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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 17, 2018 23:05:25 GMT -5
I said something like this the other day... Why isnt Braun the champion? I understand on the grounds of “Crowds love him”, sure. I’d love him to be champion too. The sticking point for me, though, is that he’s booked as basically a full-time Lesnar, with strong work ethic substituting for a hunk of red leather and metal. Dude kicked out of two primary finishers and a secondary finisher, after taking that same secondary finisher from a ladder through a commentary table before winning tonight. You’d want to make his title feuds look like the other guy has a chance of beating him for the sake of there being any unpredictability in the matter, but doing that might take away what makes Strowman so special. It’s not him, it’s just an issue I find with booking a monster face as champion and trying to build feuds off of it. Strowman’s awesome, but that’s the quandary WWE now face.
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Post by BK From WV on Jun 17, 2018 23:06:27 GMT -5
It's at this point that I realize I'm old because I have zero clue what being too OP even means. I assume overpushed or overprotected but not certain.
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Post by H-Virus on Jun 17, 2018 23:07:10 GMT -5
I'm gonna be perfectly honest: I love Braun Strowman specifically BECAUSE he's so overpowered.
I became a fan of his the night he flipped over an ambulance, for crying out loud.
I marked out the night he came out to fight Kevin Owens, saw Jericho sitting at the announce table and killed him before the match started to make sure he wouldn't interfere later on. The fact that he's not just another dumb meathead is refreshing to me.
Knowing that he can probably run a 100 meter dash in six seconds despite looking like a small mountain is impressive even outside of kayfabe.
Having him no-sell a trash compactor? Both hilarious and awesome.
As a bonus, he knows how to be funny when the script calls for it.
As far as having no weaknesses? Well, a guy like Goldberg didn't have any weaknesses for the first 2 years of his career, either. BUT! As time went on, he started developing weaknesses. He slowed down a bit. His matches didn't end so quickly and weren't nearly as one-sided as they had been during his streak. People started to outsmart him, like Bret Hart with the metal chestplate. The same thing can happen to Strowman whenever WWE decide they're done having him be the Unstoppable Monster that he currently is.
As for Money in the Bank, well... it's already pretty much a proven fact that nobody on the current roster, not even Strowman himself, can stop Lesnar in a fair fight. If the storyline is going to be that Lesnar is the Ultimate Mary Sue who destroys everyone, then I feel like the best outcome is to have the second most dominant guy on the roster take him down during a moment of weakness, which I would guess is probably going to happen at Summerslam. Let Braun be a dominant champion who actually shows up every week for a few months and, in the meantime, build up the guy who's finally going to reach his level and take him down in the future.
Until then, I'm fine with how Braun's character has been playing out.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jun 17, 2018 23:07:32 GMT -5
Hard for me to turn on Braun when I've never liked him at all.
But if I'm WWE, this is exactly how I book things: Brock beats Roman at Summerslam yet again (UGH....) and is still relatively fresh, Braun cashes in and takes advantage of Brock's arrogance to win the title, Roman gets pissed and attacks Braun the next night and FINALLY turns heel, and you have those two tear it up for a while. Not sure where entirely to go afterwards, but it's an idea and sadly I'm not WWE.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 17, 2018 23:07:47 GMT -5
In the 90s, there was a story where the Hulk invaded a fictional Mideast country and he had some huge guns. It was fun, but it was played up like: "He's the Hulk, he doesn't need guns." That's this. I f***ing thought this was about Hulk Hogan for a minute and was wondering what part of the Dungeon of Doom storyline involved Kevin Sullivan becoming a Saudi prince to escape Hogan's wrath after kidnapping his wife, only to find out that you can't outrun the red white and blue. Whatcha gonna do when I'm angry brother? You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. And Taskmaster as Saudi prince is ludicrous until ya consider The Joker was in canon the Iranian ambassador to the US, Lex Luthor was president, among other horrifyingly stupid govt officials.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 23:09:15 GMT -5
I get the trepidation over how strong he's booked, although I disagree that it's a problem at the moment for reason I've already stated. But could someone please elaborate on this "Braun doesn't need it" thought? I don't understand it. As far as I'm concerned the case is just a prop designed to build intrigue for a potential title match. Out of the options on the table Strowman/Lesnar was the best option. Strowman had a title match with Lesnar just last year after he called Lesnar out. Strowman's a top guy so Angle let it happen, it made sense. He doesn't need the briefcase to call him out again. Another midcard guy on the other hand, say Kofi for example, if he tried the same thing it wouldn't work hence where the briefcase comes in because hey, he's not destroying Reigns like Strowman is so he has the briefcase to throw him into the mix.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 23:10:11 GMT -5
Probably been said already and way better than I could ever put it, but...
I enjoy Braun and it's fun watching him wreck dudes. I also don't mind him winning MITB. It does get boring rooting for the guy who kicks everyone's ass without a rival or two who can get the upper hand on them from time to time, though. Like I said during the Lars/Black match, even with the height difference I could easily buy Lars in that role.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jun 17, 2018 23:10:47 GMT -5
I get the trepidation over how strong he's booked, although I disagree that it's a problem at the moment for reason I've already stated. But could someone please elaborate on this "Braun doesn't need it" thought? I don't understand it. As far as I'm concerned the case is just a prop designed to build intrigue for a potential title match. Out of the options on the table Strowman/Lesnar was the best option. Strowman is already an established main event with tons of credibility. The WWE don't need him to win Money in the Bank because he can just kill fools and get Angle to say that he's number one contender. Someone like Balor is a main eventer but he's not established yet; he's mostly feuding with guys in the upper midcard or when a main eventer is holding the IC title. Because of how shit the WWE is at booking, Balor isn't credible as a threat for the title and needs MITB just to be seen as someone that could sneak a win over a Brock or Braun. Same with Rusev, he's a big burly dude but he has zero credibility in kayfabe. The only other guy in the match that didn't need MITB was Miz who is a chickenshit heel through and through but has enough of an established mean streak that he could jag a title win by cheating his ass off.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 23:11:11 GMT -5
I get the trepidation over how strong he's booked, although I disagree that it's a problem at the moment for reason I've already stated. But could someone please elaborate on this "Braun doesn't need it" thought? I don't understand it. As far as I'm concerned the case is just a prop designed to build intrigue for a potential title match. Out of the options on the table Strowman/Lesnar was the best option. He's already one of the most credible, unstoppable dudes on the roster who won the tag titles singlehandedly, has unresolved issues with Lesnar from the Rumble and from them having him on the backburner in case there was an issue with Mania, and he just won a Royal Rumble a couple months ago. There would be absolutely nothing stopping them from having Braun win a random title shot in a four way or just demand one or something. All giving him Money in the Bank did was blow a once-a-year chance to potentially elevate someone who could use it a lot more than the third most protected guy in the company. And even then, I could live with that if not for the fact they made the entire build, "No one can stop Braun Strowman," and then had him effortlessly smash seven people at once. It's that combined with his lack of need for it that makes the whole situation so stupid.
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Post by Starshine on Jun 17, 2018 23:11:42 GMT -5
I get the trepidation over how strong he's booked, although I disagree that it's a problem at the moment for reason I've already stated. But could someone please elaborate on this "Braun doesn't need it" thought? I don't understand it. As far as I'm concerned the case is just a prop designed to build intrigue for a potential title match. Out of the options on the table Strowman/Lesnar was the best option. Strowman had a title match with Lesnar just last year after he called Lesnar out. Strowman's a top guy so Angle let it happen, it made sense. He doesn't need the briefcase to call him out again. Another midcard guy on the other hand, say Kofi for example, if he tried the same thing it wouldn't work hence where the briefcase comes in because hey, he's not destroying Reigns like Strowman is so he has the briefcase to throw him into the mix. So in that scenario would Kofi win the belt? We already saw Kofi wrestle Lesnar a year or two ago, and nothing came from it. What difference would that make if he's losing? Isn't it better to make these things count by building up to the match crowds would most likely be into?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 23:13:05 GMT -5
It's at this point that I realize I'm old because I have zero clue what being too OP even means. Overpowered. Which, grammatically speaking, doesn't make sense. You can't have gradations of such a quality. The moment you become more powerful than what is necessary, you are overpowered. You thus cannot have an acceptable amount of "overpoweredness" and go past it into a "too overpowered" status. That prickly little adverb "too".
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 17, 2018 23:13:53 GMT -5
I get the trepidation over how strong he's booked, although I disagree that it's a problem at the moment for reason I've already stated. But could someone please elaborate on this "Braun doesn't need it" thought? I don't understand it. As far as I'm concerned the case is just a prop designed to build intrigue for a potential title match. Out of the options on the table Strowman/Lesnar was the best option. He didn't need it meaning he didn't need that prop to be eligible for a title shot. With how much he's been destroying people he could have easily told Angle I want a title shot against Brock and it would have been done. The briefcase does nothing for him and knowing WWE he probably cashes in on a prone Lesnar instead of a straight up one on one match
A guy like Miz could have used it as his character is a worm who uses every opportunity to get by. Joe intimidating people with the briefcase letting them know he's watching. Finn finally getting his title shot etc..
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Post by RI Richmark on Jun 17, 2018 23:14:04 GMT -5
That man has spammed MissingNo Rare Candys. He's a Mewtwo Level 99 while everyone else is a Pidgy level 5 Like damn bro I literally have no idea what this even means. It's like reading an alien language.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 17, 2018 23:14:41 GMT -5
Strowman had a title match with Lesnar just last year after he called Lesnar out. Strowman's a top guy so Angle let it happen, it made sense. He doesn't need the briefcase to call him out again. Another midcard guy on the other hand, say Kofi for example, if he tried the same thing it wouldn't work hence where the briefcase comes in because hey, he's not destroying Reigns like Strowman is so he has the briefcase to throw him into the mix. So in that scenario would Kofi win the belt? We already saw Kofi wrestle Lesnar a year or two ago, and nothing came from it. What difference would that make if he's losing? Isn't it better to make these things count by building up to the match crowds would most likely be into? Smackdown guys can only challenge for the WWE title, so Kofi would be challenging AJ, and I'm like 99% sure if we got Kofi's ascent up to the main event with Xavier and Big E backing him up it could be magical and the crowd would definitely be into it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 17, 2018 23:15:43 GMT -5
It's at this point that I realize I'm old because I have zero clue what being too OP even means. Overpowered. Which, grammatically speaking, doesn't make sense. You can't have gradations of such a quality. The moment you become more powerful than what is necessary, you are overpowered. You thus cannot have an acceptable amount of "overpoweredness" and go past it into a "too overpowered" status. That prickly little adverb "too".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 23:16:25 GMT -5
Strowman had a title match with Lesnar just last year after he called Lesnar out. Strowman's a top guy so Angle let it happen, it made sense. He doesn't need the briefcase to call him out again. Another midcard guy on the other hand, say Kofi for example, if he tried the same thing it wouldn't work hence where the briefcase comes in because hey, he's not destroying Reigns like Strowman is so he has the briefcase to throw him into the mix. So in that scenario would Kofi win the belt? We already saw Kofi wrestle Lesnar a year or two ago, and nothing came from it. What difference would that make if he's losing? Isn't it better to make these things count by building up to the match crowds would most likely be into? Who knows because chances are if Kofi won the briefcase he would have cashed in after the Reigns match at Summerslam. Lesnar is strong but he's beatable if he gets hit with another finisher after going against Roman "he's the uncrowned champion" Reigns. Not just Kofi but the same goes for if it were Joe, Miz or anyone else in that match. Strowman, given how overpowered he is, is overkill. If not that the winner could cash in in the middle of the Reigns match and do the same thing Reigns did or, honestly, same thing Alexa did. Just beat down Lesnar, cash in and boom he's lost. The biggest key is when the cash in happen because if it's after a Reigns match then it doesn't matter who cashes in. They're likely beating Lesnar given Reigns is supposedly around his level according to the commentators.
Given he's on SDL though he's facing Styles and yeah, Styles ain't getting up after Kofi's finisher after he's had a long grueling match. Styles is durable but he and Kofi are the same "type" of wrestler. Getting hit with Kofi's finisher is the same as someone getting hit with AJ's Forearm.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jun 17, 2018 23:17:02 GMT -5
That man has spammed MissingNo Rare Candys. He's a Mewtwo Level 99 while everyone else is a Pidgy level 5 Like damn bro I literally have no idea what this even means. It's like reading an alien language. It's a Pokémon reference.
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Post by Wrestling Curmudgeon on Jun 17, 2018 23:17:28 GMT -5
Braun is Andre. Braun never needs the title, because how would you take the belt off of him? That's why Andre never had a run with the belt (I'm not counting giving it to DiBiase as a run whatsoever)
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 17, 2018 23:17:41 GMT -5
That man has spammed MissingNo Rare Candys. He's a Mewtwo Level 99 while everyone else is a Pidgy level 5 Like damn bro I literally have no idea what this even means. It's like reading an alien language. A glitch called MissingNo on Pokemon Red and Blue allowed you to make "infinite" number of whatever item you wanted. In most cases people made Rare Candys which level up your pokemon by 1 level
This was a way for you to level up your pokemon without grinding
You got me now?
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 17, 2018 23:17:55 GMT -5
Also can I just say that the idea of "Brock's Reign ends with a MITB cash-in that probably means nobody gets put over in a real match" is so horrible that I actually wish I was still watching WWE so I could re-quit the show if it goes down that way?
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