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Post by Topher is Human on Jul 1, 2018 22:59:59 GMT -5
It was insinuated that Jeff Hardy was found in a stairway after ODing the night before a WWE Title match on PPV. Followed by Matt Hardy burning Jeff Hardy’s house to the ground, killing his dog. They would team up 4 months later.
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Post by ERON on Jul 1, 2018 23:06:42 GMT -5
Johnny Ace main-evented a PPV in 2012.
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Post by Jokaine on Jul 1, 2018 23:12:40 GMT -5
Throw in Daniel Bryan beating John Cena at the previous SummerSlam and the only thing crazier than his run of wins is that there are some people who actually believe that WWE and specifically Vince didn't really want to push Bryan. If Bryan's May 2013 - April 2014 was a reluctant push I'd love to see what an enthusiastic one would have looked like. Probably would have involved a Rumble win instead of a weird Bray Wyatt feud Bryan not only lost, but was supposed to be in long-term before the Yes chant went viral in Actual Sports and Vince realized having the guy behind it walking around like a garbage man in a trance like he's on some bad antidepressants halfway through a "my doctor is having my try different drugs to find which one is right for my brain chemistry" approach to treatment, and something that didn't have to involve a weird convoluted path to course correct because of said Rumble win. Or maybe it would look like the push Roman Reigns has been getting for years, particularly in the spots where they try to play it as Roman vs. the company in a way that screams that they don't actually understand what made the Bryan push work and are just endlessly plugging away at a misunderstood version of things, like someone trying to drunkenly plug their phone into the charger, but instead of the charger it's their cat's tail. Because it feels a lot easier to believe the Bryan thing wasn't planned and happened unexpectedly, and that their misaimed attempts to recapture that lightning in a bottle with Roman have failed due to the fact it wasn't an idea they came up with, than to think that Vince McMahon and a revolving door of writers hired off the street outside of NBC headquarters after the pilot for their fart comedy got rejected are playing four-dimensional chess against their audience. I read all that but it was hard for me to get past the opening point. Bryan "lost" the feud with Bray? Maybe to you. To me the guy who was perched atop a cage basking in the cheers of the loudest non-Austin crowd I've ever heard and who went to Mania a couple months later and beat all of Evolution clean was the winner of the feud. It has always seemed like the entire 13-14 build of Daniel Bryan was strategically done to make him the biggest wrestling star on the planet. Had injuries not hit when they did, it is very likely Bryan would be well on his way to the Austin-Rock-Hogan tier of WWE all-timers.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 1, 2018 23:18:54 GMT -5
Probably would have involved a Rumble win instead of a weird Bray Wyatt feud Bryan not only lost, but was supposed to be in long-term before the Yes chant went viral in Actual Sports and Vince realized having the guy behind it walking around like a garbage man in a trance like he's on some bad antidepressants halfway through a "my doctor is having my try different drugs to find which one is right for my brain chemistry" approach to treatment, and something that didn't have to involve a weird convoluted path to course correct because of said Rumble win. Or maybe it would look like the push Roman Reigns has been getting for years, particularly in the spots where they try to play it as Roman vs. the company in a way that screams that they don't actually understand what made the Bryan push work and are just endlessly plugging away at a misunderstood version of things, like someone trying to drunkenly plug their phone into the charger, but instead of the charger it's their cat's tail. Because it feels a lot easier to believe the Bryan thing wasn't planned and happened unexpectedly, and that their misaimed attempts to recapture that lightning in a bottle with Roman have failed due to the fact it wasn't an idea they came up with, than to think that Vince McMahon and a revolving door of writers hired off the street outside of NBC headquarters after the pilot for their fart comedy got rejected are playing four-dimensional chess against their audience. I read all that but it was hard for me to get past the opening point. Bryan "lost" the feud with Bray? Maybe to you. To me the guy who was perched atop a cage basking in the cheers of the loudest non-Austin crowd I've ever heard and who went to Mania a couple months later and beat all of Evolution clean was the winner of the feud. It has always seemed like the entire 13-14 build of Daniel Bryan was strategically done to make him the biggest wrestling star on the planet. Had injuries not hit when they did, it is very likely Bryan would be well on his way to the Austin-Rock-Hogan tier of WWE all-timers. What are you talking about? Bryan lost the actual match in their feud to Bray at Royal Rumble. The cage was the turn into the third act, and the third act ended with a clean finish of Bryan getting beaten by Bray. Bryan was going to end up getting stuffed by Brock at Summerslam, in the same match Cena ended up having. The plan was Roman as top guy and it was always Roman as top guy. Bryan would have remained a player, but not the top guy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 23:27:04 GMT -5
Del Rio returned and people marked out. Lashley returned and people marked out.
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Post by Jokaine on Jul 1, 2018 23:29:20 GMT -5
I read all that but it was hard for me to get past the opening point. Bryan "lost" the feud with Bray? Maybe to you. To me the guy who was perched atop a cage basking in the cheers of the loudest non-Austin crowd I've ever heard and who went to Mania a couple months later and beat all of Evolution clean was the winner of the feud. It has always seemed like the entire 13-14 build of Daniel Bryan was strategically done to make him the biggest wrestling star on the planet. Had injuries not hit when they did, it is very likely Bryan would be well on his way to the Austin-Rock-Hogan tier of WWE all-timers. What are you talking about? Bryan lost the actual match in their feud to Bray at Royal Rumble. The cage was the turn into the third act, and the third act ended with a clean finish of Bryan getting beaten by Bray. Bryan was going to end up getting stuffed by Brock at Summerslam the next year anyway, in the same match Cena ended up having. The plan was Roman as top guy and it was always Roman as top guy. Bryan would have remained a player, but not the top guy. I'm talking about the most memorable moment of the feud. This is pro wrestling, not a real sport. A feud where two guys come out of it as big or bigger than they both entered is not as simple to evaluate as saying, "Wrestler X won the blowoff so wrestler Y came out a loser." Everything else in your post from a potential SummerSlam loss to Brock to Roman's push to Bryan's fall from the top is nothing more than speculation.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 1, 2018 23:36:19 GMT -5
What are you talking about? Bryan lost the actual match in their feud to Bray at Royal Rumble. The cage was the turn into the third act, and the third act ended with a clean finish of Bryan getting beaten by Bray. Bryan was going to end up getting stuffed by Brock at Summerslam the next year anyway, in the same match Cena ended up having. The plan was Roman as top guy and it was always Roman as top guy. Bryan would have remained a player, but not the top guy. I'm talking about the most memorable moment of the feud. This is pro wrestling, not a real sport. A feud where two guys come out of it as big or bigger than they both entered is not as simple to evaluate as saying, "Wrestler X won the blowoff so wrestler Y came out a loser." Everything else in your post from a potential SummerSlam loss to Brock to Roman's push to Bryan's fall from the top is nothing more than speculation. Okay.
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Post by Jokaine on Jul 1, 2018 23:41:30 GMT -5
I'm talking about the most memorable moment of the feud. This is pro wrestling, not a real sport. A feud where two guys come out of it as big or bigger than they both entered is not as simple to evaluate as saying, "Wrestler X won the blowoff so wrestler Y came out a loser." Everything else in your post from a potential SummerSlam loss to Brock to Roman's push to Bryan's fall from the top is nothing more than speculation. Okay. Are you going to explain to me how a twitter post, four years after the fact, from the same guy who named dropped Viscera as a rumored third man of the NWO moves your comment from speculation to fact?
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jul 1, 2018 23:41:59 GMT -5
Are you going to explain to me how a twitter post, four years after the fact, from the same guy who named dropped Viscera as a rumored third man of the NWO moves your comment from speculation to fact? You know what? No, I'm not. Connect the dots yourself, have fun with it.
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Post by Jokaine on Jul 1, 2018 23:49:05 GMT -5
Are you going to explain to me how a twitter post, four years after the fact, from the same guy who named dropped Viscera as a rumored third man of the NWO moves your comment from speculation to fact? You know what? No, I'm not. Connect the dots yourself, have fun with it. Is it that hard to admit that what you said is speculation? When I mentioned the possibility of Bryan rising to Austin and Rock levels I clearly stated it as a possibility, not as a set-in-stone vision of the future. It was speculation, the same as your comments about what the future would have held had Bryan never gotten hurt. In your opinion, if WWE had no long-term plans for Bryan as the guy on top, why did the company go to such lengths to put him over as the far-and-away best wrestler in the company prior to his injury?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 2, 2018 7:32:59 GMT -5
I remember a few years back, when Bayley was in NXT, folks discussing her like she'd rival or surpass Cena in popularity and merch sales once she hit the main roster. I was one of those people! I'm still bitter they didn't manage it. If Bryan's May 2013 - April 2014 was a reluctant push I'd love to see what an enthusiastic one would have looked like. I'm sure I said at the time that this was bound to happen, but living this storyline week-to-week it was DEFINITELY a reluctant push. The treatment of Bryan post-injury showed that. Bryan being pushed they were definitely enthusiastic about, but not pushed to the main event title match. Del Rio returned and people marked out. Lashley returned and people marked out. Man, sometimes hindsight makes things weird QUICKLY.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 2, 2018 7:59:38 GMT -5
In your opinion, if WWE had no long-term plans for Bryan as the guy on top, why did the company go to such lengths to put him over as the far-and-away best wrestler in the company prior to his injury? Same reason any guy who is not The Guy gets pushed hard. To help get The Guy more over.
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Post by Tenshigure on Jul 2, 2018 8:01:42 GMT -5
Two that quickly spring to mind, and from very different eras: First, the obvious crazy moment of 2017 (no explanation needed)... ***** Second, it's not THIS that is the craziest part (since this was just another day in the Attitude Era). No, it's THIS that's the crazy part: They brought in none other than John Bobbitt, who for you younglings of the FAN community is a guy who made national headlines after his wife cut off his penis while he was sleeping to REALLY sell that the above actually happened.
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Post by Jokaine on Jul 2, 2018 9:07:17 GMT -5
If Bryan's May 2013 - April 2014 was a reluctant push I'd love to see what an enthusiastic one would have looked like. I'm sure I said at the time that this was bound to happen, but living this storyline week-to-week it was DEFINITELY a reluctant push. The treatment of Bryan post-injury showed that. Bryan being pushed they were definitely enthusiastic about, but not pushed to the main event title. I guess I see the whole Bryan-Authority angle through different eyes. Had it not been so easy to see what the end result was going to be (Bryan triumphing at Mania over everyone who had wronged him) maybe I would believe that this was a case of WWE being forced into some creative corner. Sort of like Vince winning the Runble in 1999, I knew the end result was going to be Austin triumphing at Mania. The only question was how they were going to go about getting him to the main event.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 2, 2018 9:33:38 GMT -5
I'm sure I said at the time that this was bound to happen, but living this storyline week-to-week it was DEFINITELY a reluctant push. The treatment of Bryan post-injury showed that. Bryan being pushed they were definitely enthusiastic about, but not pushed to the main event title. I guess I see the whole Bryan-Authority angle through different eyes. Had it not been so easy to see what the end result was going to be (Bryan triumphing at Mania over everyone who had wronged him) maybe I would believe that this was a case of WWE being forced into some creative corner. Sort of like Vince winning the Runble in 1999, I knew the end result was going to be Austin triumphing at Mania. The only question was how they were going to go about getting him to the main event. Just so I know what perspective we are debating from: were you watching at the time?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 2, 2018 10:05:17 GMT -5
To add to the Bryan discussion, Batista confirmed on his first Talk is Jericho appearance that he was brought back to headline 'Mania vs. Orton but pushed hard to turn heel and get Bryan into the match because he didn't understand or agree with the decision to bring him back as an all-conquering babyface when Bryan was right there.
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Post by Jokaine on Jul 2, 2018 10:28:31 GMT -5
I guess I see the whole Bryan-Authority angle through different eyes. Had it not been so easy to see what the end result was going to be (Bryan triumphing at Mania over everyone who had wronged him) maybe I would believe that this was a case of WWE being forced into some creative corner. Sort of like Vince winning the Runble in 1999, I knew the end result was going to be Austin triumphing at Mania. The only question was how they were going to go about getting him to the main event. Just so I know what perspective we are debating from: were you watching at the time? Yes, I was.
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Post by Chris the Bambikiller on Jul 2, 2018 11:31:28 GMT -5
Del Rio returned and people marked out. I would mark out if he returned now. Yeah, I get it, it's better for everyone involved if he never gets hired by WWE again, he's a terrible human being and not the most versatile wrestler around. But man, was he entertaining. Even if he didn't have to do a lot of acting to portray a huge a-hole. The cars. The entrance music. Rodriguez. With Ambrose gone for so long, I really feel we have enough excellent wrestlers now but not enough entertainers. Anyway, sorry for OT. Perro.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jul 2, 2018 11:36:03 GMT -5
To add to the Bryan discussion, Batista confirmed on his first Talk is Jericho appearance that he was brought back to headline 'Mania vs. Orton but pushed hard to turn heel and get Bryan into the match because he didn't understand or agree with the decision to bring him back as an all-conquering babyface when Bryan was right there. Vince: "Dave, we want to make you the biggest babyface of all time dammit!" Dave: "But, Daniel Bryan is right there, he'll still be here for months to come..." Vince: "I'm done with you forever."
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 2, 2018 11:46:25 GMT -5
To add to the Bryan discussion, Batista confirmed on his first Talk is Jericho appearance that he was brought back to headline 'Mania vs. Orton but pushed hard to turn heel and get Bryan into the match because he didn't understand or agree with the decision to bring him back as an all-conquering babyface when Bryan was right there. Vince: "Dave, we want to make you the biggest babyface of all time dammit!" Dave: "But, Daniel Bryan is right there, he'll still be here for months to come..." Vince: "I'm done with you forever." It actually feels like that given the news that Batista wants to come back again and WWE want nothing to do with him. I wonder if Vince actually blames Big Dave for Bryan "hijacking" the main event?
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