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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 18, 2018 6:59:01 GMT -5
Nikki was bad, but at least her reign involved a ton of shenanigans
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Post by Doctor No on Jun 18, 2018 7:00:14 GMT -5
Bliss. Her character kills a division with potential. Her and Charlotte are similar but Charlotte at least adds to the division's in ring cred. Bliss kills them in interviews with the whole redundant mean girl character act. Then dominates the matches and doesn't have the in ring ability to elevate her opponent so they can walk away with something even in a loss.
The others were either dealing with weak women's divisions or an obvious political agenda(McCool/Bella) that explained the lunacy.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 18, 2018 7:16:34 GMT -5
I can at least make sense of McCool, Nikki, Charlotte and AJ's reign
I can't really make sense of Alexa besides someone likes her a lot in the back because she's dragged that division way down
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Post by bcdx97 on Jun 18, 2018 11:58:15 GMT -5
I guess this poll was made to complain about Alexa winning again.
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Post by thegame415 on Jun 18, 2018 12:05:07 GMT -5
So, who should get pushed?
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Post by Andy Martin on Jun 18, 2018 12:06:35 GMT -5
Michelle McCool was horrendous.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jun 18, 2018 12:27:29 GMT -5
There should be an all purpose Alexa negativity thread to banish those who want to muck up every women’s division conversation to their own little corner.
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Post by saneiac on Jun 18, 2018 12:27:34 GMT -5
Alexa, only because her reign saw her dominating matches and winning clean 99% of the time, usually after weeks of verbally burying her opponents. And none of the opponents got even at all. Despite alexa being the perfect heel to get her comeuppance from the face, instead burial after burial and none if then truly recovered from. McCool did the same thing, but with worse promos.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 18, 2018 12:31:01 GMT -5
In Order from Most Annoying down to Least :
-Alexa -AJ -Michelle -Nikki -Charlotte -Trish
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Post by Dub H on Jun 18, 2018 12:33:11 GMT -5
And none of the opponents got even at all. Despite alexa being the perfect heel to get her comeuppance from the face, instead burial after burial and none if then truly recovered from. McCool did the same thing, but with worse promos. I think the difference is that back then the woman division was kind of a joke already. Not the case now with all the talent
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Post by crowley1986 on Jun 18, 2018 13:11:44 GMT -5
Voted for Nikki as she's dreadful to watch, Michelle was a chronic Bore and agree with Alexa being overkill
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 18, 2018 13:34:44 GMT -5
From what I've read McCool couldn't get a reaction to save her life and at least the other women were/are over, but i wasn't watching at the time so I can't vote for her. I voted AJ though because while I didn't hate her, I wasn't into the whole crazy chick thing at all. AND THE SKIPPING! Dear God, I hated the skipping. Yeah, McCool was not over... they pushed her as the greatest wrestler of all time but no one gave a shit about her. Charlotte, Nikki, and Alexa are all at least over.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 18, 2018 13:48:48 GMT -5
From what I've read McCool couldn't get a reaction to save her life and at least the other women were/are over, but i wasn't watching at the time so I can't vote for her. I voted AJ though because while I didn't hate her, I wasn't into the whole crazy chick thing at all. AND THE SKIPPING! Dear God, I hated the skipping. Yeah, McCool was not over... they pushed her as the greatest wrestler of all time but no one gave a shit about her. Charlotte, Nikki, and Alexa are all at least over. McCool was over during the Laycool stuff. Of course, they booked Laycool as mean girl heels who never really got their comeuppance..... Man, that sounds familiar
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Jun 18, 2018 13:52:01 GMT -5
Man I knew the Alexa hate was strong, but damn, really guys? At least she's decent in the ring and over with the audience. Same with Nikki. Meanwhile, the McCool superpush might be the most painfully forced I've ever seen in women's wrestling. I was actually there live when she finally turned heel in late 08, and even THAT was awkward and stilted.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 18, 2018 13:59:26 GMT -5
Yeah, McCool was not over... they pushed her as the greatest wrestler of all time but no one gave a shit about her. Charlotte, Nikki, and Alexa are all at least over. McCool was over during the Laycool stuff. Of course, they booked Laycool as mean girl heels who never really got their comeuppance..... Man, that sounds familiar No she really wasn't. Laycool usually came out to crickets, the one time they did was the Mickie feud. Otherwise crickets. Edit: oh and NXT season 2 with Kaval... but NXT doesn't count
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Post by Dat Dude on Jun 18, 2018 14:25:27 GMT -5
I guess this poll was made to complain about Alexa winning again. It was more created to put the current reign of terror in perspective. As bad as it is now, it’s possible it was much worse in the past. But guessing on the current results... maybe not. But IMO McCool was the worst. It lasted for nearly the entirety of her WWE run and it done at the expense of an underrated roster (Beth, Melina, Victoria, Mickie, Nattie, Gail, Fox, Katie Lea, Eve, etc). The only person who came out looking good was Layla (who carried McCool in promos during their laycool run). The only heat they did get was the channel changing kind. Otherwise it was crickets. She even unified the divas and women’s championships to prop her up.
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Post by Shark on Jun 18, 2018 14:37:59 GMT -5
I think some may be misunderstanding some of the problems people are having with Alexa at this point in time. I don't think it's really her. It's how long she's been on top. She got called up 2 years ago. She's been champion nearly her entire main roster career. She was called up in July. The SD women's title was created in September. She was champion by December. Lost it in February, but gained it right back a week later due to Naomi's injury. Lost it at Mania, was on Raw a couple weeks later. Immediately got a title shot and won it. After that she held it the entire rest of the year save for Sasha's 2 week reign. She lost it at Mania this year and is champion again about 10 weeks later. Of the 24 months she's been on the main roster and not counting the time there was no championship on Smackdown, Alexa has held a championship for 19 of those 24 months. That is too much. For anyone. Charlotte suffered from much of the same thing. Almost exactly in fact. Her ratio is very similar.
What WWE needs to learn to do is book the entire division. They only really push whoever the champion is. Yes the champion should be most important, but the WWE writers treat her as the ONLY important woman. Several women can be important, but they only want 1 to be important at a time.
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Post by Cela on Jun 18, 2018 16:08:25 GMT -5
Michelle followed by Nikki, then Charlotte. Was ok with the others.
With Michelle and Nikki, it was because of the implied dating push. Michelle was crap on the mic and passable in the ring, but had an Alexa style dominance push without the physique to back it up. Nikki got better towards the end, but was never worthy of the push, especially for the length when there were more interesting people called up. As for Charlotte, she can't speak and is generally boring in the ring, but the really annoying part was how everything she did was "HISTORIC!" and that she would always win at PPVs. If she wasn't Flair's daughter, she would be nowhere near as pushed as she is.
Guess it all boils down to if the person earned it on their own, or got where they were by dating someone or being related to someone. And honestly, I don't enjoy blatant nepotism.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 18, 2018 16:54:22 GMT -5
McCool was dreadful on her own, but more often than not I actually got entertainment value out of Laycool. Mostly because of Layla. And the women's division was just ass back then anyway. And I actually like Nikki and her Misawa elbows even though that long-ass title reign was mostly a joke, though again, the division was still pretty garbage at that point and was only in the baby steps period of transitioning into a more serious division.
Recency bias makes me want to say Alexa "5'0 Triple H" Bliss, as they're pulling the same shtick they did with previous women's champions, only it's now in a division filled with talented women who deserve their moment to shine instead of serving as transitional champ between Bliss reigns.
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Post by schma on Jun 18, 2018 23:48:02 GMT -5
I actually enjoyed McCool a bit, though I agree that she should not have been as dominant as she was.
I enjoy Nikki's power wrestling style as it's somewhat unique in WWE women's wrestling. The promos and constant alignment changes were definitely against her. That and if she had lost her belt a few months earlier to Sasha or Charlotte, there'd probably be a lot less hate for her run as it went about 6 months past its best before date.
I liked Charlotte but I got tired of her constantly beating everyone. It didn't help that the Raw womens roster was only about 4 people for a good chunk of her reign and the hot potato with Sasha really dragged Sasha down. By the end of Charlotte's reign I wanted her away from the title for a while. She's great but sometimes you need that break.
That's where I'm at with Alexa. I will fully admit that she has some chops when it comes to promos and acting. However, as others have mentioned her promos tend to bury he opponents which would be fine if they could ever beat her or if she had to play dirty to beat them. Instead the vast majority of her matches have her winning clean and dominating a large portion of the match. Someone as small as her physically dominating so many of the women up to and including Charlotte who towers over her is a bit jarring. If she ever got comeuppance a lot of people would still be on board with her. However, she has a history of leaving everyone she feuds with apart from Naomi in a worse spot than they were before running into her. Most of us just wanted a period without a belt on her. Even four or five months and most people would probably be on board with another reign.
So, no I don't think this is just another complain about Alexa with valid issues thread. The question is a good one and the split is relatively even. Yes Alexa's is leading but not by a lot.
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