HHH beating Brock

[mcstoklasa]

I know near everyone hates Lesnar now, but regardless we are in a position with an unbeatable overlord as champion who has obliterated everyone, but eventually he is going to get beat and put out to pasture. I wish it would be Braun (in a hell in a cell match or something) but it’ll probably be Roman. Regardless, that is the situation we have.

Flash back to 2012, we have legit MMA champion and former dominant monster heel return to WWE and immediately lose to Cena. The loss never bothered me though as the match was so vicious and brutal and unique that Brock looked like a monster with money written all over him.

Then this (at that time even more so) part timer has three, count em, matches with Triple H. I was hoping to see Brock demolish the ageing Hunter like he did Cena but instead it was a back and forth plodfesr with Lesnar even reverting to low blows. Lesnar won just about.

Then the needless rematch. Triple H beats Brock. The forty five year old COO goes over the (still very young at 34) former UFC champ at Mania. This leaves one of WWE’s biggest returning stars 1-2 in his win loss record. Sure this could be blamed on the fact he’s a part timer not having a load of matches to pad a record , but still. The match and HHH’s victory didn’t need to happen.

Then the cage match. Very entertaining and funny to watch Brock squeal “paul my knee! Dammit!” but what the hell were they doing with Brock. He got his ass kicked and cheated to win, though admittedly showed resiliency.

It just seemed so ass-backwards to book Brock that way. In fact one could argue that the Streak-Breaking and the Cena-Conquering were part of a full Lesnar reset. Indeed, around the time of Brock winning at Summerslam 2014, Heyman said in a promo (and I’m paraphrasing) “Brock is not undefeated since his return and that is because he was still suffering the lingering effects of diverticulitis. However now he is 100%.” Cue- Lesnar becoming unbeatable (some here might say unbearable) since 2014.

I just think what could have been. I know in the long run he has not been affected by the needless losses at the start of his comeback but he really could have been used better his first year. Do you think giving him the streak and cenas ass was Vince hitting the reset button?

[TWERKIN' MAGGLE]

Yeah, but I like Triple H.

So whatever...

[Squirrel Master]

It is absurd that H has a victory over Brock. That is all.

[4real]

It was like when HHH beat CM Punk. He had no business beating Lesnar at all.

[psychokiller]

I actually liked their Mania 29 Match but it was such a pointless match & the wrong guy went over. The only reason the match happened was so HHH can get a win over Brock. Brock did win the feud by winning the following PPV but Mania is the match that people will remember. It’s nothing new though since HHH always has to get a win over everyone with the exception of never having a win over Batista.

[Mozenrath]

Brock beat Triple H twice, decisively, and Triple H beat him once on a fluke.

I can't even pretend to think that's an injustice.

[Gerard Gerard]

I'm so glad you brought this up because I actually travel the world looking for new ways in which to completely shit on Brock/HHH at WM29. I wake up five minutes earlier in the morning just so I can squeeze in the necessary amount of time to hate everything Brock/HHH. It was the great "what if?" left over from Brock's first run in that Lesnar'd never had a full singles run with HHH, but at the conclusion of their 2012/2013 exchange, it became the great "why bother?"

Bonus negative points for trotting out HBK because the HHH face character draws exactly zero sympathy ("you tapped out" as HHH cried, anyone?). Double bonus negative points for Hunter saying Brock's monster aura was on the line at Extreme Rules and then Brock is forced into working the match as a chickenshit heel.

Hell, Triple (H) bonus negative points for Hunter working a concussion angle the following night on RAW where the character insisted on fighting despite being concussed. Pretty skeezy given the current age, but made uber skeezy by the fact World champion Dolph Ziggler was on the shelf with an actual concussion at the time.

I was grateful Heyman retconned the first two years of Brock's return as Brock still recovering from diverticulitis.

[The Trashman]

It made no sense and seems to have been done only to inflate Hunter's ego.

[Cronant]

It really didn't matter, and I suspect is only being brought up because its HHH. He had multiple match series with the big guns like Cena/HHH/Undertaker and dropped at least one loss to them before ultimately having a better record against them.

[Yacht Persona]

I think it's a contractual obligation that HHH be portrayed as an equal with the strongest characters.

[spagett]

Apr 24, 2018 15:44:24 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Brock beat Triple H twice, decisively, and Triple H beat him once on a fluke.

I can't even pretend to think that's an injustice.

One of them was Heyman interfering to save Brock right when Triple H was in control. The Cage match.

That wasn't decisive at all.

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Apr 24, 2018 16:03:58 GMT -5 Cronant said:

It really didn't matter, and I suspect is only being brought up because its HHH. He had multiple match series with the big guns like Cena/HHH/Undertaker and dropped at least one loss to them before ultimately having a better record against them.

Cena beat Brock but that match was such a unique horror show of a match, and the win was flukey enough that I can't beat them up too much for it. Undertaker beat Brock but he had to play uncharacteristically dirty to even have a shot. I like Triple H more than most people I think, I enjoyed the reign of terror, he disappoints me from time to time, this feud was fine if it were Triple H vs first run Brock Lesnar where he was a chickenshit all the time. In a bubble I think the feud and matches were okay, but they were all Triple H's matches. I think Cena/Brock set a really crazy precedent for what you should expect from a Brock Lesnar match and guys shouldn't have been working with him if they weren't willing to have that kind of match in my opinion, you look at the stuff he did with Cena and then you look at the Hunter matches and it looked like Brock was holding back, he wasn't nearly as aggressive and it felt like a waste of what he was capable of.

[mcstoklasa]

Apr 24, 2018 15:44:24 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Brock beat Triple H twice, decisively, and Triple H beat him once on a fluke.

I can't even pretend to think that's an injustice.

Not really decisively

[mcstoklasa]

Sometimes one guy who isn’t the best guy always gets the better of one guy.

Norton wasn’t the best fighter of the seventies but he always gave Ali hell, beat him once and arguably won both rematches.

That’s my kayfabe thinking for why triple h of all guys was Brock’s toughest opponent

[chazraps]

Apr 24, 2018 16:03:58 GMT -5 Cronant said:

It really didn't matter, and I suspect is only being brought up because its HHH. He had multiple match series with the big guns like Cena/HHH/Undertaker and dropped at least one loss to them before ultimately having a better record against them.

No, it's being brought up because the Mania 29 match was really, really bad and went mercilessly long.

[EyeofTyr]

I like Triple H, hell, out of the two I like him more.

But it was a complete and utter joke that he won against Brock. Made all the more damning that Brock had just ate a loss to Cena prior to the program too and according to management then & now in hindsight they fully believed it was Triple H that "rehabbed" Brock from that Cena loss and got him ready for the Undertaker match.

Which the levels of ridiculousness in that line of thought is...staggering.

[fw91]

i was there live at mania 29. Nobody gave a shit about this match.

[Citizen Snips Has Left]

To look on the positive side, it did lead to that tremendous moment where Triple H tried to milk the crowd for sympathy and got a "You Tapped Out!" chant instead.

[mcstoklasa]

Apr 24, 2018 17:40:01 GMT -5 EyeofTyr said:

I like Triple H, hell, out of the two I like him more.

But it was a complete and utter joke that he won against Brock. Made all the more damning that Brock had just ate a loss to Cena prior to the program too and according to management then & now in hindsight they fully believed it was Triple H that "rehabbed" Brock from that Cena loss and got him ready for the Undertaker match.

Which the levels of ridiculousness in that line of thought is...staggering.

Where did you hear that?

[Kevin Hamilton]

That whole feud was stupid. All it did was stall Brock being the mega-boss thing.

EXCEPT for the fans shitting all over H's 'valiant hero in defeat moment'. Even as a fan of the guy, that was hilarious.