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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 15, 2018 21:51:17 GMT -5
OP should clarify they mean Hulk so no one thinks Horace said anything stupid People listen to anything Horace has to say?
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on May 15, 2018 21:54:16 GMT -5
OP should clarify they mean Hulk so no one thinks Horace said anything stupid Horace Hogan showed why he should never return by being Horace f***ing Hogan
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Post by ayumidah on May 15, 2018 21:57:32 GMT -5
I know a couple of people who argue he should be brought back and I'm just like "Nah we're good" every time I hear it.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 22:01:22 GMT -5
OP should clarify they mean Hulk so no one thinks Horace said anything stupid People listen to anything Horace has to say? Stone Cold Albert is not to be trusted.
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Post by BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED! on May 15, 2018 22:07:04 GMT -5
Man, if Hogan just gave a nice, heartfelt apology he could comeback and probably be pretty much welcomed back. That has troubled me. Call me naive or living in a bubble, but I don’t think Hogan is a card carrying racist. I think he said some dumbass, gross shit in an extremely weird situation, but I feel him on the “judge me on my actions” sentiment. But, damnit man, just apologize. Give a real, heartfelt apology. He has had his guard up with every half hearted apology to this day, like he just doesn’t get it. He needs to be vulnerable and own up to this, and he refuses. The public wants to forgive him, by and large. He has been his own worst enemy on this. I feel like even if Hogan did come out and give a heartfelt apology, people still wouldn't forgive him. I really couldn't care less if he ever gives a sincere apology or not. He said what he said (in what he thought was a private conversation) and no words out of Hogan's mouth is going to change it. People say dumb shit all the time, especially when they think it's in private. I'm just ready to move on.
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Post by Cyno on May 15, 2018 22:14:04 GMT -5
Well, yes, when you're a pathological liar like Hogan is, it's hard to take anything his says as sincere.
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Post by mattperiolat on May 15, 2018 22:19:17 GMT -5
I’m done.
I wanted him to come back purely for nostalgia, to get Hogan past stuff on the network and remember good times. But I realize now it makes me no better than supporters of other racists who can forgive that just to bask in fleeting glory.
It hurts, because I was a Hulkamaniac. He got me into this business, made me a lifelong fan between him, Savage and Warrior. I’m grateful now for Taker taking me from there to here. Because, to quote Tony, Hulk Hogan, you can go to hell. Straight to hell.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 15, 2018 22:33:23 GMT -5
I have fully forgiven Hulk Hogan, and I am eager for him to return to his home in the WWE. I am a person of color and I understand white people often use the word just like we do. I am eager for Hulkamania to run wild again! They use the word and talk about how they don't want their child to associate with them unless they're rich and famous? Or do you not know the context in which he said the word?
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 15, 2018 22:41:43 GMT -5
The thing that is obvious to me, is that I doubt hogan ever heard or read what he actually said on the tape since its leaked. I would assume he's heard the tape since through the Gawker trials, at least.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 16, 2018 5:03:00 GMT -5
We regret you feel that way, Terry.
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Post by Sephiroth on May 16, 2018 5:19:45 GMT -5
Seriously people, the reason Hogan has not been brought back is not because he blurted out something racially insensitive-that is only a minor part of it. The real bottom line is he just plain has nothing of much value to offer them at this point. The most they would get out of it would be using his image on their video games and having him do content for the Network-but they already have more than enough legend league wrestlers to do all of that.
Though there is probably also the fact that WWE are squeamish about bringing him back only to have young fans of today google his name and found out he sued a porn company after being filmed sleeping with another man’s wife, and that he tried to argue about the size of his hoo ha during the trial. Chyna syndrome to the nines.
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Post by Totorob101 on May 16, 2018 6:14:20 GMT -5
At this point its best that he should never be mentioned or acknowledged again. The man has destroyed his reputation, shown very little remorse to all hes done and has nothing left to offer. The problem now is, as morbid as this sounds, when Hogan passes. Should he be given any kind of tribute on screen? It might upset a lot of people to celebrate his lfe due to his actions, or just a graphic, or nothing at all? Its a difficult situation to be in.
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Post by joeiscool on May 16, 2018 6:23:59 GMT -5
I might be wrong, but I find it interesting the people really upset by this seem to be for the most part white fans.
I as a black person that considers themselves pretty aware, woke, whatever you wanna call it can not muster enough energy to care about it.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 16, 2018 6:59:51 GMT -5
I might be wrong, but I find it interesting the people really upset by this seem to be for the most part white fans. I as a black person that considers themselves pretty aware, woke, whatever you wanna call it can not muster enough energy to care about it. Just spitballing here, but I think that beyond wanting people not to be racist in general, there's an element of us not wanting to be represented like that which can make us a bit angrier. The psychology would be fascinating to study. Just an example from my own life. In Britain, like everywhere, we have racists and xenophobes wrapping themselves in the flag like they own it. I'll wrap myself in that flag just as much, because there's no way I'm letting people like that take ownership of my heritage. In a similar way, it's always some white guy doing that, and a lot of people have that extra edge of "dude, no, we're not like that, we're trying to be better than that and you're dragging us all down". Just an armchair analysis.
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Post by TGM on May 16, 2018 7:29:48 GMT -5
I might be wrong, but I find it interesting the people really upset by this seem to be for the most part white fans. I as a black person that considers themselves pretty aware, woke, whatever you wanna call it can not muster enough energy to care about it. Why wouldn't white fans be disgusted with Hogan's racist slurs? He was a childhood hero to many kids, regardless of colour. To find out he's a complete piece of shit must be heartbreaking, whether black, white or any other skin colour.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on May 16, 2018 7:59:32 GMT -5
I'm amazed one man can be that clueless.
Sometimes he makes Vince look like the most self-aware dude on the planet.
I reiterate what I say every time I see a Hogan thread. I hated you at age 7. I hate you now. f*** off.
And yes, I'm a white guy. Doesn't alter/change my perception on him one bit. I can't imagine what it'd be like to be an African American Hulkamaniac. Shit must hurt. And it's embarrassing as a fan and as someone who empathizes. Especially when he shows just how much lack of awareness of the situation he shows.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 16, 2018 8:01:39 GMT -5
Ah yes, those misspoken words.
I know I accidentally drop like seven n-bombs in a row when I can't think of how to phrase what I'm saying.
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Post by nisidhe on May 16, 2018 8:10:23 GMT -5
We have genuinely better heroes in pro wrestling now - men and women who do a shit-ton of charity work compared to the PR stuff the 80s old guard used to do, really, and who are much more careful about protecting their image using media of all types. There's also the element of experiencing the benefits of inclusion and diversity throughout society. The locker room these days is "woke af."
Hogan, a 65-year-old Caucasian male, cannot relate to anyone in a WWE locker room today. The same kids in that locker room who'd loved him back in the day grew up, found other heroes during their journeys, and lived long enough to see others among their heroes die or become diminished by time or by revelations of their flaws. Hogan's high crimes and misdemeanors are by no means the worst on any list, but unlike those perps he's still around - trying to justify them and wondering why nobody wants to see him anymore. As long as we pay attention to him, we will continue to view him as poisonous. It may be best simply to ignore the dog-whistle that he and the media outlets covering his antics sound each time he opens his mouth on the record.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 16, 2018 8:39:09 GMT -5
Man, if Hogan just gave a nice, heartfelt apology he could comeback and probably be pretty much welcomed back. That has troubled me. Call me naive or living in a bubble, but I don’t think Hogan is a card carrying racist. I think he said some dumbass, gross shit in an extremely weird situation, but I feel him on the “judge me on my actions” sentiment. But, damnit man, just apologize. Give a real, heartfelt apology. He has had his guard up with every half hearted apology to this day, like he just doesn’t get it. He needs to be vulnerable and own up to this, and he refuses. The public wants to forgive him, by and large. He has been his own worst enemy on this. I feel like even if Hogan did come out and give a heartfelt apology, people still wouldn't forgive him. I really couldn't care less if he ever gives a sincere apology or not. He said what he said (in what he thought was a private conversation) and no words out of Hogan's mouth is going to change it. People say dumb shit all the time, especially when they think it's in private. I'm just ready to move on. When you spend actual years saying the wrong thing about it every time and not actually giving a heartfelt apology, no, it does become a bit difficult to forgive someone for turning around and finally saying spomething. But also nah f*** that when I say dumb shit to my girlfriend it's not avowed racist bullshit, and my mouth is a dumb shit factory. You don't open up to someone in an intimate setting and have random hate fall out of you if you're not on some level kinda hateful.
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Post by theunknownbotch on May 16, 2018 8:45:49 GMT -5
Seriously the people most upset about this are white people in my personal experience. My friends and I loved Hulkamania and know exactly what he said and the circumstances surrounding it. We have forgiven him and it's really not a big deal. In our experience white people are far more bothered by the term than we are! It's really odd to us!
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