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Post by Cyno on Jun 15, 2019 23:40:31 GMT -5
Even if Lebron-AD don't mesh and Lebron declines physically next year a team with Prime AD isn't gonna be a sub 30 win team ever .Those 1st round picks they gave up would only ever materialize as potential top of the draft picks if Lakers sign AD to a max contract and he gets a Boogie like or worse injury and is out for an extended period of time and comes back not close to what he was. Not even Those picks don't have to be high end picks to mean anything. This is an asset you no longer have is the main point. Lakers can only replenish the squad through free agency and that can run thin. Teams like Warriors have been able to stay afloat for a while due to drafting well even at the bottom is what i'm saying The pick doesn't have to have a top 10 value to be good value. More so, Lakers are going to have to be smart in how they acquire players and who meshes well. Also add on veterans that may not mesh well You also have an issue that, for whatever reason, a lot of big name free agents aren't exactly eager to team up with Lebron. AD seemed like one of the only ones. There's also the arrogance with the Lakers where they think they're entitled to any big name free agent because of their history when that hasn't really been the case the last few years. If they're smart, they rebuild focusing on depth because beyond Lebron and Davis they don't have much of anything except for Kuzma. And at least get one guy who can complement Lebron's style of play even if he isn't a big name free agent. Yeah, you want to build a "Win Now" team with Lebron because he's on the tail end of his career and we don't know if he can still be that guy who carries bad teams on his back. Even with the Warriors weakened as they are, the West is still pretty tough and not as bad as the East was when Lebron was making them look foolish on the Cavs and the Heat. And as good as AD is, he's not going to be a difference maker by himself.
EDIT: Those unprotected picks. Ouch. The only reason this deal isn't Billy King-esque is because Davis is in the prime in his career vs when Brooklyn got Garnett and Pierce on the tail ends.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 15, 2019 23:41:34 GMT -5
The only thing I will say about AD in the negative (if you want to say its negative) is you dont really know how he we handle having expectations. Yeah he has had more success than either Kyrie or Love did when they got paired with LeBron but he is going to have a different role now. And for the first time he is really going to be scrutinized. Plus again it will all depend on what pieces are around them. I dont care how good Lebron and AD end up being together, you cannot pair 2 players with a bunch of scrubs and expect to win.... and honestly even with a third potential max player and the Warriors injured the West isnt gonna be a cake walk Also for the first time he will really be forced to change his game for someone else. Him and Boogie meshed really well as their games were similar and complimented each other I really do hope hope that they call plays for him and don't delegate him to a offensive rebounder and corner 3 point shooter
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 15, 2019 23:45:38 GMT -5
Not even Those picks don't have to be high end picks to mean anything. This is an asset you no longer have is the main point. Lakers can only replenish the squad through free agency and that can run thin. Teams like Warriors have been able to stay afloat for a while due to drafting well even at the bottom is what i'm saying The pick doesn't have to have a top 10 value to be good value. More so, Lakers are going to have to be smart in how they acquire players and who meshes well. Also add on veterans that may not mesh well You also have an issue that, for whatever reason, a lot of big name free agents aren't exactly eager to team up with Lebron. AD seemed like one of the only ones. There's also the arrogance with the Lakers where they think they're entitled to any big name free agent because of their history when that hasn't really been the case the last few years. If they're smart, they rebuild focusing on depth because beyond Lebron and Davis they don't have much of anything except for Kuzma. And at least get one guy who can complement Lebron's style of play even if he isn't a big name free agent. Yeah, you want to build a "Win Now" team with Lebron because he's on the tail end of his career and we don't know if he can still be that guy who carries bad teams on his back. Even with the Warriors weakened as they are, the West is still pretty tough and not as bad as the East was when Lebron was making them look foolish on the Cavs and the Heat. And as good as AD is, he's not going to be a difference maker by himself.
The allure of winning a ring with LeBron has worn off. People see that they will get majority of the blame and non of the love playing with him. AD wants to and he better be ready to adjust his game because LeBron will not Lakers need shooters, but so does the rest of the league. People aren't going to just gift you shooters and I can't see a player like JJ Reddick signing on the cheap either. Also it may be blasphemous but LeBron is obviously not the same all around player he was. Still an offensive force but his defense is really lacking. They need a rim protector, another PG who can shoot and handle a bit, plus preferably a 3 and D guard not even including the bench which needs shooters.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 15, 2019 23:47:43 GMT -5
We'll really have to see with Lebron if he's in GOAT form with a full offseason or still on the decline. It's a giant question mark with him as he definitely wasn't the same elite player after he came back from that injury. As much as I despise the Lakers, I love Lebron as a player and for what he does off the court.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 23:51:19 GMT -5
We need guards and shooters
Getting our backcourt and depth should be prioritized and hopefully that is understood even for the circus that is our front office.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 15, 2019 23:59:19 GMT -5
We'll really have to see with Lebron if he's in GOAT form with a full offseason or still on the decline. It's a giant question mark with him as he definitely wasn't the same elite player after he came back from that injury. As much as I despise the Lakers, I love Lebron as a player and for what he does off the court. LeBron will come in and be the early season MVP. He's had damn near 3 full months off than regular because no playoffs. He will be in peak physical form. I think he will still be in "decline" but decline for a guy like him still makes him an outrageous player LeBron doesn't have to carry the squad like he used to but he does need to be a little more accessible per se.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jun 16, 2019 0:00:08 GMT -5
Imagine striking out on Free Agency, then spending your remaining assets on CP3 and his contract?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 16, 2019 0:02:11 GMT -5
We need guards and shooters Getting our backcourt and depth should be prioritized and hopefully that is understood even for the circus that is our front office. Lance is not a shooter but i'd consider bringing him back as he now will be a guy who is indeed an X factor off the bench meaning as the potential 8th guy or so
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 16, 2019 0:04:18 GMT -5
Imagine striking out on Free Agency, then spending your remaining assets on CP3 and his contract? If Lakers could get PJ Tucker or Gordon it wouldn't be as bad However, don't expect much more from CP3 than what you got when he was with Harden Houston lost a suiter for CP3 but I still think someone takes him at the right price
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 0:08:52 GMT -5
We'll really have to see with Lebron if he's in GOAT form with a full offseason or still on the decline. It's a giant question mark with him as he definitely wasn't the same elite player after he came back from that injury. As much as I despise the Lakers, I love Lebron as a player and for what he does off the court. LeBron will come in and be the early season MVP. He's had damn near 3 full months off than regular because no playoffs. He will be in peak physical form. I think he will still be in "decline" but decline for a guy like him still makes him an outrageous player LeBron doesn't have to carry the squad like he used to but he does need to be a little more accessible per se. And that is what alot of people are brushing over Lebron is getting months or rest that he probably hasn't had in years and will return to a team that he wont have to fully carry by playing almost 40min a night just to try and drag them to the playoffs. now in a west that is wide open due to the warriors be taken down for atleast a year. whethere anyone believes they are good enough to win the title next season....cannot deny that just having AD and Lebron (short of injuries) is good enough to get to the conference finals even with scrubs around them next season.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 16, 2019 0:13:30 GMT -5
LeBron will come in and be the early season MVP. He's had damn near 3 full months off than regular because no playoffs. He will be in peak physical form. I think he will still be in "decline" but decline for a guy like him still makes him an outrageous player LeBron doesn't have to carry the squad like he used to but he does need to be a little more accessible per se. And that is what alot of people are brushing over Lebron is getting months or rest that he probably hasn't had in years and will return to a team that he wont have to fully carry by playing almost 40min a night just to try and drag them to the playoffs. now in a west that is wide open due to the warriors be taken down for atleast a year. whethere anyone believes they are good enough to win the title next season....cannot deny that just having AD and Lebron (short of injuries) is good enough to get to the conference finals even with scrubs around them next season. Me and one of my boys basically been talking about that since the playoffs started. LeBron with motivation and a full 3 months of rest and training than he hasn't had in years is a scary thought. They are going to need more than AD and LBJ w/ a band of scrubs to get it done in the West but no doubt they are the way too early favorites in the NBA with Warriors broken down next year. Oh course the West is still f***ing tough and it won't be a cakewalk at all but between GS injuries and Houston turmoil the West is open for business
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jun 16, 2019 0:13:49 GMT -5
If both guys stay healthy there’s definitely a playoff run.
But you can’t trust AD to stay healthy and who knows with LeBron and his eventual fight with Father Time... That said I’d guess LBJ plays more games than AD this coming season.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 16, 2019 0:18:58 GMT -5
If both guys stay healthy there’s definitely a playoff run. But you can’t trust AD to stay healthy and who knows with LeBron and his eventual fight with Father Time... That said I’d guess LBJ plays more games than AD this coming season. Lakers have to play it smart AD should not be playing every game and you need to give him rest on certain days. Same thing with LeBron like he was doing a few years back. Oh course they have to get a team that can survive with one or both in lineup on certain days
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 0:28:55 GMT -5
Hopefully Vogle understands he wont need to run ragged either AD or Lebron.
If they get atleast average players around lebron and AD it is gonna be such an easy time for the coach because AD and Lebron are guaranteed to atleast give you 20 and 15 every game....and he would only need 1 most games so he can always rest the other.
Not many teams have such a luxury.
No way in the bluest of hell should AD and Bron ever ever ever log 40min a game or close to it.
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Post by sfvega on Jun 16, 2019 0:32:33 GMT -5
Unprotected in 23, 24, and 25? Good lord, you just traded away almost your entire future. Not just the 2019 and 2021 first, but your first round pick from 2017 and 2016. You'd better build a great team through the FA market, because as much as LeBron defies age, he's gonna be 38 and up in those seasons, and he's also not locked down for those years. If this falls apart, or worse never even comes together right, those '23-'25 picks alone could be worth AD for one season. Maybe more.
Also, gotta wonder why, if the Lakers were willing to give up this package, how this deal didn't get done during the season....
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jun 16, 2019 0:35:17 GMT -5
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jun 16, 2019 0:41:07 GMT -5
Unprotected in 23, 24, and 25? Good lord, you just traded away almost your entire future. Not just the 21 first, but your first round pick from 2017 and 2016. You'd better build a great team through the FA market, because as much as LeBron defies age, he's gonna be 38 and up in those seasons, and he's also not locked down for those years. If this falls apart, or worse never even comes together right, those '23-'25 picks alone could be worth AD for one season. Maybe more. Also, gotta wonder why, if the Lakers were willing to give up this package, how this deal didn't get done during the season.... There was animosity, but also a lack of the 4th pick and Zion.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jun 16, 2019 0:44:12 GMT -5
Somebody was joking about it on Twitter, but imagine if one those unprotected firsts led to the Pelicans drafting Bronny.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 16, 2019 0:44:41 GMT -5
LeBron will come in and be the early season MVP. He's had damn near 3 full months off than regular because no playoffs. He will be in peak physical form. I think he will still be in "decline" but decline for a guy like him still makes him an outrageous player LeBron doesn't have to carry the squad like he used to but he does need to be a little more accessible per se. And that is what alot of people are brushing over Lebron is getting months or rest that he probably hasn't had in years and will return to a team that he wont have to fully carry by playing almost 40min a night just to try and drag them to the playoffs. now in a west that is wide open due to the warriors be taken down for atleast a year. whethere anyone believes they are good enough to win the title next season....cannot deny that just having AD and Lebron (short of injuries) is good enough to get to the conference finals even with scrubs around them next season. Honestly it is tough to say. We don't know how some of the other teams will develop and what will be added. In theory is that enough? Sure. But they need some 3 and D players. Even if LeBron is healthier than he has ever been with a full summer and spring of rest, if you go into the season with the same approach to role players that the Lakers had last year? They will disappoint. That being said, there are some names in free agency that are not max guys who if the Lakers can convince to take the MLE, or at least not overpay, can make the next year or 2 interesting. There are some good 3 and D players in free agency that could be good pieces some would be risky picks, some would be convincing guys to take pay cuts. But the Lakers absolutely CAN build a title contender if they are smart. My fear for them is they will be focused on getting a third max player and then you are banking on UDFAs (and hoping the Lakers staff can find guys like Toronto can) or are banking on older 3 and D players on their last legs. Which I think in past years (especially in the East) you could get away with.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 16, 2019 0:51:18 GMT -5
Unprotected in 23, 24, and 25? Good lord, you just traded away almost your entire future. Not just the 21 first, but your first round pick from 2017 and 2016. You'd better build a great team through the FA market, because as much as LeBron defies age, he's gonna be 38 and up in those seasons, and he's also not locked down for those years. If this falls apart, or worse never even comes together right, those '23-'25 picks alone could be worth AD for one season. Maybe more. Also, gotta wonder why, if the Lakers were willing to give up this package, how this deal didn't get done during the season....Because two new people were at the helm for this trade now Basically the same package Pelicans wanted during the season and they got it now with less leverage per se
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