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Post by corndog on Jun 11, 2018 10:01:41 GMT -5
I thought Norton was the perfect Banner and I loved the look of the Hulk in that film. Probably one of my favorite MCU films, but now they got the look and feel of a MCU down that rewatching it feels like I’m watching one of the Netflix shows where it’s connected but doesn’t look and feel like anything else. I like Ruffalo, but he doesn’t seem like Banner to me. He doesn’t seem super smart or even that conflicted about turning into the Hulk. But like the awkward Avengers Hulk design, I’ve gotten used to both over these last few movies and seeing anything else now would be odd. As for why it doesn’t work, it’s like watching the old Hulk cartoon. Every episode it feels like Banner is making some attempt at curing himself. After a few episodes it got a bit repetitive. That’s how I feel watching the movies, and why it’s so hard to make annother. But that’s pretty much the whole story arc of the Hulk. I agree, outside of the initial storyline it gets repetitive and I really don't have any desire to see sequels to Hulk movies. I think Marvel is using him best as a character in other films. If we really want to talk about a screwed up Marvel film series, it's Spiderman. Spiderman was always my favorite Marvel comic growing up and I loved the cartoon series. But at this rate it feels like we will never get to Maximum Carnage and that still pisses me off. It's a shame, because I enjoyed most of Sam Raimi Spiderman films with the exception of casting Topher Grace as Venom.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jun 11, 2018 13:15:40 GMT -5
Because you don't pay an Oscar nominatefd actor to replaced by a CGI character 2/3 of the movie.*
* A second time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 13:23:43 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I've a little confused on the Universal rights thing, can you explain a little bit about it? Marvel has the rights to use Hulk in their movies, but any actual Hulk movie Universal has the right to distribute. In order to do a Hulk stand alone movie, Disney would either have to buyout Universals rights (and Universal refuses to workout a deal) or share distribution with them which Disney is unwilling to do. At least, that’s my understanding based on statements from Ruffalo and Feige. So, usually if a company doesn't use the rights within some period of time they lapse back to the owners. It's been 10 years since they made/distributed a Hulk movie, and they still have those rights. Does.....does Marvel's continued usage of the Hulk somehow keep the rights active with Universal?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 11, 2018 14:16:40 GMT -5
Marvel has the rights to use Hulk in their movies, but any actual Hulk movie Universal has the right to distribute. In order to do a Hulk stand alone movie, Disney would either have to buyout Universals rights (and Universal refuses to workout a deal) or share distribution with them which Disney is unwilling to do. At least, that’s my understanding based on statements from Ruffalo and Feige. So, usually if a company doesn't use the rights within some period of time they lapse back to the owners. It's been 10 years since they made/distributed a Hulk movie, and they still have those rights. Does.....does Marvel's continued usage of the Hulk somehow keep the rights active with Universal? Marvel own the rights to produce a Hulk movie, but Universal have right of first refusal to distribute, and will so until they decide otherwise. Marvel could make another Hulk movie if they wanted to, but their cut of the profits would be minimal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 14:48:21 GMT -5
So, usually if a company doesn't use the rights within some period of time they lapse back to the owners. It's been 10 years since they made/distributed a Hulk movie, and they still have those rights. Does.....does Marvel's continued usage of the Hulk somehow keep the rights active with Universal? Marvel own the rights to produce a Hulk movie, but Universal have right of first refusal to distribute, and will so until they decide otherwise. Marvel could make another Hulk movie if they wanted to, but their cut of the profits would be minimal. I keep forgetting how messed up that whole rights issue is with Marvel. I hope whoever made that Universal deal is long gone. Also explains why Namor's nowhere to be seen; he was part of that Universal deal too, and the clarity of how he can be used as either equally messed up or just not high profile enough to be understood yet. BTW, here's that fun "who can be used where" guide that's floated around online for years...
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jun 11, 2018 14:54:43 GMT -5
The f*** is Namor doing in that circle of Hulk characters?
All anyone can say in any interview is that his rights situation is "complicated"
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 11, 2018 15:01:36 GMT -5
Marvel own the rights to produce a Hulk movie, but Universal have right of first refusal to distribute, and will so until they decide otherwise. Marvel could make another Hulk movie if they wanted to, but their cut of the profits would be minimal. I keep forgetting how messed up that whole rights issue is with Marvel. I hope whoever made that Universal deal is long gone. Also explains why Namor's nowhere to be seen; he was part of that Universal deal too, and the clarity of how he can be used as either equally messed up or just not high profile enough to be understood yet. Hell, until 2006 Marvel didn't even have all the Avengers. Universal had Hulk, Sony had Thor, New Line had Iron Man and Nick Fury, and Lions Gate had Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Captain America.
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Post by schma on Jun 12, 2018 0:37:42 GMT -5
Ang Lee leaned heavy into the 'it's a comic book movie!' and shot it as if you were reading an older comic book. Using the aforementioned ridiculous death scene as reference, here it is in its entirety: There is a style to it for sure, but when you're talking nearly 2 1/2 hours of this, it can be somewhat jarring to say the least. It's not the worst thing in the world, but compared to the higher standards that Marvel movies have become since the MCU began, it doesn't come close. Dear God, I forgot so much of that. I didn't remember the comic bookness at all. I thought Norton was the perfect Banner and I loved the look of the Hulk in that film. Probably one of my favorite MCU films, but now they got the look and feel of a MCU down that rewatching it feels like I’m watching one of the Netflix shows where it’s connected but doesn’t look and feel like anything else. I like Ruffalo, but he doesn’t seem like Banner to me. He doesn’t seem super smart or even that conflicted about turning into the Hulk. But like the awkward Avengers Hulk design, I’ve gotten used to both over these last few movies and seeing anything else now would be odd. As for why it doesn’t work, it’s like watching the old Hulk cartoon. Every episode it feels like Banner is making some attempt at curing himself. After a few episodes it got a bit repetitive. That’s how I feel watching the movies, and why it’s so hard to make annother. But that’s pretty much the whole story arc of the Hulk. I agree, outside of the initial storyline it gets repetitive and I really don't have any desire to see sequels to Hulk movies. I think Marvel is using him best as a character in other films. If we really want to talk about a screwed up Marvel film series, it's Spiderman. Spiderman was always my favorite Marvel comic growing up and I loved the cartoon series. But at this rate it feels like we will never get to Maximum Carnage and that still pisses me off. It's a shame, because I enjoyed most of Sam Raimi Spiderman films with the exception of casting Topher Grace as Venom. There were multiple issues with Spider-man 3. The first is that Marvel was pushing for Venom. Raimi really wanted Sandman and apparently doesn't like Venom. Also, they had that hanging Harry plot that had to be dealt with. The other issue is that no one would guarantee a fourth movie. The actors didn't want to do it without Raimi and he wouldn't commit. As a result they tried to make everyone happy and basically rammed 2 separate movies into one.
If they could have gotten the guaranteed fourth film they could have wrapped up Harry and given Sandman a proper story in the third, with Peter getting the symbiote and starting to go dark. Then the fourth movie could be the effects of the symbiote and Venom. Although, Raimi's version of Peter under the influence of the symbiote would probably still have been terrible. If they had done just Venom or just Sandman the movie would have been much tighter and stronger. Instead Sandman was introduced, we were given a reason to care for him, then he became a mindless monster for most of the movie and then at the end the character came back.
Marvel own the rights to produce a Hulk movie, but Universal have right of first refusal to distribute, and will so until they decide otherwise. Marvel could make another Hulk movie if they wanted to, but their cut of the profits would be minimal. I keep forgetting how messed up that whole rights issue is with Marvel. I hope whoever made that Universal deal is long gone. Also explains why Namor's nowhere to be seen; he was part of that Universal deal too, and the clarity of how he can be used as either equally messed up or just not high profile enough to be understood yet. BTW, here's that fun "who can be used where" guide that's floated around online for years... A big part of the issue with this is that Marvel nearly went bankrupt in the 90s and was saved by investors who were only interested in squeezing every penny out of it they could. There was a push to move toward movies as some of the people involved in the company recognized that Spidey or X-men could be billion dollar franchises. The thing is, in their weakened position they weren't really in a strong negotiating position and ended up with some pretty terrible deals. In the years since they've technically tried to renegotiate but understandly Sony and Fox had zero reason to play ball. That's why Marvel was so at odds with them.
On the comics side of things, the X-men have been through a lot of crap the past couple decades and while Marvel vehemently claims that they were not sabotaging the X-men franchise (and the Fantastic Four) as a result of their issues with Fox it was clear to longtime readers that there were a number of creative choices made that made no sense unless you were trying to diminish the importance of the teams and their members. After all, the movies have made far more money than the comics ever will.
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