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Post by Bang Bang Bart on May 5, 2018 9:31:55 GMT -5
All these hilarious "random characters turning to dust" memes are gonna make it hard for me to take the deaths at the end seriously when I go see the movie again.  |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 5, 2018 10:12:00 GMT -5
Honestly making it 'old Batman' is incongruous with wanting to do multiple movies in a Justice League universe cuz both the character and the actor is gonna age out of that.
It's why cramming Dark Knight Returns into your big team up movie that's meant to springboard your larger universe doesn't work all that well. The two concepts are at odds from the start.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 5, 2018 10:13:16 GMT -5
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 5, 2018 10:23:16 GMT -5
The more time goes by, the more I wish we had seen George Miller's Justice League. It likely wouldn't have been the cornerstone of a universe or anything, but the cast and director at least makes it sound like it'd have been interesting; at least as much as what we got.
And I honestly like the JL we dig get ok. It wasn't very good, but it was decent. But I think Miller's JL would have been decent as well.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on May 5, 2018 10:27:58 GMT -5
As much as I like Affleck as Batman, the fact that they cast a guy who wasn't exactly chomping at the bit to play the role to begin with and has already confirmed he's looking for an exit route after just two ensemble movies was a big mistake as well. He wasn't looking to leave in the early stages and he's said many times in the past that he wasn't leaving. Of course, that might've changed given the performances of Batman vs. Superman, Justice League, his divorce, etc. The sad reality of all of this is DC wasn't ruined by Snyder or Affleck. The studio executives who had all these expectations, mandates, and constantly interfering with the directors vision rather than allowing them to do what they felt was right for the story, characters, and overall quality of the film is what put the DCEU in the limbo that its in. Snyder's vision that initially started with Superman could've worked with time, care, and patience. You're giving Snyder waaaaaay too much credit there. He did work on the scripts and produce the movie on top of directing, and DC made the mistake of giving him free reign when they should have been watching him like a hawk. But I digress. I'm gotta say the prospect of the JLA fighting Darkseid seems less and less interesting the more I think of it. DC has plenty of other world threatening villains that aren't galaxy conqueror #6 (and yes I'm aware that Thanos started as a knockoff). Plus they use Darkseid everywhere too much already. Can we get something different? |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 10:34:51 GMT -5
He wasn't looking to leave in the early stages and he's said many times in the past that he wasn't leaving. Of course, that might've changed given the performances of Batman vs. Superman, Justice League, his divorce, etc. The sad reality of all of this is DC wasn't ruined by Snyder or Affleck. The studio executives who had all these expectations, mandates, and constantly interfering with the directors vision rather than allowing them to do what they felt was right for the story, characters, and overall quality of the film is what put the DCEU in the limbo that its in. Snyder's vision that initially started with Superman could've worked with time, care, and patience. You're giving Snyder waaaaaay too much credit there. He did work on the scripts and produce the movie on top of directing, and DC made the mistake of giving him free reign when they should have been watching him like a hawk. But I digress. I'm gotta say the prospect of the JLA fighting Darkseid seems less and less interesting the more I think of it. DC has plenty of other world threatening villains that aren't galaxy conqueror #6 (and yes I'm aware that Thanos started as a knockoff). Plus they use Darkseid everywhere too much already. Can we get something different? They tried Steppenwolf. That went well. Especially since he kept getting his ass kicked. Problem is, outside of Brainiac, who can they use that the average moviegoer will recognize. They don't have that leverage because they've done a lousy job building the supporting cast. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 5, 2018 10:38:56 GMT -5
I'm not convinced Snyder's vision for the movies would have ever succeeded long term---and I like most of the man's work. Just his takes on things don't fit if you're trying to build these huge universes that people invest decades into. The dour 'deconstructionist' takes can be interesting on their own, but they're not gonna engender a lot of fan loyalty that stretches beyond really hard core comics fans.
I mean hell, look at how affected people were by all the deaths in Infinity War vs Superman's short term death. They killed SUPERMAN and audiences felt nothing really. That's just baffling. And it isn't cuz people knew it was gonna be temporary either, people know that most if not all the IW deaths aren't gonna stick either. They just care enough about those characters that it was shook them.
If there's one person DC's series has failed most of all, it's Cavil. He's a good Superman who should be a great one, but he's barely been given an opportunity to actually be the character.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 5, 2018 10:39:40 GMT -5
He wasn't looking to leave in the early stages and he's said many times in the past that he wasn't leaving. Of course, that might've changed given the performances of Batman vs. Superman, Justice League, his divorce, etc. The sad reality of all of this is DC wasn't ruined by Snyder or Affleck. The studio executives who had all these expectations, mandates, and constantly interfering with the directors vision rather than allowing them to do what they felt was right for the story, characters, and overall quality of the film is what put the DCEU in the limbo that its in. Snyder's vision that initially started with Superman could've worked with time, care, and patience. You're giving Snyder waaaaaay too much credit there. He did work on the scripts and produce the movie on top of directing, and DC made the mistake of giving him free reign when they should have been watching him like a hawk. But I digress. I'm gotta say the prospect of the JLA fighting Darkseid seems less and less interesting the more I think of it. DC has plenty of other world threatening villains that aren't galaxy conqueror #6 (and yes I'm aware that Thanos started as a knockoff). Plus they use Darkseid everywhere too much already. Can we get something different? I think it's both, really; yeah, Snyder likely wasn't going to succeed all the way with his vision. I didn't mind Man of Steel, but there were some clear signs there that this might not hold for the long haul. But it's also likely the case that WB probably pushed things like, for example, rushing to get Superman/Batman/Wonder Woman into the same movie as soon as possible, so they could play catch up with Avengers, plus there's all the chaos that surrounded the making/reshooting/editing of Suicide Squad and Justice League. WB's track record over the past decade or so is pretty rancid, ranging from the way they seemed hell bent on draining any vibrancy and enjoyment from the production of the Hobbit trilogy, to the really underwhelming new Harry Potter spinoff series, to how they've gone about trying to get the DCEU going without any real idea in mind what they want the whole thing to be in the first place, and those problems would be there whether or not Snyder was. Wonder Woman feels like the real exception in all of that. As for villains that could be used in other Justice League teamups, a version of the Legion of Doom could certainly work but, yeah, not much work has gone into building that up, either. Sinestro Corps, maybe, once they do whatever they're planning to do with Green Lantern? |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 5, 2018 10:41:18 GMT -5
I'd be down for Brainiac in some sort of Panic in the Sky adaptation.
You don't necessarily need a universe level threat though. You could do a modern take on the Legion of Doom and that be fun as hell. It kinda looks like that's what the post-credit thing of JL was trying to set up; but I doubt we ever get that.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 5, 2018 10:43:04 GMT -5
As much as I like Affleck as Batman, the fact that they cast a guy who wasn't exactly chomping at the bit to play the role to begin with and has already confirmed he's looking for an exit route after just two ensemble movies was a big mistake as well. He wasn't looking to leave in the early stages and he's said many times in the past that he wasn't leaving. Of course, that might've changed given the performances of Batman vs. Superman, Justice League, his divorce, etc. He was clearly motivated in BVS but I think it's overall failure killed his enthusiasm Stone dead. The rumours of Affleck wanting out started floating around before Justice League even wrapped, which of course he denied because it would have overshadowed the movie itself. Pre-JL he stated that The Batman was "f***ing amazing" and he was super pumped for it. Post-JL it became something "I'm contemplating" and then "You don’t do it forever, so I want to find a graceful and cool way to segue out of it." Now even his brother has flat out said he doesn't think Ben will return for a solo movie. And that's all without mentioning the fact that Snyder had to personally talk Affleck into taking on the role, because he'd decided he was done with superhero stuff after the Daredevil fiasco. If you have to be talked into playing Batman at the height of the golden age of comic book movies, maybe you're not a wise long-term investment. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 5, 2018 10:44:29 GMT -5
Suicide Squad honestly would have been way more interesting if it had been divorced from the universe entirely. Ayer doing a Dirty Dozen with B level villains should have been great instead of just a mess with some good stuff in it.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 5, 2018 10:51:18 GMT -5
To the topic at hand, and I haven't mentioned it previously, but boy they made the Iron Spider suit cool here.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on May 5, 2018 11:07:25 GMT -5
To the topic at hand, and I haven't mentioned it previously, but boy they made the Iron Spider suit cool here. When the "claws" popped out of his back to keep Spidey from getting sucked into space, the theater I was in went bonkers. |
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Post by Chiral on May 5, 2018 11:28:28 GMT -5
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 5, 2018 12:41:30 GMT -5
Suicide Squad honestly would have been way more interesting if it had been divorced from the universe entirely. Ayer doing a Dirty Dozen with B level villains should have been great instead of just a mess with some good stuff in it. Well I think it would've been a much better and organized film if it was more based on covert operations like preventing assassinations, hunting The Joker, or stopping an actual nuclear device from detonating. The whole beam in the sky scenario created by a God or evil alien just doesn't work well within the confines of the Suicide Squad mythology. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 5, 2018 12:56:21 GMT -5
That, and the script written so that the threat they were preventing wouldn't have even existed except for them yeah.
But yeah, Dirty Dozen style adventure. Have them do black ops in Bialya where Queen Bee runs things with super-powered operatives.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on May 5, 2018 13:03:35 GMT -5
Just got back from seeing it and it was great. Loved all the interactions and all the cool moments. Plus the ballsy moment to actually dust so many well known characters.
This Was a really well done Thanos movie and I am so glad I got to see this after the build up from Iron Man 1.
I feel this is this generations Empire Strikes Back moment.
Also Dinklage as the blacksmith 'Dwarf' was great too.
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Post by Stu on May 5, 2018 14:02:45 GMT -5
Just sat down for my third viewing. Surrounded by older people who are just here to see what all the excitement is about
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Post by HMARK Center on May 5, 2018 19:12:34 GMT -5
Just got back from seeing it and it was great. Loved all the interactions and all the cool moments. Plus the ballsy moment to actually dust so many well known characters. This Was a really well done Thanos movie and I am so glad I got to see this after the build up from Iron Man 1. I feel this is this generations Empire Strikes Back moment. Also Dinklage as the blacksmith 'Dwarf' was great too. Man, wish I could've gotten that vibe; the overarching sense of "they'll all come back in the next film" really takes me out of the moment, and it keeps it from getting that Empire sense that everything is now different, e.g. how the reveal at the end of Empire totally recasts Luke and Vader's conflict and interactions, from which there's no going back. Here, that feeling of "somebody just has to get the gauntlet and they'll bring back just about everybody" really lessens not only the moment (well executed though it is), but the narrative impact for me. Just makes it feel so much less daring and consequential. |
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Post by r. on May 5, 2018 19:58:41 GMT -5
2nd view in. DC I think you may wanna take a knee until the 2nd part is over because this was just everything. A less talked about surprise was {Spoiler}Red skull showing up in Nidavellir |
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