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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jul 2, 2018 8:26:15 GMT -5
The never ending feud has come to FAN!!!
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Post by willywonka666 on Jul 2, 2018 8:41:09 GMT -5
Well, Rick was a world champion, so going by that, I'd give him the edge. I like Tito, and being in the WWF for such a long time, his name is more familiar to casual fans, but honestly, I'm surprised he was around for so long, even changing his gimmick so late in his run.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jul 2, 2018 19:28:14 GMT -5
Career? Martel, hands down. Tito had a greater and wider exposure due to being in the WWF for the crucial WM1-WM3 years, in terms of actual career accomplishments, I have to go with Martel.
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Post by bitteroldman on Jul 2, 2018 20:03:01 GMT -5
No knock on Santana but Martel was a World Champ in the AWA when it still meant something. Martel worked with Flair, Bockwinkel, and Hansen all top guys and could work effectively as a face or a heel.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jul 3, 2018 12:11:01 GMT -5
Rick Martel was the first heel I cheered.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Jul 3, 2018 13:01:53 GMT -5
Martel held belts in the WWF, WCW and AWA. He was a champion in all of the big three which is a rare accomplishment. He was also a world champion. He also held multiple tag team titles with Roddy Piper earlier in his career. While it’s impressive that Santana was in the WWF since 1906 and had some great IC title feuds Martel made a bigger overall impression. Especially when you compare “The Model” and “El Matador” gimmicks.
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Post by Squirrel Master on Jul 3, 2018 13:14:00 GMT -5
Tough call... I say Martel.
I was seated at ringside during Martel's submission loss of the AWA World Title to Stan Hansen.
I also witnessed live Tito Santana and Bruno Sammartino versus Randy Savage and Adrian Adonis in the steel cage.
These are top guys we are talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 13:17:16 GMT -5
Martel.
He actually won matches at WrestleMania.
Statistically speaking, Tito is the worst performer at WrestleMania to have won at least one match.
And, I know this sounds strange, but I have mentioned this before about that stupid sombrero on his trunks.
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Post by tms on Jul 4, 2018 10:11:47 GMT -5
I remember when Martel came to WCW as a face around '98 he looked like he could easily hang with the main event talent. Dude wad in fantastic shape and was OVER, and his spinebuster to Boston Crab combo was awesome. Tito was a fantastic athlete for his era but I have to give Rick the edge.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jul 4, 2018 20:48:54 GMT -5
Pre-Strike Force Martel was a former World Champion in the AWA, but he probably shouldn't have been. Around the same time Santana had a hot run with his feud with Greg Valentine, but otherwise his IC Title run was pretty forgettable.
After Strike Force broke up Martel became "The Model" and was usually portrayed as a solid mid-card threat, but never really a title contender. Santana became "El Matador" and was a pretty consistent jobber.
Yeah, in the end I'd give Martel the slight edge.
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Post by bitteroldman on Jul 5, 2018 4:30:09 GMT -5
Pre-Strike Force Martel was a former World Champion in the AWA, but he probably shouldn't have been. Around the same time Santana had a hot run with his feud with Greg Valentine, but otherwise his IC Title run was pretty forgettable. After Strike Force broke up Martel became "The Model" and was usually portrayed as a solid mid-card threat, but never really a title contender. Santana became "El Matador" and was a pretty consistent jobber. Yeah, in the end I'd give Martel the slight edge. Curious as to why you think Martel should not have been the AWA World champ? |
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jul 5, 2018 11:03:50 GMT -5
I remember Santana losing Yo Andre the Giant in a 2 on 1 handicap squash on Superstars so is bottom is lower and his top isn't as high.
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Post by corndog on Jul 5, 2018 12:19:23 GMT -5
I remember when Martel came to WCW as a face around '98 he looked like he could easily hang with the main event talent. Dude wad in fantastic shape and was OVER, and his spinebuster to Boston Crab combo was awesome. Tito was a fantastic athlete for his era but I have to give Rick the edge. I loved his matches with Booker T. Martel was still a very good worker even late into his career. Back to the topic, Tito was a JTTS almost his entire WWE run, outside of his time as IC champion. During Martel's second run with the WWE, he would actually win ppv matches and his booking was as a solid upper midcarder who was believable against his opponents. |
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Jul 5, 2018 12:22:53 GMT -5
Tito was ECW Champion in 1993, so he has won a major title outside WWF.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Jul 5, 2018 13:30:52 GMT -5
I like Tito, but Martel easily. He has more accomplishments in more promotions. He was a great heel and I'll even throw in the hot take that Martel was a better babyface than Tito was too.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jul 5, 2018 15:27:37 GMT -5
Pre-Strike Force Martel was a former World Champion in the AWA, but he probably shouldn't have been. Around the same time Santana had a hot run with his feud with Greg Valentine, but otherwise his IC Title run was pretty forgettable. After Strike Force broke up Martel became "The Model" and was usually portrayed as a solid mid-card threat, but never really a title contender. Santana became "El Matador" and was a pretty consistent jobber. Yeah, in the end I'd give Martel the slight edge. Curious as to why you think Martel should not have been the AWA World champ? Well I won't lie, I was not watching AWA or really all that familiar with it during his title reign. But I was always under the impression that the general opinion of the time was that Martel was just a bit too bland and unremarkable to really carry a company as World Champ, especially compared to what Hogan and Flair were doing at the time. Everything I saw of him since where he really felt like a "mid-carder for life" pretty much backed that up for me. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 5, 2018 16:42:32 GMT -5
Depends on your criteria. Kayfabe accomplishments is clearly Martel. Mainstream recognition clearly Tito.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jul 5, 2018 19:40:55 GMT -5
Pre-Strike Force Martel was a former World Champion in the AWA, but he probably shouldn't have been. Around the same time Santana had a hot run with his feud with Greg Valentine, but otherwise his IC Title run was pretty forgettable. After Strike Force broke up Martel became "The Model" and was usually portrayed as a solid mid-card threat, but never really a title contender. Santana became "El Matador" and was a pretty consistent jobber. Yeah, in the end I'd give Martel the slight edge. Pre-Strike Force Martel was also a former two-time WWF tag champ and at one point was carrying gold in two different territories (Vancouver, Portland) concurrently. Post-Strike Force, he was captaining his own Survivor Series teams. Tito was ECW Champion in 1993, so he has won a major title outside WWF. It wasn't major at the time and a lot of people don't even consider it the same title. |
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Post by bitteroldman on Jul 7, 2018 2:52:27 GMT -5
Curious as to why you think Martel should not have been the AWA World champ? Well I won't lie, I was not watching AWA or really all that familiar with it during his title reign. But I was always under the impression that the general opinion of the time was that Martel was just a bit too bland and unremarkable to really carry a company as World Champ, especially compared to what Hogan and Flair were doing at the time. Everything I saw of him since where he really felt like a "mid-carder for life" pretty much backed that up for me. I understand where the criticism is coming from but you're comparing him to two guys who cut promo's for the ages. Compare Martel to say Backland or Bruno as far as promo's and he's on their level, in my opinion. |
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jul 7, 2018 4:22:06 GMT -5
Well I won't lie, I was not watching AWA or really all that familiar with it during his title reign. But I was always under the impression that the general opinion of the time was that Martel was just a bit too bland and unremarkable to really carry a company as World Champ, especially compared to what Hogan and Flair were doing at the time. Everything I saw of him since where he really felt like a "mid-carder for life" pretty much backed that up for me. I understand where the criticism is coming from but you're comparing him to two guys who cut promo's for the ages. Compare Martel to say Backland or Bruno as far as promo's and he's on their level, in my opinion. Maybe, but the time of guys like Bruno and Backlund had passed. |
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