of his movie...
If you have to sit back and explain major points and motivations of your movie after the fact you have failed at making a movie.
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Post by Chainsaw on Apr 6, 2018 20:15:43 GMT -5
thing is if Snyder was "explaining Easter Eggs" people wouldn't say anything. He's not doing that. He's trying explain points of his movie... If you have to sit back and explain major points and motivations of your movie after the fact you have failed at making a movie. Also, all of your points are shit and equate to "Bruce Wayne bones a lot, he he's f***ing away the pain."
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 6, 2018 20:30:25 GMT -5
Just give up and use "you're still talking about it, bro." For everything. Works for other guys of your talent.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 6, 2018 20:46:20 GMT -5
I don’t really want to read five pages of this topic, so I’ll jusr say that if you have to explain to the audience why they were wrong for not liking your movie, you made a bad movie. He's not saying people were wrong The last two days he's been talking about the movie describing narrative like Batman uses Sex as his drugs and how he thinks/wants the dead robin to be Dick Grayson
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Apr 6, 2018 21:19:26 GMT -5
thing is if Snyder was "explaining Easter Eggs" people wouldn't say anything. He's not doing that. He's trying explain points of his movie... If you have to sit back and explain major points and motivations of your movie after the fact you have failed at making a movie. Buh-buh-buh! Marvel! Is, movies. CONSPIRACY!
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Apr 6, 2018 21:23:40 GMT -5
He's not saying people were wrong The last two days he's been talking about the movie describing narrative like Batman uses Sex as his drugs and how he thinks/wants the dead robin to be Dick GraysonThanks, I needed another reason to think Zack Snyder is trash. Get this guy out of moviemaking and send him to an island where he can make any dumb decision he wants.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Apr 6, 2018 21:48:06 GMT -5
While I don't think Snyder is trash and I do understand what he was attempting to do with the characters of Superman and Batman as a whole. I think we can at least agree that he was trying to create something different. Obviously his experimentation didn't work, caused massive backlash, and really just created a divisive rift amongst various comic book and film fans.
I for one loved Man of Steel, I did enjoy Batman Vs. Superman, and I definitely don't believe Justice League deserves the hate it's received. However, from my own perspective, I don't truly blame Snyder for the mess that the DCEU is in at the moment. The blame should fall solely on the studio executives who didn't understand the characters as well, panicked at the success of Marvel, and rather than take their time they attempted to compete with Marvel rather than intelligently build the DCEU properly.
While I do believe there was some form of a, I don't want to say conspiracy, but I do believe that there was an agenda by Pro-Marvel critics who didn't want the DCEU to succeed. So they wrote misleading, hate filled, and over exaggerated reviews that spread like wildfire. Of course that's just my opinion too.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Apr 6, 2018 21:50:43 GMT -5
Both of DC's movie departments (live action/Animated) need sorting. Both are terrible right now What? I thought it was generally agreed that the animated DC films are the one thing they've managed to get right. Unless you're talking about the recent films that's been released? Because War, Under The Red Hood, Public Enemies, The Dark Knight Returns, and Flashpoint Paradox are all kinds of amazing.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Apr 6, 2018 21:51:39 GMT -5
If you have to go out and explain everything in your movie, you didn't make a good movie. Show don't tell.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Apr 6, 2018 22:37:47 GMT -5
The Snyder apologists have awoken: hold up a minute, people. i see this going off the rails. now this random DC fan makes a point. i mean James Gunn having to explain easter eggs? seriously?! what does he have to explain? Guardians of the Galaxy is one of the most iconic properties in the history of comics, nay the history of fiction. everyone grew up hearing tales of Starlord and Rocket. even if you've never read a Guardians comic, you still know about Cosmo the Spacedog and Adam Warlock. its a shared common knowledge that we all have, and thus an explanation is unnecessary. these Justice League films on the other hand, talk about a series no one ever heard of. i mean seriously, who the hell was asking for a Batman movie? and this, uh, Superdude guy? was he even in a comic book before, or did they just make him up for the movie? these are characters not known to people, so yes you have to explain that Batman is a sex addict, and yes you have to clarify that he moved out of Wayne Manor to Wayne House by the Lake when he was 18. the average audience member isn't going to know about these things since DC decided to forgo the Marvel approach of big name characters and instead focused on lesser known franchises that only die hard comic fans know of.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 6, 2018 22:48:18 GMT -5
Both of DC's movie departments (live action/Animated) need sorting. Both are terrible right now What? I thought it was generally agreed that the animated DC films are the one thing they've managed to get right. Unless you're talking about the recent films that's been released? Because War, Under The Red Hood, Public Enemies, The Dark Knight Returns, and Flashpoint Paradox are all kinds of amazing. He's referencing mostly everything after Flashpoint
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Post by Jiren on Apr 6, 2018 23:00:02 GMT -5
What? I thought it was generally agreed that the animated DC films are the one thing they've managed to get right. Unless you're talking about the recent films that's been released? Because War, Under The Red Hood, Public Enemies, The Dark Knight Returns, and Flashpoint Paradox are all kinds of amazing. He's referencing mostly everything after Flashpoint Exactly The only post Flashpoint movie that was any good was "Assault on Arkham". Even the non Nu52 movies have been crap (Killing Joke, Gaslight), Also its lazy animation & art style don't help
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Post by DSR on Apr 6, 2018 23:11:29 GMT -5
He's referencing mostly everything after Flashpoint Exactly The only post Flashpoint movie that was any good was "Assault on Arkham". Even the non Nu52 movies have been crap (Killing Joke, Gaslight), Hopefully "Ninja" is good "Batman: Return of the Caped Crusaders", "Scooby-Doo! & Batman: The Brave and the Bold", and "Lego DC Superheroes: The Flash" are all enjoyable.
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