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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 24, 2018 0:46:15 GMT -5
This thread is here for people to discuss the film after they watch it. Spoiler tags are unnecessary and nothing is off limits. Just remember to keep all discussion here if you don't want to deal with the hassle of adding spoiler tags.... especially as they are not working at the moment.
Let this also be a warning to those who haven't seen the film but still wander into this thread. Read the comments at your own risk. You have been warned.
Here there be spoilers.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 24, 2018 2:16:00 GMT -5
Some early reactions:
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 24, 2018 3:37:16 GMT -5
Apparently Hawkeye and Ant-Man are 100% not in this.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 24, 2018 4:30:04 GMT -5
Full spoilers have apparently leaked. If true, the death list is (spoiler tagged just to make sure you're absolutely sure you want to see): {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Killed by Thanos directly: All Asgardians, Loki, Heimdall, Collector, Gamora (sacrificing "someone he loves" to acquire the Soul Stone). Killed in battle: Ebony Maw, Cull Obsidian, Proxima Midnight, Corvus Glaive, Vision. Killed in the "finger snap": Black Panther, Bucky, Mantis, Drax, Spider-Man, Dr. Strange, Star-Lord, Maria Hill, Nick Fury. Post-credits scene: Fury is attempting to contact Captain Marvel as he dies.
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Post by RKTaker on Apr 24, 2018 6:18:22 GMT -5
Full spoilers have apparently leaked. If true, the death list is (spoiler tagged just to make sure you're absolutely sure you want to see): {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Killed by Thanos directly: All Asgardians, Loki, Heimdall, Collector, Gamora (sacrificing "someone he loves" to acquire the Soul Stone). Killed in battle: Ebony Maw, Cull Obsidian, Proxima Midnight, Corvus Glaive, Vision. Killed in the "finger snap": Black Panther, Bucky, Mantis, Drax, Spider-Man, Dr. Strange, Star-Lord, Maria Hill, Nick Fury. Post-credits scene: Fury is attempting to contact Captain Marvel as he dies. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}i’ve seen conflicting reports about this list i saw the reddit post that mentions these deaths then i saw a youtube video about the death list and it didn’t mention black panther, bucky, spider-man, dr. strange, star lord, mantis, nick fury and maria hill dying so i don’t know if the person who made the video didn’t know about the deaths or the person who made the reddit post wasn’t telling the truth
and for the record the person who made the youtube video also said captain america and war machine die
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 24, 2018 6:36:42 GMT -5
Full spoilers have apparently leaked. If true, the death list is (spoiler tagged just to make sure you're absolutely sure you want to see): {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Killed by Thanos directly: All Asgardians, Loki, Heimdall, Collector, Gamora (sacrificing "someone he loves" to acquire the Soul Stone). Killed in battle: Ebony Maw, Cull Obsidian, Proxima Midnight, Corvus Glaive, Vision. Killed in the "finger snap": Black Panther, Bucky, Mantis, Drax, Spider-Man, Dr. Strange, Star-Lord, Maria Hill, Nick Fury. Post-credits scene: Fury is attempting to contact Captain Marvel as he dies. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}i’ve seen conflicting reports about this list i saw the reddit post that mentions these deaths then i saw a youtube video about the death list and it didn’t mention black panther, bucky, spider-man, dr. strange, star lord, mantis, nick fury and maria hill dying so i don’t know if the person who made the video didn’t know about the deaths or the person who made the reddit post wasn’t telling the truth
and for the record the person who made the youtube video also said captain america and war machine die Or they're both full of shit. But then again:
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Apr 24, 2018 6:44:48 GMT -5
If the bodycount is real, I wonder if the TV/Netflix characters survive.
At the very least, it could figure into the premise of a possible Season 6 of SHIELD.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Apr 24, 2018 7:59:59 GMT -5
IF these spoilers are true: I'm kind of disappointed at the death list. Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk and Black Widow all alive? Was expecting a death from one of the core Avengers. Also, maybe reading the comic book got my hopes up, but it seems most of the heroes deaths come via the disappearances and not by Thanos' hands directly. (Loki and Gamora aside) Guess I was expecting some people to die in direct combat with Thanos like in Infinity Gauntlet #4.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Apr 24, 2018 8:08:13 GMT -5
If these apparent spoilers are true, a bit bummed neither Cap or Stark get killed... unless of course, they save their deaths for Avengers 4 (though in Cap's case, he better not die before saying a certain battlecry).
I mean, one of those two dying in Infinity War as a "all hope is lost?" moment would've been devastatingly amazing.
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Apr 24, 2018 8:15:37 GMT -5
If these apparent spoilers are true, a bit bummed neither Cap or Stark get killed... unless of course, they save their deaths for Avengers 4 (though in Cap's case, he better not die before saying a certain battlecry). ”I’m not going to pay a lot for this muffler”?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 24, 2018 8:46:47 GMT -5
Expanded (possible/probable spoilers): {Spoiler}Movie literally starts off where the after credits from Thor: Ragnarok ends. The Asgardain life boat is a wreck and almost everyone is dead. Thanos already has the power stone, and it's mentioned he destroyed Zandar. He begins crushing Thor's head in an attempt to get Loki to confess where he has hidden the Tesseract. Loki stalls until the Hulk comes in and battles Thanos. Ebony Maw tells the other Children of Thanos not to interfere and let Thanos have his fun. Thanos overpowers Hulk and levels him. Loki Surrenders the Tessaract to Thanos who in turn crushes it to reveal the Space Stone and fits it to the Gauntlet. Loki tries to trick Thanos but is quickly killed. Before Thanos can kill Hulk, Hemidall uses the power of the Bifrost and sends Hulk to Earth, where he lands in the NYC Sanctum. Thanos kills Heimdall before teleporting himself and the Black Order from the ship, which he destroys with the Power Stone.
Pepper Potts and Tony have a scene talking about a dream Tony had of her having a baby, and are interrupted by Dr. Strange, who asks Tony to join him. He and Wong explain about Thanos and the Infinity Stones and how they came to be. While they talking one of the rings shows up and Wong, Tony, Banner Strange try to help the people in the area. Ebony Maw and Cull Obsidian arrive and Banner discovers can't transform into the Hulk. After a battle Ebony Maw captures Strange and takes him to the ring ship. Wong stays to protect the Sanctum and Tony gives Banner the cellphone sent to him at the end of Civil War.
In a bus driven by Stan Lee, Peter Parker sees the ring and Ned creates a distraction so he can go. He suits up and gets into the battle and helps Tony fight Cull Obsidian, who retreats through a portal, losing an arm in the process. Spider-Man tries to save Strange but he ends up failing and is trapped on the outer hull of ring ship as it heads to space. Tony orders Veronica to activate the Iron Spider suit and sends it to Peter before he suffocates and activates the Iron Spider suit's parachute to force Peter off the ship but he hangs on anyway.
The Guardians of the Galaxy are following a distress becon that was from the Asgardian ship and discover the wreckage and hundreds of Asgardian bodies floating in space, before Thor slams into the cockpit window. After Mantis revives him the scene jumps to where Gamora talks about Thanos. Gamora hints of something that Thanos doesn't know but won't tell Star-Lord, and makes him promise her to kill her if it comes to the point where she might tell Thanos the big secret. Thor wants to go to Nidavellir to forge a new weapon, Stormbreaker, which can wield the Bifrost's power. Rocket and Groot go with him in a small ship while the rest go to Knowhere, to retrieve the Reality Stone from the Collector.
Tony and Peter try to figure out a way to save Strange, who is being tortured by Ebony Maw to give up the Eye of Agamotto, which Strange has placed a protection spell on. Peter mentions the end of Aliens and Tony blasts a hole in the wall of ship, which sucks Ebony out into space and kills him. Strange suggests going back to Earth but Tony says they should go to Titan and face Thanos head on.
In Scotland Wanda and a human-looking Vision discuss the future of their relationship before seeing a TV news report of the New York attack. Proxima Midnight and Corvus Glaive attack them both; Vision gets stabbed by Corvus while Wanda faces off Proxima. Corvus tries to remove the Mind Stone from Vision but gets interrupted by Captain America and Black Widow, who wounds Corvus causing him and Proxima to retreat. They later meet up with War Machine in the Avengers base, and General Ross (via hologram) orders War Machine to arrest them. Rhodey instead hangs up on Ross. Banner shows up and they all decide to go Wakanda.
Drax, Mantis, Gamora, and Star-Lord reach Knowhere. They sneak around but every instance of Star-Lord trying to lead gets subverted by the others. Thanos is already there questioning the Collector. The others get close and eventually Gamora attacks kills Thanos, only to discover Thanos was using the Reality Stone the whole time and was waiting for her to show up. She begs Peter to kill her, but when he eventually does Thanos uses the Reality Stone to nullify his guns.
Vision, Captain America, War Machine, Wanda, Falcon, Black Widow, and Banner get to Wakanda with a plan to try to seperate the Mind Stone from Vision while Shuri finds a way to save his mind.
Thanos and Gamora are in his ship. Thanos explains that his motivation is that Titan became overpopulated and his people ultimately destroyed themselves, so he took it upon himself to cull the population of any planet in danger of suffering the same fate, as he did with Gamora's home. He has found that Gamora knows where the Soul Stone is, which she discovered when she was working for him and destroyed the map. She denies it but Thanos takes her to Nebula, who is suspended in a shattered state, being literally pulled apart. He activates a memory from her that shows that indeed Gamora was lying and knew the location of the Soul Stone. He proceeds to further pull Nebula apart, torturing her until Gamora finally caves in. Afterwards Thanos has a minion repair Nebula, who then escapes.
Gamora leads Thanos to the planet and a being in the form of Red Skull tells Thanos the only way to retrieve the Soul Stone is to sacrifice the soul of someone he loves. Gamora first gloats, saying that he doesn't love anything except himself, but then realises Thanos is weeping. She attempts to kill herself, but Thanos stops her and casts her over the cliff to her death.
Thor, Groot and Rocket arrive on Nidavellir but find that the forge is inactive. They meet the dwarf who crafted the Infinity Gauntlet (played by Peter Dinklage), who did so in exchange for Thanos sparing his people. Of course, Thanos reneged on the deal and wiped out the dwarves wholesale. Thor manages to restart the forge and creates Stormbreaker, with Groot sacrificing an arm to use as a handle.
Meanwhile in Wakanda Thanos' drop ships begin bombarding the city's energy shield. Steve, T'Challa and Widow have a slight parlay with the remaining Children of Thanos before Thanos' army begin pounding the shield. It's Okoye and the Dora Milaje, M'Baku and the Jabari, T'Challa, Cap, Widow, Bucky, Rhodey, Falcon, and Banner in the Hulkbuster vs. the invading army. Chaos ensues while Shuri continues working on Vision and Wanda helps defend the city.
Meanwhile Tony, Peter and Strange crash land on Titan. The Guardians and they have a small scuffle before Star-Lord realises who they are. Tony talks about a plan to stop Thanos but Strange uses the Eye of Agamotto to see millions of outcomes and concludes there is one way to beat Thanos.
Back in Wakanda, the battle rages on. Hulkbuster Banner and Cull Obsidian face off, with Cull ultimately being vaporised in the energy shield. Proxima fights Black Widow and Okoye and is crushed and torn apart after being run over by the spiked wheels of a tank-like vehicle. The invaders slowly begin overpowering the defenders until Thor, Rocket and Groot make the save. Thor crushes all.
Thanos arrives on Titan and begins to fight Tony, Strange, Spider-Man, Nebula, and the remaining Guardians. They eventually get the Mantis to hold Thanos in a state where he can't move and are trying to remove the Gauntlet when Mantis mentions that Thanos is remorseful of something. Nebula asks where's Gamora is, and Star-Lord loses control when he realises that Gamora is dead. He accidentsally hits Mantis which, freeing Thanos, who rips apart an orbiting moon, raining meteors down on them. After besting the heroes Strange gives up the Time Stone in exchange for Tony's life, and Thanos teleports himself to Earth.
Corvus Glaive confronts Vision and Shuri and again tries to remove the Mind Stone. Vision and him fight it out and end up in the forest. Steve and Wanda help and Vision kills Corvus. Vision senses that Thanos is coming and tells Wanda that she must detach the Mind Stone destroy it. Wanda does not want to but eventually does, shattering the stone and creating a huge blast that kills Vision.
Thanos appears behind her and faces off with Steve and quickly overpowers him. Thanos proceeds to use the Time Stone to restore the Mind Stone, defeats Wanda quickly and puts the final Infinity Stone into the Gauntlet. Suddenly Thor stabs Thanos in the chest with Stormbreaker, but Thanos mockingly tells Thor he should've aimed for his head.
He snaps his fingers and disappears.
All of a sudden people begin crumbling into ash, including Bucky and T'Challa. On Titan, Mantis, Drax, Star-Lord, and Strange all crumble into ash. Spider-Man slowly disintegrates in Tony's arms, leaving Nebula and a distraught Tony alone on the planet.
In the post-credits scene Nick Fury and Maria Hill are driving in New York when all of a sudden a car crashes in front of them. When they walk to the car they find nothing in the driver's seat except ashes. Behind them a helicopter loses control and crashes into a building with a big explosion, causing mass panic. Hill begins to crumble into ash and Fury tries to activate a com. He disintegrates and the com drops on the floor, revealing the Ms Marvel insignia the com's screen.
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Post by RKTaker on Apr 24, 2018 8:57:06 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}i’ve seen conflicting reports about this list i saw the reddit post that mentions these deaths then i saw a youtube video about the death list and it didn’t mention black panther, bucky, spider-man, dr. strange, star lord, mantis, nick fury and maria hill dying so i don’t know if the person who made the video didn’t know about the deaths or the person who made the reddit post wasn’t telling the truth
and for the record the person who made the youtube video also said captain america and war machine die Or they're both full of shit. But then again: i guess we won’t know if either is telling the truth until friday but this tweet is weird to me since if those spoilers are to be believed i think we all figured that that certain thing from the comics would happen, {Spoiler}it was even hinted at in the trailer i put that in a spoiler just in case but maybe the guy was talking about something else that happens? {Spoiler}also if you read the actual reddit post the whole thing just comes off as odd to me he typed it as if you were describing the movie to a friend (which could be the way he always types idk) but berween not remembering mantis’ name and then calling her the mantis ( i guess that’s understandable) and calling cull obsidian “the big guy” (again i guess understandable) it still seems a little strange to me
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 24, 2018 8:59:01 GMT -5
IF these spoilers are true: I'm kind of disappointed at the death list. Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk and Black Widow all alive? Was expecting a death from one of the core Avengers. Apparently someone on the crew has said that only two of the original five Avengers survive A4. Again, take it with a huge pinch of salt, but it's plausible. If these apparent spoilers are true, a bit bummed neither Cap or Stark get killed... unless of course, they save their deaths for Avengers 4 (though in Cap's case, he better not die before saying a certain battlecry). I mean, one of those two dying in Infinity War as a "all hope is lost?" moment would've been devastatingly amazing. Popular theory is that when the race for the Stones takes place in Avengers 4, Cap convinces Tony to sacrifice him to acquire the Soul Stone.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 24, 2018 9:03:19 GMT -5
i guess we won’t know if either is telling the truth until friday but this tweet is weird to me since if those spoilers are to be believed i think we all figured that that certain thing from the comics would happen, {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}it was even hinted at in the trailer i put that in a spoiler just in case but maybe the guy was talking about something else that happens? {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}also if you read the actual reddit post the whole thing just comes off as odd to me he typed it as if you were describing the movie to a friend (which could be the way he always types idk) but berween not remembering mantis’ name and then calling her the mantis ( i guess that’s understandable) and calling cull obsidian “the big guy” (again i guess understandable) it still seems a little strange to me
It's definitely a little off, but ManaByte has confirmed on another board that the spoilers are legit (at least in the sense that his friend who has seen the movie that he forwarded the spoilers to confirmed them) and he's generally not known for getting worked. Unless he's working everybody else, of course.
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Post by RKTaker on Apr 24, 2018 9:22:38 GMT -5
i guess we won’t know if either is telling the truth until friday but this tweet is weird to me since if those spoilers are to be believed i think we all figured that that certain thing from the comics would happen, {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}it was even hinted at in the trailer i put that in a spoiler just in case but maybe the guy was talking about something else that happens? {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}also if you read the actual reddit post the whole thing just comes off as odd to me he typed it as if you were describing the movie to a friend (which could be the way he always types idk) but berween not remembering mantis’ name and then calling her the mantis ( i guess that’s understandable) and calling cull obsidian “the big guy” (again i guess understandable) it still seems a little strange to me
It's definitely a little off, but ManaByte has confirmed on another board that the spoilers are legit (at least in the sense that his friend who has seen the movie that he forwarded the spoilers to confirmed them) and he's generally not known for getting worked. Unless he's working everybody else, of course. i guess we're just gonna have to wait until thursday/friday to find out
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Post by Duke Cameron on Apr 24, 2018 19:10:45 GMT -5
So...is Valkyrie killed on the Asgardian ship? Didn’t see her mentioned anywhere else.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 24, 2018 19:43:10 GMT -5
I'm really annoyed by the lack of Hawkeye. They can claim to have a cool idea for him in the next one all they want, but the bottom line is that he's the only original Avenger left out of this big movie. They wouldn't dare leave out Black Widow or Hulk like this.
I keep seeing people say that he's retired because of his family, but this is fiction. It's not as if those are parameters they were forced to work within. They let Joss Whedon f*** the character over with that secret family nonsense and they're doing nothing to correct it.
It may seem trivial to some, but this is two major comic movie franchises now where my favorite member of the team is completely marginalized. First Cyclops in the X-Men series and now Hawkeye here.
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Post by Shai on Apr 24, 2018 22:20:02 GMT -5
F*** That. Goddamn it. F*** That shit so hard. My Prince deserved better.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Apr 24, 2018 22:24:28 GMT -5
If the stinger is true, it would've been nice if Coulson was the one who makes the distress call to Carol Danvers, though given the current goings-on of Agents of SHIELD season 5, that (along with the usual TV/movie divide) would've been hard to do.
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Post by Shai on Apr 24, 2018 22:28:01 GMT -5
On the other hand HOLY SHIT FINGER SNAP OF DOOM!!! THEY HAD THE BALLS!
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