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Post by pegasuswarrior on May 23, 2018 22:37:13 GMT -5
Can someone show me a link to anything at any time where Bobby Lashley was entertaining? Not a snark. I really want to see it.
Last time I saw him during his “he’s pretty fantastic” phase, he made an appearance at Wrestlemania weekend the year before last at Supershow, and everything was lights out amazing until he came in and deflated everything. Defended the TNA title and had to be carried through anything resembling a high note. Everyone on that card overshadowed him and exposed his inadequacies.
I want to see footage that shows me what all the fuss is about. I’ve missed it.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 22:42:28 GMT -5
Nah.
They just suck at getting stars they want to get over, over.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 23, 2018 23:44:25 GMT -5
Nah. They just suck at getting stars they want to get over, over. Exactly. They just suck at the fundamentals. I'm not actually sure when things got this bad, but it's been quite some time. The wrestling talent is certainly there in spades. They've also got more talent working backstage than they have at many other points in their history. For whatever reason though, a ton of what gets put on TV just sucks. If their goal is to continually grow their audience, they're a complete failure. Sit anyone new to WWE down in front of an episode of RAW, and they'll tell you it's some of the dumbest, least compelling shit they've ever seen. Vince has to shoulder a good portion of the blame, but keep in mind he's just often going with the ideas he likes. That still implicates the writing team for coming up with said ideas in the first place. I'm assuming that Vince tells the writers what he generally wants with top angles/wrestlers, then they take that direction and produce the garbage we see every week. I just can't see Vince ending a writers meeting with "...and make sure the dialogue is terrible. And also we need to make sure that the babyface looks stupid.". That I believe is what's happening with Lashley. Vince has his eyes on his pet projects, Bobby isn't one of them, so he's at the mercy of some of the worst writers to ever work in television.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on May 24, 2018 2:42:39 GMT -5
Nah. They just suck at getting stars they want to get over, over. Exactly. They just suck at the fundamentals. I'm not actually sure when things got this bad, but it's been quite some time. The wrestling talent is certainly there in spades. They've also got more talent working backstage than they have at many other points in their history. For whatever reason though, a ton of what gets put on TV just sucks. If their goal is to continually grow their audience, they're a complete failure. Sit anyone new to WWE down in front of an episode of RAW, and they'll tell you it's some of the dumbest, least compelling shit they've ever seen. Vince has to shoulder a good portion of the blame, but keep in mind he's just often going with the ideas he likes. That still implicates the writing team for coming up with said ideas in the first place. I'm assuming that Vince tells the writers what he generally wants with top angles/wrestlers, then they take that direction and produce the garbage we see every week. I just can't see Vince ending a writers meeting with "...and make sure the dialogue is terrible. And also we need to make sure that the babyface looks stupid.". That I believe is what's happening with Lashley. Vince has his eyes on his pet projects, Bobby isn't one of them, so he's at the mercy of some of the worst writers to ever work in television. It's one thing when a wrestler has to turn sugar into shit every now and then, but what we are seeing is that is what's expected all of the time now. If you have followed or at least some knowledge of Lashley's career, how can you look at him and think that what they have done with him so far is absolutely the way to go. And then add Sami to the mix so they can waste two talented people with one stupid angle.
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Post by freeze Austin on May 24, 2018 2:50:47 GMT -5
They don't know what they want.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 7:13:58 GMT -5
I don't know what they want. But I think people forget that Lashley was the original Roman Reigns. A semi-talented guy with the bland personality, that they tried to convince the fans was the greatest thing ever. Yeah, he improved in TNA. But he isn't exactly CM Punk returning to the WWE.
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Post by Dub H on May 24, 2018 9:14:07 GMT -5
I don't know what they want. But I think people forget that Lashley was the original Roman Reigns. A semi-talented guy with the bland personality, that they tried to convince the fans was the greatest thing ever. Yeah, he improved in TNA. But he isn't exactly CM Punk returning to the WWE. Didn't Watch TNA,not watching current RAW. But from what i get the issue is that RAW is using him the opposite way that got him over in TNA.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 24, 2018 9:16:18 GMT -5
I don't think they WANT him to fail, but I also think they wouldn't be especially bothered if he did.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 24, 2018 9:59:36 GMT -5
Y'all know the thread title is rhetorical right? Haha.
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Post by clifford on May 24, 2018 10:44:55 GMT -5
I forget at least three times a week that he's back in the WWE.
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Post by eJm on May 24, 2018 10:54:21 GMT -5
It feels like it's one of their weird "Get someone in and wipe their old slate clean before putting their new "stamp" on them" thing they seem to do with every NXT call up.
Which doesn't make sense because you'd think if you'd want someone called up or brought in, you'd have some kind of idea of what you want to do with them as the person you brought in. Which, even with where he was in NXT, makes the No Way Jose call up as an example baffling.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 24, 2018 10:57:40 GMT -5
It feels like it's one of their weird "Get someone in and wipe their old slate clean before putting their new "stamp" on them" thing they seem to do with every NXT call up. Which doesn't make sense because you'd think if you'd want someone called up or brought in, you'd have some kind of idea of what you want to do with them as the person you brought in. Which, even with where he was in NXT, makes the No Way Jose call up as an example baffling. More than having some kind of plan, you'd think the debut/return/call-up would be where you want to actually make an impact. I never got the idea of a clean slate thing. The debut should be the clean slate. If you want a character change, give it to them on arrival, work with that, establish them out of the gate to hook people in instead of letting them run through boring, menial garbage that will make a bunch of fans tune them out before they have the chance to do anything. There was a time when someone showing up was a big deal they immediately did something with, and that was the time when the product made the money instead of their appeal to desperate TV networks.
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Post by eJm on May 24, 2018 11:01:00 GMT -5
It feels like it's one of their weird "Get someone in and wipe their old slate clean before putting their new "stamp" on them" thing they seem to do with every NXT call up. Which doesn't make sense because you'd think if you'd want someone called up or brought in, you'd have some kind of idea of what you want to do with them as the person you brought in. Which, even with where he was in NXT, makes the No Way Jose call up as an example baffling. More than having some kind of plan, you'd think the debut/return/call-up would be where you want to actually make an impact. I never got the idea of a clean slate thing. The debut should be the clean slate. If you want a character change, give it to them on arrival, work with that, establish them out of the gate to hook people in instead of letting them run through boring, menial garbage that will make a bunch of fans tune them out before they have the chance to do anything. There was a time when someone showing up was a big deal they immediately did something with, and that was the time when the product made the money instead of their appeal to desperate TV networks. Like, say what you will about the InVasion storyline but Lance Storm debuted by superkicking a dude, Booker T beat up the WWE champion and Mike Awesome won the Hardcore title on their opening nights in the WWF. For everything that happened afterwards, that was at least stuff to get people talking.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 24, 2018 11:14:52 GMT -5
They brought him in without a plan, and don't have anything interesting for him to do. People really should expect this, of pretty much any new star, either coming up from NXT or from outside the WWE. They don't plan anything, other than a couple of main event storylines. A company that's worth more than it ever has been, and their writing staff couldn't get jobs on The Learning Channel, never mind NBC or Fox, if they weren't working for the WWE. How cute. You still think it's called The Learning Channel. Or that you can learn something from it. (Who Do You Think You Are? is pretty interesting, though, especially to a librarian) Anyway, there's the "must be part of the plan" WWE style. But....I also wonder if they are taking aggression out on Lashley over him ditching them the first time. And/or applying the "eat crap and like it" test to him to see if his loyalty improved any. I'm not sure about the "not a WWE creation/a TNA creation" prejudice is as strong as it once was, Styles, Joe, and others are doing OK on the main roster. Then again, Lashley was used well for Impact standards even when he left. The others were kind of screwed near the end, and Vince likes to prove the other companies wrong by pushing them himself. It may also be a Tazz Syndrome where they just have people better than him at certain aspects (like Braun).
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on May 24, 2018 11:49:23 GMT -5
between Tensai and now Lashley we need Chris Masters and Tomko back for a stable of guys who got better everywhere else and spectacularly went to total shit when they returned
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Post by Jake, The Jake, Jake on May 24, 2018 13:02:27 GMT -5
I mean in fairness, Lashley shaved Vince’s head and embarrassed him on an international scale. You think he’s just gonna let that go?
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Post by 111111 on May 24, 2018 13:05:20 GMT -5
If you were WWE why would you put any effort in to coming up with anything when you have guys like Rollins, Valor and Styles who you can do nothing that creative with and people still cheer because "omgz workrate"?
I think they're so used to modern audiences who'll get behind someone for being a "good" wrestler that when they have someone who doesn't knkwoads of fancy moves and hasn't wrestled on the indies and in Japan they have no idea what the f*** to do with them.
It's like they remember what the second letter in WWE stands for but not the third one. Plus they're probably too scared of rocking the boat in case they accidentally offend anyone and piss off sponsors.
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Post by Yacht Persona on May 24, 2018 20:37:39 GMT -5
I don't know, but it's pretty demoralizing since I was actually rather excited about how Lasher would fit in, and I thought just MAYBE this whole sister angle would show him to be some sort of vicious psycho who would then start brutalizing his competition. Boy, was I wrong.
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Post by timelimitdraw on May 25, 2018 4:29:19 GMT -5
I think Lashley assumed that they probably wouldn't quite know what to do with him. That's why he was happy to stay in Impact until they realized they're an indy with TV and cut their payroll accordingly. It sucks, but at least he's getting paid.
At the end of the day, one guy has the final call on all things business and creative. The same septuagenarian who scripts Roman Reigns with goofy lines to say instead of letting him be a version of himself. (Not a knock on Roman, either. Austin and Rock would never have been able to get over in this highly scripted of an environment.)
And considering Vince is set to make a billion dollars domestically for what used to be considered the B show, I doubt he's really worried about improving the creative direction.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on May 25, 2018 19:47:37 GMT -5
Lashley is the triple combination of things Vince can't get over:
1. A babyface 2. An African-American Single's Star. 3. Someone who got over in TNA.
He's lucky that he's not suspended 90 days for breathing on Vince.
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