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Post by Rolent Tex on May 23, 2018 12:07:35 GMT -5
I was looking back through some Hogan matches and Lesnar is just being booked so much more dominant than Hogan ever was. It almost makes some of the Hogan bashing back then look silly.
How many losses has Bork taken since winning the title from Goldberg? (Other than Survivor Series and the Rumble how many matches did he lose that year in general?)
From 2016 through now...Brock has had 29 matches and lost 4. Two were Royal Rumble matches and another was a triple threat.
If you look at the timeline with Hogan spray painting the title after beating the Giant and losing to Sting, Hogan had 26 matches. He only won 5 clean. The rest had a lot of DQ finishes, Luger beating him on Nitro for the title and he lost to Jacques Rougeau in Quebec for his retirement match.
I’m at the point why I can see how some people can’t see there being anyone on the roster kayfabe wise that can beat him. He’s just been booked that dominant.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on May 23, 2018 12:14:28 GMT -5
I can't agree that Lesnar is worse. Hogan and those damn run ins and interference finishes really hurt what was otherwise a good show with such a high profile main event match. Lesnar has clean, definitive finishes, whether you like the results or not, so it's not like you feel robbed with overbooking like you did with Hogan matches.
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Post by Rolent Tex on May 23, 2018 12:28:41 GMT -5
I can't agree that Lesnar is worse. Hogan and those damn run ins and interference finishes really hurt what was otherwise a good show with such a high profile main event match. Lesnar has clean, definitive finishes, whether you like the results or not, so it's not like you feel robbed with overbooking like you did with Hogan matches. I think by that point it was going to be expected with the nWo’s style of gang warfare. Brock has somehow managed to become more dominant the older he gets. The dude lost 2 of his first 3 matches back when he was hot coming out of UFC. At least with Hogan he came off as a giant chickenshit that couldn’t win without his buddies. Lesnar just steamrolls all comers and has stood tall as a heel with the title two Mania’s in a row. It used to be unheard of for a heel to walk out of Mania with the belt for just one year. |
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Post by chronocross on May 23, 2018 12:33:01 GMT -5
At the time, that was Hogan's gimmick as he was leading a gang of goons and a chickens*** heel who needed his gang to bail him out when he was in trouble. Plus he did appear on Nitro quite a bit, taking some beatdowns from Sting/Giant/Piper, etc here and there throughout the year. Though they could've definitely scaled back on the run-ins as it did get very repetitive after a while.
Hogan lost 3 matches to Luger, (1 non-title, 1 tag and 1 for the title) in 1997, with Lesnar you barely see him appear on TV at all and forget he is the Universal Champ.
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Post by Rolent Tex on May 23, 2018 13:08:10 GMT -5
At the time, that was Hogan's gimmick as he was leading a gang of goons and a chickens*** heel who needed his gang to bail him out when he was in trouble. Plus he did appear on Nitro quite a bit, taking some beatdowns from Sting/Giant/Piper, etc here and there throughout the year. Though they could've definitely scaled back on the run-ins as it did get very repetitive after a while. Hogan lost 3 matches to Luger, (1 non-title, 1 tag and 1 for the title) in 1997, with Lesnar you barely see him appear on TV at all and forget he is the Universal Champ. I was shocked to realize Lesnar has had almost 30 matches since 2016. |
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on May 23, 2018 13:10:57 GMT -5
No he’s not, and it isn’t even close. Much prefer an absentee dominate champion to a chickenshit heel and his buddies dominating every aspect of programming for years on end.
Lesnar also isn’t constantly torpedoing every decision creative makes because he feels threatened.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on May 23, 2018 13:16:18 GMT -5
It all depends what you mean by “worse”
Hogan in WCW was absurd at a certain point because he f***ing booked himself like that. Any title decisions or pushes he made himself and literally nobody could tell him what to do (mostly because they were too busy trying to book themselves to win titles and lead awful stables).
Brock is booked this way because Vince just wants it that way. He’s not making any booking decisions about his reign, he’s not writing anything. As long as you pay the guy, he’ll pretty much do whatever you tell him in short or something dumb.
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Post by DragonMasterP on May 23, 2018 13:19:07 GMT -5
Brock never ruined a huge company changing match that was being built up for a whole year with his ego the way Hogan did (To my knowledge, anyway), so he still isn’t as bad.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 14:06:44 GMT -5
No he’s not, and it isn’t even close. Much prefer an absentee dominate champion to a chickenshit heel and his buddies dominating every aspect of programming for years on end. Lesnar also isn’t constantly torpedoing every decision creative makes because he feels threatened. Lesnar torpedoes out of apathy/lazyness. And Lesnar is booked like a mid 90's fighting game boss that hogan would be envious of. |
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on May 23, 2018 14:07:50 GMT -5
Brock never ruined a huge company changing match that was being built up for a whole year with his ego the way Hogan did (To my knowledge, anyway), so he still isn’t as bad. He made Dean Ambrose look awful in a match where the idea was to make Ambrose look strong in defeat. |
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Post by hbkwrestlinggod on May 23, 2018 14:51:51 GMT -5
Brock never ruined a huge company changing match that was being built up for a whole year with his ego the way Hogan did (To my knowledge, anyway), so he still isn’t as bad. He made Dean Ambrose look awful in a match where the idea was to make Ambrose look strong in defeat. Sting in 1997 before Starrcade was as popular as any babyface in the 90s including Steve Austin, are you comparing Sting to Dean Ambrose? lol beyond laughable. |
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on May 23, 2018 14:56:48 GMT -5
Nah, Lesnar has lost clean since being back in WWE.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on May 23, 2018 15:07:45 GMT -5
No he’s not, and it isn’t even close. Much prefer an absentee dominate champion to a chickenshit heel and his buddies dominating every aspect of programming for years on end. Lesnar also isn’t constantly torpedoing every decision creative makes because he feels threatened. Lesnar torpedoes out of apathy/lazyness. And Lesnar is booked like a mid 90's fighting game boss that hogan would be envious of. Lesnar is happy to take the 1-2-3 as long as the check clears. If the promotion is booked like a commercial for him, that’s the writers fault, not his. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 15:15:45 GMT -5
He made Dean Ambrose look awful in a match where the idea was to make Ambrose look strong in defeat. Sting in 1997 before Starrcade was as popular as any babyface in the 90s including Steve Austin, are you comparing Sting to Dean Ambrose? lol beyond laughable. Last I'll contribute bc I already see this thread being a circle jerk. To paraphrase a quote "all it takes for evil to succeed, is for good men to do nothing". Now I'm not calling Vince evil or Brock good, but Hogan booking out of ego/self interest is a much more relatable mindset to me than pure utter apathy resonating from Brock. Aaaand lest we forget, Brock came up with Goldberg idea, vetoed working shane, shot down deans ideas. Brock IS an egomaniac. He views wwe as beneath him but their cash isnt. So he's a lazy entitled hypocrite who doesn't appear but maybe 10x a year while holding the kayfabe biggest belt in the company. People shit on reigns for "Romans sleeping" yet without fail, EVERY multiman match w Brock has a spot where the beast takes a nap for 5-10 minutes, comes back after others work, and wins. And its been going on basically since 2013/2014. Roman has stagnated which means the entire raw upper act has stagnated. But good thing 50 yr old Goldberg got to pose w his oddly fat son shirtless after slaying the Beast. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 23, 2018 15:34:46 GMT -5
When it takes multiple cases of outside interference, an international object shot, a crooked referee and a barbed wire steel cage to defeat Brock Lesnar like it did to defeat Hulk at Uncensored 99, then I may be inclined to agree, but we're a long way off that point. Hogan was protected at all costs, the company couldn't book any main eventangles without his say so and his contract made long term planning impossible, Brock is booked like he is because the WWE want him to be.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 23, 2018 15:36:36 GMT -5
When it takes multiple cases of outside interference, an international object shot, a crooked referee and a barbed wire steel cage to defeat Brock Lesnar like it did to defeat Hulk at Uncensored 99, then I may be inclined to agree, but we're a long way off that point. Hogan was protected at all costs, the company couldn't book any main eventangles without his say so and his contract made long term planning impossible, Brock is booked like he is because the WWE want him to be. Yeah, Hogan was how he was in WCW because he had total control over his own booking and input on the main event regardless of if he was in it. |
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Post by mauled on May 23, 2018 16:02:54 GMT -5
Big difference is that Hulk has creative control and actively sabotaged other wrestlers careers, he considered a threat and refused to even wrestle (let alone lose) anyone he didn’t consider a buddy.
Brock maybe there just for the paycheck but you’ll never hear “that don’t work for me brother” from Brock
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Post by ChitownKnight on May 23, 2018 16:12:06 GMT -5
He made Dean Ambrose look awful in a match where the idea was to make Ambrose look strong in defeat. Sting in 1997 before Starrcade was as popular as any babyface in the 90s including Steve Austin, are you comparing Sting to Dean Ambrose? lol beyond laughable. Ambrose might not be as big as Sting, but that was still a dick move by Brock |
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on May 23, 2018 16:45:29 GMT -5
Sting in 1997 before Starrcade was as popular as any babyface in the 90s including Steve Austin, are you comparing Sting to Dean Ambrose? lol beyond laughable. Ambrose might not be as big as Sting, but that was still a dick move by Brock It was totally a dick move but in the grand scheme of things that match could have been a classic and it wouldn't have made a difference, other than to Ambrose himself. Lesnar is lazy and does have an ego, but Hogan had a big hand in f***ing up WCW. |
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Post by StreetCutter on May 23, 2018 17:02:24 GMT -5
As characters Lesnar is worse. He's too dominant and doesn't even look the part any more. I watched his IWGP match with Nakamura recently and forgot how big he was. He really was a beast. Not like now with his chicken legs and botching suplexes. Hogan as a character was more entertaining. Match quality was about the same but the promos and charisma was better. Nwo as lackeys were great.
But as people Hogan is worse. He had too much power and would put his ego ahead of the company. Lesnar just does what he's told.
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