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Post by Jiren on May 20, 2018 14:20:45 GMT -5
The only person who cared about the curtain call was Jim Cornette, Hell just mention it to him today and he has a conniption fit. He did on Twitter today. Christ
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 20, 2018 14:23:09 GMT -5
The curtain call received national attention. Which nation was this? Either Wakanda or BetterthanUtopia... Well back to the match, I believe Rock was offered a program but he told them to f*** off. Everybody from Bret Hart to Bruce Prichard admitted that Shawn tried to derail Rock early on because Michaels perceived him as a threat to Triple H's spot. Apparently their heat extends beyond the wwe. Rock's grandmother owned a territory and she booked Jannetty and Michaels, well they were such a pain in the ass that a teenage Rock legit tried to fight them. Rock pulled the classic "I don't need this match you need to work with me, I don't" CM Punk would've been proud.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 20, 2018 14:48:59 GMT -5
Kayfabe was huge back in the 80s and kliq breaking it at MSG is looked at as one of the most infamous moments. I think you're over estimating how big kayfabe really was. Watch the Slammy awards from the year before the curtain call they were breaking kayfabe all night. Even in the 80s I doubt anybody other than children and "slower" adults really believed wrestling was real even if the wrestlers and company painstakingly went out of their way to try and maintain kayfabe. And if you want to point to something that actually got national attention that broke kayfabe then I'd say Jim Duggan and The Iron Sheik getting arrested traveling together was a far bigger deal A promoter in New York admitted that wrestling was fixed back in 1920. It made national news at the time. and even as a Kid I knew that it was just a show...
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Post by Mid-Carder on May 20, 2018 14:52:16 GMT -5
Rock pulled the classic " I don't need this match you need to work with me, I don't" CM Punk would've been proud. Although I prefer Shawn to Rock, this is definitely true. Shawn would benefit from working with one of the biggest draws in wrestling history. Rock didn't need any kind of boost from Shawn.
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Post by chazraps on May 20, 2018 15:39:56 GMT -5
Thread is a troll thread.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on May 20, 2018 16:14:15 GMT -5
Honestly it's not a match I remotely see the appeal of. Really Michaels isn't anywhere at all near Rock's level in terms of star presence and Rock isn't anywhere close to him in terms of in ring ability so the whole thing would just feel like both of them were slumming it. I disagree. I think one thing that people don't mention about the Rock is that he was an incredibly versatile wrestler, although he wasn't exceptional in any one thing like other guys are. He did well against technical wrestlers like Benoit and Angle, could work with more agile guys like Jericho, was willing to feed for smaller wrestlers like the Hurricane, could produce entertaining brawls with Austin and Triple H, and bump his ass off for monster wrestlers like Lesnar, Goldberg, and the Big Show. Barring Undertaker/Kane-type guys, I think the Rock could work well enough with most guys. Certainly Austin/Hogan is the bigger match that never happened than HBK/Rock, but I can't imagine any scenario in which Austin/Hogan would be good. Rock/Hogan worked because the Rock was willing to heel it up in front of the Canadian crowd. HBK/Hogan worked, well, YMMV, I like the match despite the comedy selling, because Michaels was willing to bump for Hogan, even if the bumps are exaggerated in the attempt to make Hogan look bad. Had the match happened, I suspect that scenario neither guy would be willing to go out of his way for the other in order to make a good match.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 20, 2018 16:31:15 GMT -5
I think you're over estimating how big kayfabe really was. Watch the Slammy awards from the year before the curtain call they were breaking kayfabe all night. Even in the 80s I doubt anybody other than children and "slower" adults really believed wrestling was real even if the wrestlers and company painstakingly went out of their way to try and maintain kayfabe. And if you want to point to something that actually got national attention that broke kayfabe then I'd say Jim Duggan and The Iron Sheik getting arrested traveling together was a far bigger deal A promoter in New York admitted that wrestling was fixed back in 1920. It made national news at the time. and even as a Kid I knew that it was just a show... That was Jack Pfefer in '33 or '34 for anyone interested to read up on it. Even then fans had long figured it was fixed anyway. Hell, it's such a part of public knowldge and pop culture that Woody Woodpecker had a cartoon in 19f***ing53 called "Wrestling Wrecks" that involves Woody messing with a wrestlers script. Everyone has known. Always. Fans just played along. Kayfabe just "now" being dead in the last 30 years is laughable and flat out wrong.
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Post by hbkwrestlinggod on May 20, 2018 17:40:14 GMT -5
A promoter in New York admitted that wrestling was fixed back in 1920. It made national news at the time. and even as a Kid I knew that it was just a show... That was Jack Pfefer in '33 or '34 for anyone interested to read up on it. Even then fans had long figured it was fixed anyway. Hell, it's such a part of public knowldge and pop culture that Woody Woodpecker had a cartoon in 19f***ing53 called "Wrestling Wrecks" that involves Woody messing with a wrestlers script. Everyone has known. Always. Fans just played along. Kayfabe just "now" being dead in the last 30 years is laughable and flat out wrong. Well that was just one of my many points on Shawn Michaels star power. Wrestling was discovered years ago that it was fake but 80s kept kayfabe pretty strong and that's what made the curtain call such an infamous moment. I think Shawn Michaels was a much bigger star than people think, you don't have to be a movie star to be a huge star. When I wear my Shawn Michaels tshirts, even casual fans know who he is. DX is the the most popular WWE stable of all time and it was created entirely based on Shawn Michaels character and nothing else.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 20, 2018 17:41:35 GMT -5
HBK/Rock definitely wouldn't outdraw Hogan/Austin. HBK never drew anywhere near the same as any of the other three.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 20, 2018 17:43:51 GMT -5
It's weird.
I have a hard time imagining Hogan/Austin ever happening.
I have a hard time imagining how it would even go.
Even without all the Gawker stuff, I just can't see it.
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Post by chronocross on May 20, 2018 17:50:50 GMT -5
The Sheik/Duggan incident from 87 was a far bigger deal in mainstream and made headlines, the Curtain Call wasn’t even a blip on the radar. As for Shawn, he’s a great in-ring performer but he was never in the upper echelon of stars like Hogan/Austin/Rock.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 20, 2018 17:56:15 GMT -5
That was Jack Pfefer in '33 or '34 for anyone interested to read up on it. Even then fans had long figured it was fixed anyway. Hell, it's such a part of public knowldge and pop culture that Woody Woodpecker had a cartoon in 19f***ing53 called "Wrestling Wrecks" that involves Woody messing with a wrestlers script. Everyone has known. Always. Fans just played along. Kayfabe just "now" being dead in the last 30 years is laughable and flat out wrong. Well that was just one of my many points on Shawn Michaels star power. Wrestling was discovered years ago that it was fake but 80s kept kayfabe pretty strong and that's what made the curtain call such an infamous moment. I think Shawn Michaels was a much bigger star than people think, you don't have to be a movie star to be a huge star. When I wear my Shawn Michaels tshirts, even casual fans know who he is. DX is the the most popular WWE stable of all time and it was created entirely based on Shawn Michaels character and nothing else. When you wear HBK shirts, other wrestling fans know who HBK is?!
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 20, 2018 18:32:34 GMT -5
DX is the the most popular WWE stable of all time and it was created entirely based on Shawn Michaels character and nothing else. ...And a whole shitload of lifting ideas from the New World Order.
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Post by benstudd on May 20, 2018 19:15:01 GMT -5
It's weird. I have a hard time imagining Hogan/Austin ever happening. I have a hard time imagining how it would even go. Even without all the Gawker stuff, I just can't see it. And even if it happened, it wouldn't be too pretty. Just at the look of the styles. Hogan's matches in the late 90s consisted of poke in the eyes and wrestling pretty slow. While Austin was bang bang thank you mam smash mouth style. Hogan would have died of exaustion after 30 seconds.
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Post by hbkwrestlinggod on May 20, 2018 19:30:50 GMT -5
Well that was just one of my many points on Shawn Michaels star power. Wrestling was discovered years ago that it was fake but 80s kept kayfabe pretty strong and that's what made the curtain call such an infamous moment. I think Shawn Michaels was a much bigger star than people think, you don't have to be a movie star to be a huge star. When I wear my Shawn Michaels tshirts, even casual fans know who he is. DX is the the most popular WWE stable of all time and it was created entirely based on Shawn Michaels character and nothing else. When you wear HBK shirts, other wrestling fans know who HBK is?! I wouldn't even say casual fans but the average eye knows who he is. I ask them if there fans and they say not really just know who shawn Michaels is.
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Post by hbkwrestlinggod on May 20, 2018 19:32:47 GMT -5
DX is the the most popular WWE stable of all time and it was created entirely based on Shawn Michaels character and nothing else. ...And a whole shitload of lifting ideas from the New World Order. That doesn't take away the popularity from DX. Besides, the nwo angle does not work without the outsiders and Shawn Michaels was the one who put both guys on the map, so Michaels had influence on NWO as well.
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Post by thecrusherwi on May 20, 2018 20:02:46 GMT -5
Austin-Hogan is both the biggest missed possible match, and also something I'm very confident in feeling would've absolutely sucked. Austin would just be no fun in there. And without someone to sell his back rakes and eye pokes and shoves and Hulk Up, Hogan's not going to be able to make up the difference. There really is no time when it realistically could've happened where it would've been good. Wrestlemania X8 would have had a cranky, broken down Steve Austin and a Hulk Hogan who was a good 10 years (at least) past his in ring prime. Any other meeting between the two takes a ridiculous amount of rewriting of history. Now if you could make a time machine that could have heel 1996-97 Austin vs 1984-85 Hulk Hogan, now we're talking. Austin was otherworldly at that time and Hogan was at the top of his game. I've recently been watching 1984-85 WWF stuff and it's amazing how fast and crisp Hogan is as a worker here. It's no wonder he was so popular.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 21, 2018 4:39:36 GMT -5
Given his resume and general belief HBK is one of the best, if not the best ever, this is gonna sound odd, but I think you’re grossly exaggerating HBK’s importance in wrestling.
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Post by segaz on May 21, 2018 5:06:49 GMT -5
I'm unsure how the promos would go. Who would be heel? Babyface vs babyface?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 21, 2018 6:06:33 GMT -5
The Curtain Call was big in the same way DX goin to Nitro was big, which is to say not really at all despite how they spin things now.
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