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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Aug 26, 2019 18:06:33 GMT -5
The only thing people remember from Rogue One is the final scene with Vader eviscerating the Rebel troops And the GIF editing Vader out, replacing him with Vince McMahon.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 26, 2019 18:09:42 GMT -5
The only thing that hurts Rogue One IMO is that it didn't really NEED to be a movie. It's not as superfluous as Solo was, but it definitely wasn't necessary.
Other than that, the acting, Rebels cameos, seeing a freakin' Old Republic-style Hammerhead ship on the big screen, action setpieces, Vader's straight up murdering Rebel scum, music, and a lot of other stuff about the movie really resonated with me. It's my favorite Star Wars movie after the original trilogy because it was just a really enjoyable movie beginning to end.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 26, 2019 18:19:41 GMT -5
I really liked the CGI Tarkin, too. It creeped me out, but it wasn't an uncanny valley feeling for me either. The Leia one, I think I would've reacted to it better if Carrie Fisher didn't die a couple weeks after R1 came out. It was just really bad timing. I'll put CGI Tarkin up there with Gollum. Really damn good considering the technological challenges, though as was mentioned earlier, as technology improves it'll look a little less impressive. I think part of why Leia looks worse is because it's in a brightly-lot room. CGI animators often talk about how lower light and more depth of shadows makes animating something that is supposed to be photo-realistic a lot easier. Leia clad in all-white in a stark white room under bright lights really just served to highlight that the technology isn't quite fully there yet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 18:54:25 GMT -5
They have no idea what they are doing. This trilogy so far has been a directionless mess. I might argue that there's a plan, one that Last Jedi did nothing to contribute to (from a certain point of view), but between the movies and the books and comics and even Rebels......there might be something here. io9.gizmodo.com/what-palpatine-left-behind-1834054363(a 4 month old article, but revealing if you're not up on non-movie things) The movies should stand on their own. I don’t want to read a comic or watch a cartoon to understand something. The extended media should enhance the story not explain it. If I had to watch Agents of Shield to understand something in End Game. I’d given up on the MCU years ago. A casual viewer of Star Wars like me still doesn’t fully understand who and how big the Dark Order is and why there’s a need of a Resistance and we’re two freaking movies in.
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Post by adamclark52 on Aug 26, 2019 20:09:22 GMT -5
I’d still like to know what they’re fighting over
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Post by the2ndevil on Aug 26, 2019 20:21:05 GMT -5
The only thing people remember from Rogue One is the final scene with Vader eviscerating the Rebel troops And the GIF editing Vader out, replacing him with Vince McMahon. .... I need to see this.
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Post by Push R Truth on Aug 26, 2019 20:25:47 GMT -5
And the GIF editing Vader out, replacing him with Vince McMahon. .... I need to see this.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 26, 2019 21:03:28 GMT -5
I’d still like to know what they’re fighting over Yeah, we've talked about this before here since Force Awakens came out, but reverting to an Empire/Rebels style conflict without first giving any real look at, explanation of, or experience of what the galaxy is like under the New Republic was just such a strange choice to me. Fans had been waiting 30+ years to see how the ragtag rebellion reshaped the galaxy post-Palpatine, but instead of exploring that we got a very unclear scene where the entire New Republic blows up, and that's about it. I mean, if they eventually wanted to revert to Empire vs. Rebels by building the First Order up (who are they? What do they stand for? Where did it come from? What makes them a massive threat?) and then having something cataclysmic happen, but just changing "Rebellion" to "Resistance" doesn't do much to change the perception that you're just repeating what came before, but without any clear direction in mind.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 26, 2019 21:07:54 GMT -5
Holy shit, that's amazing.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Aug 26, 2019 21:19:33 GMT -5
I’d still like to know what they’re fighting over Yeah, we've talked about this before here since Force Awakens came out, but reverting to an Empire/Rebels style conflict without first giving any real look at, explanation of, or experience of what the galaxy is like under the New Republic was just such a strange choice to me. Fans had been waiting 30+ years to see how the ragtag rebellion reshaped the galaxy post-Palpatine, but instead of exploring that we got a very unclear scene where the entire New Republic blows up, and that's about it. I mean, if they eventually wanted to revert to Empire vs. Rebels by building the First Order up (who are they? What do they stand for? Where did it come from? What makes them a massive threat?) and then having something cataclysmic happen, but just changing "Rebellion" to "Resistance" doesn't do much to change the perception that you're just repeating what came before, but without any clear direction in mind. And the kicker was they tossed what was apparently one of the major early conflicts in this new war/next chapter of the previous war into the first Battlefront game EA made, which, I’m not entirely sure most people who even got that game even saw because apparently the campaign was kinda bleh? As much as I love Rogue One, I kinda feel like they could have used its slot to have a film explaining the gap between the two trilogies.
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 26, 2019 21:35:17 GMT -5
It's because there was basically zero script thought put into this series. Let's not beat around the bush here. Everything was there to riff on nostalgia and present concepts that everyone had seen in the original movies. So let's just do Empire 2.0 and Rebels 2.0, without any rationale for why any of this is happening. I'm still utterly amazed Force Awakens was so critically praised since it was so clearly, obviously a badly written film full of mediocre characters.
I think in a way this is why newer markets for SW like China have totally rejected the series. If you've never seen Star Wars before (or maybe have on bootlegs or whatever) would this new series really be something that would actually make you a fan? I said this when Aquaman came out, that it was a film that looked like a wildly modern blockbuster, whereas the recent Star Wars movies look like something that would have come out circa 1986 after the original trilogy. American viewers familiar with this get what they are doing, whereas overseas viewers might find it dated and visually unspectacular.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Aug 26, 2019 22:09:09 GMT -5
Whatever hype I had this for died once I saw the first trailer. I'll still watch it to give it a chance but it's clear they're reverting back to the familiar because Last Jedi was divisive as hell. I get that it was, but as someone who enjoyed that it was trying to do something different this just seems like desperation. It's an indictment that there was apparently no road map for these movies.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Aug 27, 2019 2:06:54 GMT -5
It's incredibly fascinating to me that as we near the end of this trilogy the fandom is so heavily divided much the same way it was going into Revenge of the Sith, right down to the nay sayers feeling like they're more partaking in a funeral dirge than anything.
For the prequels, I was right there too. I went to see RotS out of commitment more than anything. This twisted sense of "Well, I should see this through to the end". Star Wars felt as mangled as Anakin was by the end of the movie. I really wondered as the credits rolled if Star Wars was "dead", in the sense that there would never be another movie installment. I knew the EU would continue on. I figured some shows may happen.
But with the sequel trilogy, I'm on the other side of this. I thought Force Awakens was okay, I liked the Last Jedi, and I'm curious where this one is going. I'm curious too where Star Wars goes from here as a whole, if they're going to keep to their word and keep working on movies and what those movies could produce and where the Disney+ shows may take the franchise. And I really just can't relate to people that come across like doomsayers and old men when they say Star Wars is dead.
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Post by Raskovnik on Aug 27, 2019 2:16:57 GMT -5
The Force Awakens was some of the most fun I've ever had in a theater, though I was watching it with my best friend and Finn and Poe were our self-inserts which made it a blast. I also adored The Last Hedi and never quite understood the vitriol aimed at it though it certainly has its issues. So from that perspective I'm really looking forward to this one. The Star Wars Stories though...Rogue One was passable but I can't even tell you the name of most of the characters, which is a massive failing on its part, so when everyone started dropping like flies it was really hard to care even though the actual actors did fine work. I haven't seen Solo yet and I'm not convinced it actually exists because I haven't met anyone else who has either.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 27, 2019 2:43:51 GMT -5
I haven't seen Solo yet and I'm not convinced it actually exists because I haven't met anyone else who has either. Solo is better than it has any right to be, and Glover is excellent as Lando, but it really serves no purpose. Catch it if it's ever on TV, but don't go out of your way.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Aug 27, 2019 2:54:41 GMT -5
I haven't seen Solo yet and I'm not convinced it actually exists because I haven't met anyone else who has either. Solo is better than it has any right to be, and Glover is excellent as Lando, but it really serves no purpose. Catch it if it's ever on TV, but don't go out of your way. Pretty much my assessment too. Even during arguably the climax of the movie that I rolled my eyes hard at them doing (the Kessel Run), they still managed to find a way to make it fun and interesting to watch. {Spoiler}By way of essentially sticking an eldritch horror into a Star Wars movie which is something I never thought I'd see.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 27, 2019 3:29:41 GMT -5
Solo is better than it has any right to be, and Glover is excellent as Lando, but it really serves no purpose. Catch it if it's ever on TV, but don't go out of your way. Pretty much my assessment too. Even during arguably the climax of the movie that I rolled my eyes hard at them doing (the Kessel Run), they still managed to find a way to make it fun and interesting to watch. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}By way of essentially sticking an eldritch horror into a Star Wars movie which is something I never thought I'd see. To me Solo is the movie equivalent of one of the early EU novels, before they settled into an overarching story.
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Post by thechase on Aug 27, 2019 3:42:21 GMT -5
I hated The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi was a marked improvement to that, so I hope Abrams has learned a few things from it and won't ignore it outright.
I don't think people who claim Star Wars is "dead" are old men, that's just crass and unnecessary ageism. I don't think the franchise has been handled well by Disney, and there's nothing wrong with pointing that out.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Aug 27, 2019 4:04:17 GMT -5
I hated The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi was a marked improvement to that, so I hope Abrams has learned a few things from it and won't ignore it outright. I don't think people who claim Star Wars is "dead" are old men, that's just crass and unnecessary ageism. I don't think the franchise has been handled well by Disney, and there's nothing wrong with pointing that out. I wouldn't say it's crass or unnecessary ageism, so much as implying someone that's set in their ways. It is a common expression to say someone sounds like or is acting like an old man when they express an opinion or view that may come across as archaic (like some people that have not liked modern Star Wars definitely come across as). Obviously not every old man is the same or even this way, to think so is ludicrous and taking a comment far too seriously and literally. It'd be like taking offense to someone using the term "dude" loosely and trying to say they're being sexist for calling someone of non-male persuasion dude.
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Post by Doctor No on Aug 27, 2019 5:22:23 GMT -5
I’d still like to know what they’re fighting over The meaninglessness of war, that’s so deep. It really makes you think...
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