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Post by James Fabiano on Aug 26, 2019 13:31:04 GMT -5
I’d be willing to bet my years’ salary that the whole “Evil Rey” thing is nothing more than a dream sequence in the movie itself, but it’s being played up as something significant in the teasers to get people talking. I said the exact same thing. Something about it just looks like a dream sequence. Could this also be the only place where Palpatine's "return" exists? Unless, as others said, RLM is right...
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Post by James Fabiano on Aug 26, 2019 13:32:31 GMT -5
Man, give me endless trade discussion debates and "I like the water" over anything the sequel trilogy has done. I'm dead serious. I'd rather watch an entire movie based on the Casino Planet parts on TLJ than any of the prequels. Which is funny because I pointed at the CP as something RIGHT OUT OF THE PREQUELS. You know, "LOL this is a galaxy far far away but look how they have Earth things"
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Post by Jiren on Aug 26, 2019 13:36:51 GMT -5
But enough about the prequels. Man, give me endless trade discussion debates and "I like the water" over anything the sequel trilogy has done. I'm dead serious. I'd rather watch the friggin holiday special than any of the sequel trilogy. At least I can laugh at most of it's awfulness. Rey's lightsaber look bloody silly
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Post by Cyno on Aug 26, 2019 13:38:00 GMT -5
I need more of Rey with the double-bladed red saber. Hook that shit into my veins.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 26, 2019 13:58:04 GMT -5
Oh God, please don't let the Red Letter Media video be that accurate. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Basically that we'd get a straight-up Endgame situation with time travel and shit. If it's what I think it could be..... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}RLM and Mike may've been THAT accurate.
World Between Worlds?
(But I don't think they knew it'd be accurate, the comment was made in jest re: Endgame, and not something SW actually has sorta set up) Listening to the Star Wars Minute podcast talk about it a year ago, there was a sequel trilogy idea out there at some point years ago - it involved Leia NOT being Luke's sister, the Emperor surviving ROTJ, and Luke going after him in a dual search for his real sibling; so obviously, changes made to ROTJ (oh, what changes) made sequels more out of the question. Part of my anticipation for The Rise of Skywalker is that this will basically be my end for Star Wars; that everything I've seen involving Star Wars on the fandom side (and even some creatives) has become so rancid and obnoxious that I just want out and that I'm willing to see it to the end and then be done with it all. Let Disney do whatever with it, but the Saga ending will hopefully make letting go of it all so much easier. Sad it's come to that, but fandom (plus getting older and getting generally tired of most things I have always liked) kinda calls for it.. Yeah, it's funny, but as a kid I wanted more and more Star Wars content, hence my buying up so many expanded universe books, Rogue Squadron and other video games, all that stuff of wildly varying quality, but as an adult it's just so numbing at this point. Obviously part of that is just getting older, having new priorities and interests and blah blah blah, but I guess now that all of the expanded stuff is so much more "official" than it was in the 90s it just kind of feels like it's too much, like Star Wars wasn't really meant for this. It sounds selfish on my part, I realize: "having a bunch of extra Star Wars content is fine while I'M young and into it and when it feels more secretive, but not now that I'm older and it's all so much more accessible!", or at least it could easily come off that way. But it just hit home when looking back at the prequels and sequels: there's really no need for any of these stories to be told. Maybe a need could be found, but they're not finding them. Rogue One, for example, wasn't a bad film by any means, but why was it made beyond "we think we can make money showing you how the Rebellion got the Death Star plans"? It didn't have a really resonant or timely message or memorable characters, it just seemed to offer something that executives figured fans would want to see depicted. I'd argue a huge reason Solo didn't work was because it was making storylines out of throwaway lines from A New Hope because "fans will want to know about the Kessel Run!"... who gives a steaming shit about the Kessel Run?! It was a line put in so that Han could brag about his "piece of junk" ship and say she "has it where it counts", not some major character moment necessary to understand who Han Solo is. We already know who Han is, it's established within his first five minutes on screen in A New Hope. The original film was of its time and culture; any new Star Wars material should try to be that, as well, but it just doesn't feel that way, it just feels like we keep going back to the same original well. Ultimately, though, that's part of the problem with obsessive fandom, isn't it? We want to know everything, we want everything shown to us, we don't want any potential source for stories left untapped, even if in the process we drain a lot of the mystery and the fun out of the proceedings. The game Undertale does a great job in analyzing this tendency via its Genocide Run game path: at a certain point, are we even enjoying ourselves anymore, or just looking for more content for the sake of having more content?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 14:54:06 GMT -5
I don't think I'm going to see Rise of Skywalker honestly, or at least in theaters. I didn't dislike the other two movies, but I really only saw them for the midnight experience (and Last Jedi had a lot less people at it for me than Force Awakens so didn't really get that out of it) and the story arc just isn't interesting enough for me to turn out to see the conclusion.
Which I put mostly on Last Jedi - while I thought it was a decent watch, I didn't come out of it really wanting to see how the storyline's going to conclude if only because of how much it just tossed a bunch of lingering hooks aside to bring everything back around to Rey vs. Kylo Ren Round 3.
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Post by chrom on Aug 26, 2019 14:59:24 GMT -5
The only thing people remember from Rogue One is the final scene with Vader eviscerating the Rebel troops
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Post by Jiren on Aug 26, 2019 15:13:32 GMT -5
The only thing people remember from Rogue One is the final scene with Vader eviscerating the Rebel troops And the terrible CGI Grand Moff Tarkin
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 26, 2019 15:15:58 GMT -5
The only thing people remember from Rogue One is the final scene with Vader eviscerating the Rebel troops And the terrible CGI Grand Moff Tarkin Tarkin was an excellent piece of CGI trickery. The Leia... not so much.
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Post by Jiren on Aug 26, 2019 15:16:43 GMT -5
And the terrible CGI Grand Moff Tarkin Tarkin was an excellent piece of CGI trickery.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 26, 2019 15:18:08 GMT -5
Nah, the Tarkin effect was really good; maybe it won't age well as such tech gets better, but as unsettling as the idea of it was, in execution it was carried off well.
But yeah, the rest of the film, eh...the snarky droid was fun, the final couple of scenes were brutal, but a lot of the rest was pretty forgettable.
But, hey! Jimmy Smitts was there!
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Post by Push R Truth on Aug 26, 2019 15:20:47 GMT -5
Tarkin was an excellent piece of CGI trickery. I don't get the Tarkin CGI hate. About 80% of it was great. There was some strange motion during a walk and they probably should not have done that one extreme close up. Otherwise it was the most minor of issues the movie had.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Aug 26, 2019 15:22:51 GMT -5
I’m...honestly not a fan of Dark Side Rey.
The whole look, with the really, really god damn stupid foldout saber, just gives this massive tryhard Edgy McEdgerton vibe to me. It’s actually one of the silliest visuals I’ve seen in the canon of the films.
And I really don’t like her saber. Like I love Maul’s double blade saber, and I love them doing creative things with the lightsaber technology, but that’s just jank.
The weirdest thing is, they’ve done none-Maul double sabers before, even with the whole “start as two but can be combined to one” thing. Like with Asajj Ventress’ amazingly badass curved hilt sabers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 15:32:56 GMT -5
Yeah, it's funny, but as a kid I wanted more and more Star Wars content, hence my buying up so many expanded universe books, Rogue Squadron and other video games, all that stuff of wildly varying quality, but as an adult it's just so numbing at this point. Obviously part of that is just getting older, having new priorities and interests and blah blah blah, but I guess now that all of the expanded stuff is so much more "official" than it was in the 90s it just kind of feels like it's too much, like Star Wars wasn't really meant for this. It sounds selfish on my part, I realize: "having a bunch of extra Star Wars content is fine while I'M young and into it and when it feels more secretive, but not now that I'm older and it's all so much more accessible!", or at least it could easily come off that way. I absolutely share that desire for "more Star Wars! More! MORE!!" when I was younger, since I directly lived thru that 1983-1991 drought; and even when there was content, it was little. I hadn't gotten into comics yet, I had other newer interests that far outweighed Star Wars material, and I was a kid who didn't know better. Now I'm older, I've read too many comics and am always looking to lessen that addiction, many of my other interests are waining greatly, and I'm an adult who should know better. It actually changes things to know it IS official now, not totally for the best (though in this TROS case, it's....interesting, at least until the theorizing ends and the movie & its reasoning exist). Expanded universe stuff felt official back then. It wasn't, though during the prequels some stuff was moreorless officialized, but it seemed like it mattered. The EU reset was, for the most part, fine - oh, a lot of junk was done away with - but the idea of knowing all that stuff I invested time and money and energy in was just dismissed was what bummed me out the most. No time or care to invest that energy into the new stuff; I used to be on Wookieepedia all the time; nowadays.....it's been a long time actually. Plus I'm aware this is all pointless in the larger adult world scheme of things, and that if I don't like something I can TRULY ignore it. Adding Star Wars to my pile of indifference stinks. But it is what it is. But, hey! Jimmy Smitts was there! And literally everything he said was a callback. His final canonical appearance (unless we're getting a movie about Alderaan's last day) was PURE fan service in both appearance and dialogue. But srsly, loved CGI Tarkin. Rogue One really was the only Disney movie I've loved so far. TFA was good, TLJ.....problematic, but I watch (parts of) it more often than TFA so that means something, and Solo is just there - not great, not terrible, just there ..... a Star Wars movie just 'existing' means a larger problem exists, IMO.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Aug 26, 2019 16:50:21 GMT -5
Welp. That’s it. Can’t even remotely take the saber design seriously ever again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 16:55:50 GMT -5
I can’t agree with the notion that the prequels are better than the Disney movies.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Aug 26, 2019 17:46:30 GMT -5
I can’t agree with the notion that the prequels are better than the Disney movies. Shit’s subjective but it is hard considering the abysmal level of acting/directing throughout it.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 26, 2019 17:51:38 GMT -5
I can’t agree with the notion that the prequels are better than the Disney movies. Shit’s subjective but it is hard considering the abysmal level of acting/directing throughout it. It never fails so astound me that George Lucas managed to get such woeful performances from his casts.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Aug 26, 2019 17:52:40 GMT -5
Shit’s subjective but it is hard considering the abysmal level of acting/directing throughout it. It never fails so astound me that George Lucas managed to get such woeful performances from his casts. You can be the best athlete but if your coach is completely obsessed with the look of the field and couldn’t give a less or a shit about your performance, there’s only so much you can do with your talent.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 26, 2019 18:00:07 GMT -5
It's no coincidence that every Star Wars movie that Lucas didn't direct had much better acting than every Star Wars movie Lucas did direct. Guy was an absolute visionary in terms of VFX and cinematography. But he couldn't direct actors to save his life. Also in terms of canon, Evil Rey isn't the first one to use a double-bladed lightsaber that folds at the middle either.
And the terrible CGI Grand Moff Tarkin Tarkin was an excellent piece of CGI trickery. The Leia... not so much.
I really liked the CGI Tarkin, too. It creeped me out, but it wasn't an uncanny valley feeling for me either.
The Leia one, I think I would've reacted to it better if Carrie Fisher didn't die a couple weeks after R1 came out. It was just really bad timing.
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