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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 3, 2019 22:26:17 GMT -5
I get her point honestly. The amount of toxicity I've read from Star Wars fans on YouTube is quite laughable and sickening. Constantly complaining about Rey, Finn, and Poe because in their eyes the idea of a strong woman lead infuriates them, for whatever reason honestly. I understand not liking the film. But reading the comments from them accusing Disney of promoting agendas, making racist, and sexist statements I can kind of see why she would get angry. My point is no one wants to be entertained anymore it seems like. Fans get upset that certain theories don't come to fruition and blame the filmmakers for not catering to their every whim. Simply stop having unrealistic expectations and see the film for yourself before making an accurate assessment. Yeah, I've said it many times before, but I didn't walk out of Last Jedi feeling great about it, and retroactively I kind of looked back on Force Awakens with that feeling of "this really was mostly just a nostalgia trip, wasn't it?" Didn't hate either movie, but just didn't really feel much about them, period...which is better than what I felt for the prequels, mind you, but still, I'm left feeling little anticipation for Episode IX because it feels like they went into this saying "we need it to be three movies long, but we can think of a story on the fly." And yet I'd go online and see the types of complaints people were making about it and just drop my jaw in shock: the types of complaints ranging from the mind numbingly nit-picky, to the petty ("WHY ISN'T LUKE THE WAY I IMAGINED HE'D BE?!?"...dunno, junior, maybe it's because you didn't make the movie), to the outright disgusting, hateful, and even conspiracy theory-minded garbage that the YouTube algorithm keeps insisting on throwing into my suggested videos sidebar if I so much as watch a single fifteen second clip from Empire Strikes Back on there. Made me feel gross about the kind of of company I'd be keeping if I went into certain corners of the net and said I didn't like the film, because good GOD I wouldn't want to be associated with that stuff. Frankly, if the actors have some not-so-great things to say about that part of the experience, I'm fine with it. Lest we forget, from the SECOND Finn's head pops up in the first TFA teaser you had a bunch of assholes out there screaming "WAT, NO, CAN'T BE A BLACK STORMTROOPER, NO NO BAD". Since then we've had two actresses hounded across social media for daring to get hired for work in a profitable film, and a cesspool of bitter or entitled sounding "fans" out there turning the discourse around the films into toxic sludge...I wouldn't blame anyone for being done with it all, especially one of said actresses who got hounded on social media. Obviously, and thankfully, this isn't the bulk of Star Wars fans, but as per usual in the world of pop culture fandom the biggest schmucks get the loudest megaphones.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 3, 2019 22:30:21 GMT -5
The schmucks get the loudest megaphones because they are amplified by studios who find it useful to portray them as representative of the wider fanbase, to distract from real criticism. This was made worse when official sites like StarWars.COM scrapped their moderated forums, and the discussions then transferred to cesspools like Facebook, Twitter and other online shitholes where they can be hijacked by the vermin of society.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 3, 2019 22:45:08 GMT -5
The schmucks get the loudest megaphones because they are amplified by studios who find it useful to portray them as representative of the wider fanbase, to distract from real criticism. Are they really though? Sony and Paul Feig leaned heavily into it on Ghostbusters, and Elizabeth Banks has trotted out a similar argument as to why Charlie's Angels (also a Sony production) has flopped. Beyond that? Marvel pretty much went with the "We can't hear you over all the money we're making" approach and LucasFilm have barely acknowledged them at all besides a few actors here and there making offhand comments like Ridley's a few posts up. The closest thing to directly addressing the schmucks was Rian Johnson saying something along the lines of "If you dislike my movie because it didn't work for you, that's okay, but if you dislike it because of the diversity of the cast then you can go f*** yourself."
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 3, 2019 23:05:46 GMT -5
The schmucks get the loudest megaphones because they are amplified by studios who find it useful to portray them as representative of the wider fanbase, to distract from real criticism. Are they really though? Sony and Paul Feig leaned heavily into it on Ghostbusters, and Elizabeth Banks has trotted out a similar argument as to why Charlie's Angels (also a Sony production) has flopped. Beyond that? Marvel pretty much went with the "We can't hear you over all the money we're making" approach and LucasFilm have barely acknowledged them at all besides a few actors here and there making offhand comments like Ridley's a few posts up. The closest thing to directly addressing the schmucks was Rian Johnson saying something along the lines of "If you dislike my movie because it didn't work for you, that's okay, but if you dislike it because of the diversity of the cast then you can go f*** yourself." Yeah, and it isn’t the studios going on YouTube and getting a bunch of nerd rage clickbait videos scaled up on the algorithm, they’re goddamn everywhere.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 3, 2019 23:16:32 GMT -5
Are they really though? Sony and Paul Feig leaned heavily into it on Ghostbusters, and Elizabeth Banks has trotted out a similar argument as to why Charlie's Angels (also a Sony production) has flopped. Beyond that? Marvel pretty much went with the "We can't hear you over all the money we're making" approach and LucasFilm have barely acknowledged them at all besides a few actors here and there making offhand comments like Ridley's a few posts up. The closest thing to directly addressing the schmucks was Rian Johnson saying something along the lines of "If you dislike my movie because it didn't work for you, that's okay, but if you dislike it because of the diversity of the cast then you can go f*** yourself." Yeah, and it isn’t the studios going on YouTube and getting a bunch of nerd rage clickbait videos scaled up on the algorithm, they’re goddamn everywhere. Exactly. As long as YouTube is paying out that sweet, sweet creator revenue these grifters are gonna flood the site with nerd rage clickbait every damn day, often playing both sides. Example:
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Post by Cyno on Dec 3, 2019 23:19:09 GMT -5
The Fandom Menace is a cancer on Star Wars fandom and sci-fi fandom in general.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 4, 2019 0:28:29 GMT -5
The schmucks get the loudest megaphones because they are amplified by studios who find it useful to portray them as representative of the wider fanbase, to distract from real criticism. Are they really though? Sony and Paul Feig leaned heavily into it on Ghostbusters, and Elizabeth Banks has trotted out a similar argument as to why Charlie's Angels (also a Sony production) has flopped. Beyond that? Marvel pretty much went with the "We can't hear you over all the money we're making" approach and LucasFilm have barely acknowledged them at all besides a few actors here and there making offhand comments like Ridley's a few posts up. The closest thing to directly addressing the schmucks was Rian Johnson saying something along the lines of "If you dislike my movie because it didn't work for you, that's okay, but if you dislike it because of the diversity of the cast then you can go f*** yourself." They do it through their media outlet shills, who do softball interviews with them and almost always raise the bigoted idiots as the example of criticism. Johnson's responses have ranged from reasonable acceptance of differing opinions to outright petulance. As for the "Fandom Menace" channels, they vary. Some are just ignorant twats, while others have legitimate critiques.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 4, 2019 0:42:03 GMT -5
According to rumours Snoke's backstory is addressed in the movie. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Cylo from the first Darth Vader comic run of the Disney canon was a somewhat similar case. He'd get killed but, that would somehow provoke his lab to spit out another copy of him.
Sounds like this is a case where Palpatine might have used some of Plagueis' knowledge to do that on a greater level. Cylo only had a handful of copies.
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Post by prettynami on Dec 4, 2019 0:52:00 GMT -5
I like Daisy, Oscar, and John as the new trio. I just wish they had more time together on-screen besides whatever's in TROS. Poe and Finn had great chemistry together in TFA, as did Finn and Rey. And then nothing in TLJ as they all went different paths. They did the worse to Finn in my opinion then just split him up from the other fun members of the Trio. They basically undid his character growth from the previous movie just so they could redo it with Rose (Whose character has an interesting backstory, specially in relation to Finn, and they just didn't really touch on it at all like they didn't care about those two characters as any more than an after thought). And Finn was sorta the straw that stirred the drink when it came to character interplay in the first of the sequel trilogy.
I'm hoping ... HOPING that the new movie lets these actors and characters interact cause those were the best parts of the Force Awakens, but I am afraid seeing how many locations there are that this movie will either be dreadfully long or jump around too much for any scenes to breath or really be acted out in anyway other than action set pieces. But, you never know. It just seems like this movie has an awful lot to condense to wrap everything up, and that might leave the non Rey/Kylo characters left sitting on the sidelines. *crosses fingers that this isn't the case*
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Dec 4, 2019 6:50:54 GMT -5
Yeah, and it isn’t the studios going on YouTube and getting a bunch of nerd rage clickbait videos scaled up on the algorithm, they’re goddamn everywhere. Exactly. As long as YouTube is paying out that sweet, sweet creator revenue these grifters are gonna flood the site with nerd rage clickbait every damn day, often playing both sides. Example: I see those videos pop up all the time and I ignore the sad washed up comic artist he's become
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Post by thechase on Dec 4, 2019 7:00:29 GMT -5
Ethan's a pussy cat compared to Bowlestrek.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 4, 2019 12:59:24 GMT -5
New rumors from MSW about Trevorrows version. Gonna spoil it, just to be on the safe side cause it involves “that versions backstory of Rey”. {Spoiler}”Leia’s servant was Rey’s mother In the unmade Trevorrow/Connolly Star Wars: Episode IX story, Rey had a rather interesting backstory. No, she wasn’t a Solo or a Skywalker. Rey was going to be the daughter of a woman who was a cook, housemaid, and once nanny to Ben Solo. Rey and Ben were to have grown up together and she was like his little sister, living in the Solo household together.” “The end of Colin Trevorrow’s Star Wars: Episode IX was going to take place in a rather interesting place. The end duel was not in some classic location or some badass new world. Colin Trevorrow’s Star Wars: Episode IX had the duel take place inside the Solo family home. Ben was redeemed amongst family memories and he saved Rey from her injuries in their fight in that moment.” No Palps as Colin has mentioned. Lando, yes. Leia would of died, gotten a lightsaber. FO was doing “manchurian candidate” mind wiping stuff, red stormtroopers but weren’t called “sithtroopers”, no romance between Kylo/Rey seeing as they were sorta siblings, plot was him trying to make her evil, her make him good. makingstarwars.net/2019/12/exclusive-reys-backstory-from-collin-trevorrows-star-wars-episode-ix/
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 4, 2019 13:32:31 GMT -5
Yeah, and it isn’t the studios going on YouTube and getting a bunch of nerd rage clickbait videos scaled up on the algorithm, they’re goddamn everywhere. Exactly. As long as YouTube is paying out that sweet, sweet creator revenue these grifters are gonna flood the site with nerd rage clickbait every damn day, often playing both sides. Example: Exactly. These are the types of videos I've been seeing on YouTube. I upload my film reviews via my YouTube channel and there are quite a few channels that I am subscribed too. One in particular(who I won't name) uploads the same clickbait angry titles regarding Star Wars. Usually it's in the vein of "STAR WARS TEST SCREENING HORRIBLE!", "KATHLEEN KENNEDY ON HER WAY OUT!", "MARK HAMMIL AND ANTHONY DANIELS DISAPPOINTED WITH RISE OF SKYWALKER!", "RISE OF SKYWALKER FLOPPING DUE TO WOKENESS!". Reading through the comment section I find myself shaking my head. It's horrible at some of the venom, sexist, and racist statements that I've come across on that realm of the Internet. Another thing I noticed is posts that are more along the lines of being neutral, making a positive statement, or pointing out the obvious that normally a JJ Abrams production doesn't have leaks of this magnitude. Those posts are generally ignored and the ones parroting the hateful visualization against women are upvoted into triple digits. I know I've done my fair share of complaining and whining about the WWE product in the past. However, I don't spend all of my time recording rants attempting to get others to join my cause. Bottom line is the ones complaining or threatening not to watch will be there opening night anyways, who do they think they're fooling?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 4, 2019 16:06:24 GMT -5
New rumors from MSW about Trevorrows version. Gonna spoil it, just to be on the safe side cause it involves “that versions backstory of Rey”. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}”Leia’s servant was Rey’s mother In the unmade Trevorrow/Connolly Star Wars: Episode IX story, Rey had a rather interesting backstory. No, she wasn’t a Solo or a Skywalker. Rey was going to be the daughter of a woman who was a cook, housemaid, and once nanny to Ben Solo. Rey and Ben were to have grown up together and she was like his little sister, living in the Solo household together.” “The end of Colin Trevorrow’s Star Wars: Episode IX was going to take place in a rather interesting place. The end duel was not in some classic location or some badass new world. Colin Trevorrow’s Star Wars: Episode IX had the duel take place inside the Solo family home. Ben was redeemed amongst family memories and he saved Rey from her injuries in their fight in that moment.” No Palps as Colin has mentioned. Lando, yes. Leia would of died, gotten a lightsaber. FO was doing “manchurian candidate” mind wiping stuff, red stormtroopers but weren’t called “sithtroopers”, no romance between Kylo/Rey seeing as they were sorta siblings, plot was him trying to make her evil, her make him good. makingstarwars.net/2019/12/exclusive-reys-backstory-from-collin-trevorrows-star-wars-episode-ix/ I understand why he got fired now.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 4, 2019 19:19:30 GMT -5
New rumors from MSW about Trevorrows version. Gonna spoil it, just to be on the safe side cause it involves “that versions backstory of Rey”. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}”Leia’s servant was Rey’s mother In the unmade Trevorrow/Connolly Star Wars: Episode IX story, Rey had a rather interesting backstory. No, she wasn’t a Solo or a Skywalker. Rey was going to be the daughter of a woman who was a cook, housemaid, and once nanny to Ben Solo. Rey and Ben were to have grown up together and she was like his little sister, living in the Solo household together.” “The end of Colin Trevorrow’s Star Wars: Episode IX was going to take place in a rather interesting place. The end duel was not in some classic location or some badass new world. Colin Trevorrow’s Star Wars: Episode IX had the duel take place inside the Solo family home. Ben was redeemed amongst family memories and he saved Rey from her injuries in their fight in that moment.” No Palps as Colin has mentioned. Lando, yes. Leia would of died, gotten a lightsaber. FO was doing “manchurian candidate” mind wiping stuff, red stormtroopers but weren’t called “sithtroopers”, no romance between Kylo/Rey seeing as they were sorta siblings, plot was him trying to make her evil, her make him good. makingstarwars.net/2019/12/exclusive-reys-backstory-from-collin-trevorrows-star-wars-episode-ix/ I understand why he got fired now. Lol.. I like some of it. Especially compared to what it sounds we’re getting. But I prefer JJ as a director waaaaay more, so... we’ll see.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Dec 4, 2019 19:19:39 GMT -5
The Fandom Menace is a cancer on Star Wars fandom and sci-fi fandom in general. No lie, the first time I heard the term "Fandom Menace", I thought someone was making a bad joke. It's an incredibly lame name, referencing an incredibly bad movie yet some weirdos wear it like a badge of honor.
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Post by adamclark52 on Dec 4, 2019 20:45:40 GMT -5
New rumors from MSW about Trevorrows version. Gonna spoil it, just to be on the safe side cause it involves “that versions backstory of Rey”. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}”Leia’s servant was Rey’s mother In the unmade Trevorrow/Connolly Star Wars: Episode IX story, Rey had a rather interesting backstory. No, she wasn’t a Solo or a Skywalker. Rey was going to be the daughter of a woman who was a cook, housemaid, and once nanny to Ben Solo. Rey and Ben were to have grown up together and she was like his little sister, living in the Solo household together.” “The end of Colin Trevorrow’s Star Wars: Episode IX was going to take place in a rather interesting place. The end duel was not in some classic location or some badass new world. Colin Trevorrow’s Star Wars: Episode IX had the duel take place inside the Solo family home. Ben was redeemed amongst family memories and he saved Rey from her injuries in their fight in that moment.” No Palps as Colin has mentioned. Lando, yes. Leia would of died, gotten a lightsaber. FO was doing “manchurian candidate” mind wiping stuff, red stormtroopers but weren’t called “sithtroopers”, no romance between Kylo/Rey seeing as they were sorta siblings, plot was him trying to make her evil, her make him good. makingstarwars.net/2019/12/exclusive-reys-backstory-from-collin-trevorrows-star-wars-episode-ix/ That’s too enjoyable
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 20:57:00 GMT -5
Gonna add some much needed levity to this thread.
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Post by thechase on Dec 5, 2019 6:02:47 GMT -5
Latest tv spot appears to confirm something from the leaks {Spoiler}The Wayfinder Dagger
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 8:30:17 GMT -5
New rumors from MSW about Trevorrows version. Gonna spoil it, just to be on the safe side cause it involves “that versions backstory of Rey”. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}”Leia’s servant was Rey’s mother In the unmade Trevorrow/Connolly Star Wars: Episode IX story, Rey had a rather interesting backstory. No, she wasn’t a Solo or a Skywalker. Rey was going to be the daughter of a woman who was a cook, housemaid, and once nanny to Ben Solo. Rey and Ben were to have grown up together and she was like his little sister, living in the Solo household together.” “The end of Colin Trevorrow’s Star Wars: Episode IX was going to take place in a rather interesting place. The end duel was not in some classic location or some badass new world. Colin Trevorrow’s Star Wars: Episode IX had the duel take place inside the Solo family home. Ben was redeemed amongst family memories and he saved Rey from her injuries in their fight in that moment.” No Palps as Colin has mentioned. Lando, yes. Leia would of died, gotten a lightsaber. FO was doing “manchurian candidate” mind wiping stuff, red stormtroopers but weren’t called “sithtroopers”, no romance between Kylo/Rey seeing as they were sorta siblings, plot was him trying to make her evil, her make him good. makingstarwars.net/2019/12/exclusive-reys-backstory-from-collin-trevorrows-star-wars-episode-ix/ I understand why he got fired now. Yeah, that.........that's just terrible.
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