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Post by MrElijah on May 24, 2018 17:16:24 GMT -5
Let's not pretend that Vince McMahon bankrolled companies like ECW out of the goodness of his heart, either. There are ulterior motives. Absolutely. Like, as seemingly beneficial the relationship might be for Progress and ICW, the fact of the matter is the best places in the UK to be showcased are those two and Rev Pro. Rev Pro’s out because of their NJPW connections (and why give that up getting Okada, Tanahashi and Naito twice a year for an NXT talent every so often, no disrespect intended for Kassius Ohno) so those two are the other options. And whilst I’m not fully on the WWE is Evil train, it’s not a coincidence WWE’s in the picture after ICW sold out the SSE Hydro (a 10,000 seat venue) two years in a row. The Wrestling Cold War World Wrestling Entertainment -PROGRESS -Insane Championship Wrestling -Evolve New Japan Pro Wrestling -RevPro -Ring of Honor -CMLL Unaffiliated -PWG -wXw -Combat Zone Wrestling -SHIMMER -CHIKARA The Next Dimension -Lucha Underground We need an Alliance for Wrestling......a National one to govern these areas. Territories, if you will.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 17:45:28 GMT -5
Why not? WWE and McMahon have been doing this kinda shit since the 80's and WCW tried to do the same to them in the 90's. Maintaining the monopoly is good for their business even if it's bad for the industry as a whole.
Except that is companies that really are a threat or competition. They also have a history of helping companies that they have seen as breeding grounds for talent- such as SMW, ECW, WWN, Progress, etc. So, do I think evil WWE is all of the sudden decided they need to crush Court Bauer and MLW? No. Are there some guys working for them that they have their eyes on? Yea I am sure. I think it just makes a good headline- look at most of the responses in this thread. Pull the “WWE is evil!” string and get people riled up. Yeah, this reeks of Bauer feeding a story to Meltzer to make his company feel like a big deal rather than WWE specifically painting a target on MLW. WWE absolutely wants to stomp out the potential World of Sport revival since that would be on a major network in one of WWE's most important markets but they don't give a single shit about a small US company that airs on a network nobody has heard of.
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Post by abjordans on May 24, 2018 18:33:58 GMT -5
Except that is companies that really are a threat or competition. They also have a history of helping companies that they have seen as breeding grounds for talent- such as SMW, ECW, WWN, Progress, etc. So, do I think evil WWE is all of the sudden decided they need to crush Court Bauer and MLW? No. Are there some guys working for them that they have their eyes on? Yea I am sure. I think it just makes a good headline- look at most of the responses in this thread. Pull the “WWE is evil!” string and get people riled up. Yeah, this reeks of Bauer feeding a story to Meltzer to make his company feel like a big deal rather than WWE specifically painting a target on MLW. WWE absolutely wants to stomp out the potential World of Sport revival since that would be on a major network in one of WWE's most important markets but they don't give a single shit about a small US company that airs on a network nobody has heard of. Great point. I am sure that is what happened honestly.
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 24, 2018 19:08:27 GMT -5
I take that to mean WWE is monitoring the likes of Joey Janela, Jimmy Havoc, MJF, and Shane Strickland
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 24, 2018 19:12:08 GMT -5
God, please don't let them get Joey. I'd HATE to see that dude reduced to "He just likes to have fun, Byron!"
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Post by abjordans on May 24, 2018 19:36:06 GMT -5
Would Janela be on WWE’s radar?
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on May 24, 2018 19:50:36 GMT -5
Would Janela be on WWE’s radar? After the two Spring Break PPVs I am sure someone at WWE knows who Janella is.
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Post by Reflecto on May 24, 2018 20:55:42 GMT -5
I take that to mean WWE is monitoring the likes of Joey Janela, Jimmy Havoc, MJF, and Shane Strickland Judging by the MLW roster on the website, I'd be willing to bet the most likely people WWE are monitoring would be Jimmy Havoc (worked Axxess for them, is a PROGRESS star), Santana Garrett (MYC person last year), Chelsea Green (clearly wants to be in WWE and seems like a lock for the current MYC) and Mike Parrow (who works for EVOLVE, but wasn't mentioned with the "Matt Riddle had to leave MLW because of his WWN deal".)
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Post by honsou on May 24, 2018 21:26:19 GMT -5
It would be interesting to see if WWE goes full WCW and hires people just to sit and home. A ton of people will just end up taking the check but there are going to be slightly bigger indie names that will hold out just a little bit longer in hopes of getting a full Ricochet type deal.
I think there goal isn't so much to run any particular promotion out of business (besides world of sport) but to make all the indies still feel like the minor leagues by calling up anyone who looks like they have a potential to be a star. The good news is that there is so much talent out there now a days that an indie can pretty easily fill spots but will find it hard to make full blown "build your entire promotion around" type of guys.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on May 24, 2018 21:44:34 GMT -5
Literally never heard of MLW. How out of the loop am I, here? Not really. Notable indie from mid-00s (like a notch below ROH but still above the crowd) that died in the mid-00s but was resurrected last year.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on May 24, 2018 22:43:55 GMT -5
There’s a lot of talent there.
I think MJF is a no-brainer, as is Strickland. Jeff Cobb is tremendous. I’d like to see ACH get a shot and I think Filthy Tom should get a look, too. I’d be shocked if Chelsea Green didn’t go back at some point.
Obviously, it’d be dope to see Joey get that WWE money, but I don’t think they’d remotely use him properly and he’d be miserable.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 24, 2018 23:10:55 GMT -5
Of the roster there, I will say Im shocked WWE hasn't signed Jeff Cobb or ACH yet outright, both seem like the type of guys WWE would want, Cobb especially, he is a monster and not only that he's good at what he does.
And yeah Janela is definitely on their radar but he has such a specific gimmick that I'd hate to see it watered down
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 23:19:48 GMT -5
Cobb is gonna completely bomb in the WWE.
And that hurts to say because I know that he is gonna end up there and I love the mans work but Cobbs biggest issue is that without the Matanza gimmick he is just another guy it is the reason why yea Cobb is great in ring but has not blown up like a Pentagon and Fenix.
He is the perfect fit for NJPW though.
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Post by jakes on May 25, 2018 2:44:49 GMT -5
Yeah, this reeks of Bauer feeding a story to Meltzer to make his company feel like a big deal rather than WWE specifically painting a target on MLW. WWE absolutely wants to stomp out the potential World of Sport revival since that would be on a major network in one of WWE's most important markets but they don't give a single shit about a small US company that airs on a network nobody has heard of. Great point. I am sure that is what happened honestly. I think this is a good possibility. I buy into WWE making moves against ROH and ITV, but I feel like there's more to this MLW story than what is being told. Keep in mind that Bauer has been known to B.S. a lot and come up with stories to make himself look more important. I've heard some people say he has greatly exaggerated the importance of his role while working for WWE so I wouldn't be shocked if he's throwing out a lot of B.S. just to try get MLW over. Also keep in mind that he's a long time friend of Meltzer so of course we are going to hear the MLW spin on things from the Observer. I don't buy that this WWE/MLW situation is as one sided as this story is portraying. Its not just the big bad evil WWe trying to pick on the poor little MLW. Bauer and others working behind the scenes for MLW have a history of running their mouths about WWE. So I can totally get why WWE would dislike MLW.
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Post by timelimitdraw on May 25, 2018 4:16:46 GMT -5
I'm happy to see MLW get a TV deal. I think their production is gradually improving and they've got a good mix of talent. I'm also glad to see them doing their own thing creatively.
I can see WWE making blatant overtures to some of the talent, because larger companies do that. But viewing this as a full-blown talent raid is rather premature. I can definitely see Court Bauer using this to rally his troops though, like Paul Heyman did in ECW.
That being said, the three biggest stars in the company (Shane Strickland, Rey Fenix, and Pentagon Jr.) are under contract to Lucha Underground and are working MLW tapings with permission. Gotta believe that the second those guys are free and clear of their LU deals, they're not signing with MLW if WWE or New Japan come calling.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 25, 2018 4:20:34 GMT -5
I think this is newz. I mean am I surprised WWE is trying to sign someone like Shane Strickland? No. Do I think it is to put MLW out of business? No. Why not? WWE and McMahon have been doing this kinda shit since the 80's and WCW tried to do the same to them in the 90's. Maintaining the monopoly is good for their business even if it's bad for the industry as a whole.
Vince had Corny and WWE layers going over WCW contracts during the attitude era, trying to find ways to break them and sign people away, while wailing that big bad WCW was stealing his talent... Yet somehow, people still buy the myth that Vince cares that guys honour their contracts and promises to promoters.
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Post by celticjobber on May 25, 2018 4:54:19 GMT -5
Perhaps they're just interested in hiring Tony Schiavone away to be the new voice of Smackdown?
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Post by lucas_lee on May 25, 2018 5:13:23 GMT -5
God, please don't let them get Joey. I'd HATE to see that dude reduced to "He just likes to have fun, Byron!" It's his end goal. I've talked to the guy a few times. He really wants to go to WWE. Literally would die of happiness if he gets an offer
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Post by abjordans on May 25, 2018 5:23:43 GMT -5
Why not? WWE and McMahon have been doing this kinda shit since the 80's and WCW tried to do the same to them in the 90's. Maintaining the monopoly is good for their business even if it's bad for the industry as a whole.
Vince had Corny and WWE layers going over WCW contracts during the attitude era, trying to find ways to break them and sign people away, while wailing that big bad WCW was stealing his talent... Yet somehow, people still buy the myth that Vince cares that guys honour their contracts and promises to promoters. If you really think Vince McMahon looks at MLW the same way he looked at WCW, well, I will just allow you to keep thinking that, but sheesh come on...
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 25, 2018 5:48:51 GMT -5
Vince had Corny and WWE layers going over WCW contracts during the attitude era, trying to find ways to break them and sign people away, while wailing that big bad WCW was stealing his talent... Yet somehow, people still buy the myth that Vince cares that guys honour their contracts and promises to promoters. If you really think Vince McMahon looks at MLW the same way he looked at WCW, well, I will just allow you to keep thinking that, but sheesh come on... Bringing up a pattern of behaviour towards competitors and Vince's hypocrisy isn't saying MLW is the new WCW and I am not sure why you would think otherwise. Vince will do these things at times just because he can, even where there's no real threat.
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