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Post by Lance Uppercut on May 23, 2018 13:32:19 GMT -5
I mean, I get the whole "destroy competition" "build a monopoly" reasoning, seriously....
If WWE for some reason decided to let the company do it's thing, it would still be without television, limited roster, unable to afford the bigger names, and limping around except with Bischoff in the Dixie CArter/Jeff jarrett role of delusionally holding on to a dying brand.
Wouldn't it just end up being TNA?
Bought by a group of investors, no TV channel. Probably shop around and maybe do a ppv without tv (the weekly PPV's), end up on some low end cable station (Fox Sports west), Maybe end up on Spike if it survived to 2005, and then we'd probably get the same revolving door of incompetence we've seen for the last 13 years so far. Maybe even less because it was these own people's money rather than Dixie Carter's Father's money. I imagine we'd be seeing the revolving door of money marks and idiot as well. It might start off with a bang (TNA 2004 - 2015) and eventally end up the sad mess of as how we're seeing now (2015-current).
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Post by Woo on May 23, 2018 13:34:05 GMT -5
Do they? I've never heard that. Most fans ate delighted that it was the WWE who bought it.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 13:40:30 GMT -5
People are more irritated at WWE shitting on WCW's legacy at every opportunity while blissfully making the same mistakes.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on May 23, 2018 13:47:16 GMT -5
People vilify them more for resting on their laurels since then.
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Post by cjh on May 23, 2018 13:55:21 GMT -5
By the time WWE bought it, Bischoff's group had called off the deal due to TBS and TNT canceling the shows, so WCW would just be a dead group whose assets were still owned by AOL TW if WWE didn't come into the picture.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on May 23, 2018 13:59:55 GMT -5
Bischoff's group was willing to pay a lot more for wcw than the WWF paid. Yet, aol/time Warner sold it to the wwf, the lower bidder and the WWF got to close their competition. Sweetheart deal, maybe???
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Post by fw91 on May 23, 2018 14:01:26 GMT -5
People vilify them for revisionist history and not getting over it.
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on May 23, 2018 14:09:07 GMT -5
I remember checking out the wrestling message boards back in the late 90s and it was very popular to make fun of WCW (think of LOLTNA but amplified by 10). But as the years went on, the more nostalgic people were for WCW (in its prime) especially with WWE constantly beating the dead horse about how much they were cooler and better than WCW and repeatedly taking shots at a long defunct competitor; one only needs to see how a certain WWE Hall of Famer turned politician is constantly attacking his defeated opponent long after emerging victorious to see the parallel here. People were growing sympathetic towards WCW and their legacy.
I think the WWE has finally lightened up and are now finally starting to treat WCW with the respect they deserve, especially with the last two of three WWE Hall of Fame headliners.
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Post by alexwrightspackage on May 23, 2018 14:35:52 GMT -5
Kinda feel like it might be worse if WCW bought WWF.
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Post by Cyno on May 23, 2018 14:45:22 GMT -5
I don't think anyone vilified WWF just for buying WCW. WCW's days were numbered and it was clear that Time Warner was either going to sell it or shut it down entirely. At the time, WWF seemed like the most logical company to buy them. Hell, even the Invasion angle wasn't entirely WWF's fault, given that a good chunk of WCW's biggest names were under contract with Time Warner and not WCW itself.
It's how they treated WCW's legacy and wrestlers even after the contract issues were settled that drew criticism from WWE. Most of it just seemed to come off as a giant ego trip from Vince, rubbing it in WCW's former employees and talent's faces that he won the war.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 23, 2018 14:45:36 GMT -5
Kinda feel like it might be worse if WCW bought WWF. Mainstream wrestling would probably be dead after 2001, had WCW bought WWE in like 97. WCW only had like 2 years of profitability and was horribly mismanaged from the beginning, the only thing keeping it afloat was Ted Turner... post merger it probably would still have got cut... unless things like Bischoff's spend all of Ted's money attitude, and people like Hogan having creative control on ALL main events written into their contracts stop... I don't see much change... (but I guess good news is in this Reality Russo doesn't get hired and they don't waste 1.6 million dollars on Fat Chick Thriller/That 70's Guy Mike Awesome.)
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Post by cjh on May 23, 2018 14:58:29 GMT -5
Kinda feel like it might be worse if WCW bought WWF. Mainstream wrestling would probably be dead after 2001, had WCW bought WWE in like 97. WCW only had like 2 years of profitability and was horribly mismanaged from the beginning, the only thing keeping it afloat was Ted Turner... post merger it probably would still have got cut... unless Bischoff's spend all of Ted's money attitude, and people like Hogan having creative control on ALL main events written into their contracts I don't see much change... (but I guess good news is in this Reality Russo doesn't get hired and they don't waste 1.6 million dollars on Fat Chick Thriller/That 70's Guy Mike Awesome.) What's the source for that figure? On WWE's "ECW Unreleased Vol. 1" set, Joey Styles talks about Awesome going to WCW and says it was for, I think, $350,000 a year.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 23, 2018 15:04:53 GMT -5
Mainstream wrestling would probably be dead after 2001, had WCW bought WWE in like 97. WCW only had like 2 years of profitability and was horribly mismanaged from the beginning, the only thing keeping it afloat was Ted Turner... post merger it probably would still have got cut... unless Bischoff's spend all of Ted's money attitude, and people like Hogan having creative control on ALL main events written into their contracts I don't see much change... (but I guess good news is in this Reality Russo doesn't get hired and they don't waste 1.6 million dollars on Fat Chick Thriller/That 70's Guy Mike Awesome.) What's the source for that figure? On WWE's "ECW Unreleased Vol. 1" set, Joey Styles talks about Awesome going to WCW and says it was for, I think, $350,000 a year. I can't find the news but if I remember correctly it was. his contract, a signing bonus, wcw buying out his contract, and a few other things. edit: looking up I was way over. It was still over a million dollars. but it was roughly 1.2 million not 1.6 950k for his 3 year contract 150k signing bonus 75k to buy out his contract from ECW Still a shitload of money to turn someone into a joke like immediately.
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Post by Mike Bockwinkel on May 23, 2018 15:10:14 GMT -5
People vilify them more for resting on their laurels since then. "Resting on their yanny"?
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Post by Hit Girl on May 23, 2018 15:14:40 GMT -5
They don't . They villify WCW for running their business into the ground and rightly so.
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Post by psychokiller on May 23, 2018 18:04:36 GMT -5
It’s not that they dislike that WWE bought it, it’s what they’ve done to the WCW brand name since owning it. The Invasion angle in 2001 was a huge disaster for instance. Than also being way too complacent in how things are due to technically having a monopoly. They’re too lazy & don’t want to improve the on screen product. At this point it’ll never happen after this FOX deal. If WCW was still around there’s no way the quality of shows would be this bad right now.
If Bischoff bought WCW he wouldn’t of turned things around from scratch though. He’s an elite on screen talent, but as a guy in charge behind the scenes he’s a huge hack. He had a few good ideas but in every interview he constantly says he can’t recall if it’s something negative he highly likely did when he was in charge. He also had Ted Turner’s money to be able to have such a talented roster. He probably would have had Hogan win the title a few more times into his 50s. As well as still push the older talent at the expense of the younger guys.
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Post by ISO Mid Thigh Pull on May 23, 2018 18:05:36 GMT -5
Cause *I* wanted to buy WCW, thank you very much.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 18:07:54 GMT -5
I guess I wanted them to keep it running as a promotion with weekly TV
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Post by Lance Uppercut on May 23, 2018 18:09:24 GMT -5
I say vilify because the way people talk, it sounds like they tend to blame the current state of wrestling and the worst thing ever is WWE creating a monopoly and destroying Wcw like they had a choice to not to.
The main culprits are Jason Angew and Dan lovranski from the Law, Dave Meltzer and the people who call in to those shows always refer to it with the sort of anger like they blame the act of WWE buying WCW itself as something they shouldn’t have done.
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Post by The Barber on May 23, 2018 18:25:18 GMT -5
Bischoff's group was willing to pay a lot more for wcw than the WWF paid. Yet, aol/time Warner sold it to the wwf, the lower bidder and the WWF got to close their competition. Sweetheart deal, maybe??? Everyone on here brings up good points, but yours is the one I want to talk about. I have heard rumors that Vince may have had a guy who was working on the inside and judging by what paid for it, it wouldn't shock me.
Where's Jesse Ventura when you need him?
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